[QUOTE=Vasili;20481421]Example for what? Why other countries that do not have clear European cultural heritage or are not near Europe cannot join? [/QUOTE]
Yes please, a candidate refused entry on cultural grounds? I know for a fact there weren't any, some on geographic grounds, which is understandable considering your criticism of unions.
Treaty on European Union, Article 6, 49;
[URL]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/en/treaties/dat/12002M/htm/C_2002325EN.000501.html#anArt6[/URL]
The countries not permitted to join on geographic grounds (off the european continent) are also permitted membership to the European Neighbourhood initiative, for closer global economic integration.
Anyone wanna join me in taking out this mother fucker!? seriously if gordon brown boots him the fuck out then i will actually vote labour in the election.
[QUOTE=Athelus;20481485]Yes please, a candidate refused entry on cultural grounds? I know for a fact there weren't any, some on geographic grounds, which is understandable considering your criticism of unions.
Treaty on European Union, Article 6, 49;
[URL]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/en/treaties/dat/12002M/htm/C_2002325EN.000501.html#anArt6[/URL]
The countries not permitted to join on geographic grounds (off the european continent) are also permitted membership to the European Neighbourhood initiative, for closer global economic integration.[/QUOTE]
[quote]It must be a "European State"
It must respect the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law. To gain membership it must:
Meet the following Copenhagen criteria established by the European Council in 1993.[/quote][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union[/URL]
European state could mean a few things, but its clearly suggesting something that clearly looks European, as I said; it is a little club of ours.
[QUOTE=Vasili;20482036][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union[/URL]
European state could mean a few things, but its clearly suggesting something that clearly looks European, as I said; it is a little club of ours.[/QUOTE]
As in on the European Continent (definition of 'European State' in the Treaty of Rome). The EU is intended to be a regional economic partnership, not a one world government.
Also- are you really saying Greece, Slovakia and Spain are culturally the same?
[QUOTE=he-did-it-->;20460277]Fuck you pounds are awesome
[IMG]http://coins.coinupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/new-uk-coins.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Holy shit that's awesome!
But I use the $
[QUOTE=Athelus;20482068]As in on the European Continent (definition of 'European State' in the Treaty of Rome). The EU is intended to be a regional economic partnership, not a one world government.[/QUOTE]
Though it is not really a economic partnership is it anymore? Its more than that, it is more or less like a united states, or rather its slowly becoming that. The EU went from economic and trading alliance too a short of state system.
[QUOTE=Vasili;20482152]Though it is not really a economic partnership is it anymore? Its more than that, it is more or less like a united states, or rather its slowly becoming that. The EU went from economic and trading alliance too a short of state system.[/QUOTE]
The vast majority of European Legislation (actually employed at a state level) is based on the single market and the removal of trade barriers.
European social and environmental policy is nescessary to ensure that workers rights and respect for the environment do not suffer as a result of inter-state competion, and are thus nescessary to mantain each state as an equal in a Pareto efficient union.
The EU lacks key aspects of a state system- a coherent joint foreign policy and joint security policy.
Even the majority of laws are not shared between each member state, meaning that Max Webers definition of the sovereign state as an entity with a 'monopoly on violence' within its territory would not hold true here.
Not only that, but, but Article 6 (3) of the treaty on European Union states that [I]"The Union shall respect the national identities of its Member States"[/I], a concept further upheld by the Lisbon Treaty which grants all Member States the right to withdraw from the European Union, whilst being able to mantain their economic ties with the EU.
All of these aspects show a distinct difference from a Sovereign State or US federal model.
But back on subject- the UK would be foolhardy to join the Euro until we've seen how the EU's treatment of the Greece situation pans out.
[QUOTE=David29;20477848]Heh, you think the pound is failing.[/QUOTE]
Are you dumb?
At one point is was almost equal to the euro.
[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;20483197]Are you dumb?
At one point is was almost equal to the euro.[/QUOTE]
"At one point"
"Almost"
Yeah, it's failing alright.
[QUOTE=David29;20483976]"At one point"
"Almost"
Yeah, it's failing alright.[/QUOTE]
It hasn't got any better.
Go serve your British patriotism elsewhere, because your views are not correct nor smart.
[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;20484048]It hasn't got any better.
Go serve your British patriotism elsewhere, because your views are not correct nor smart.[/QUOTE]
No, I am fine here thank you.
Besides, you have no room to say anything about my views when you consider something that hasn't got better to be failing. They are two completely different things.
[QUOTE=David29;20484403]No, I am fine here thank you.
Besides, you have no room to say anything about my views when you consider something that hasn't got better to be failing. They are two completely different things.[/QUOTE]
Give a valid reason to why Britain should keep the pound?
[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;20484430]Give a valid reason to why Britain should keep the pound?[/QUOTE]
Can't be arsed to type it all up again for you. Go back and read the thread.
I'm off to bed.
[QUOTE=David29;20483976]"At one point"
"Almost"
Yeah, it's failing alright.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it has only been going down steadily a mere 40% in the past 10 years, it's nothing right.
I don't mind the EU, as long as they STAY AWAY FROM MY MONEY.
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[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;20484430]Give a valid reason to why Britain should keep the pound?[/QUOTE]
Because the majority of British people want to keep it?
[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;20484430]Give a valid reason to why Britain should keep the pound?[/QUOTE]
Disregarding the bullshit from David, the reasons are:
A. It's ours
B. Fuck the EU
C. Why the fuck not
[QUOTE=dvondrake;20456267]What exactly are these various trade reasons?[/QUOTE]
If trade isn't going well, they can devalue the currency, essentially making export better but making everything from abroad (that is your precious steam games and computer parts) more expensive to the people. And vice versa, but then again, when is export doing [B]too[/B] well?
Euro pros and cons from someone who is very pro european.
Pros:
Better international consumer trade- can buy cheaper products online from other European countries without an exchange rate. Combined with europe-wide consumer protection, if you buy much online from europe, you stand to save a bundle.
Easier holiday/business trips to the continent- no need to change currency.
Potentially stonger due to larger representative market- Eurozone less affected by recession than the majority of the western economic systems. (note: potentially. no economic forecast can actually predict the future outcome of events)
Cons:
Difficult to regulate, must discuss among multiple countries. (serious problem, if the currency begins to collapse, nothing anyone can do about it)
Initial consumer goods price hikes- all shops would round up prices to a better sounding number (happened in Ireland, France etc.)
There are other things I can't remember off the top of my head, but those should give you an idea of real factors in why britain should or should not join the euro. ('It's foreign' is a poor reason, but joining the euro is still not without problems)
[QUOTE=Athelus;20492172]
Difficult to regulate, must discuss among multiple countries. (serious problem, if the currency begins to collapse, nothing anyone can do about it)[/QUOTE]
I doubt that if the currency begins to collapse, everybody would just happily see through.
Besides sterling is freely floating currency too, so same problem.
[QUOTE=Taggart;20490365]Disregarding the bullshit from David, the reasons are:
A. It's ours
B. Fuck the EU
C. Why the fuck not[/QUOTE]
I laughed at the irony.
[QUOTE=evilking1;20492381]I doubt that if the currency begins to collapse, everybody would just happily see through.
Besides sterling is freely floating currency too, so same problem.[/QUOTE]
The Bank of England can set interest rates, the European Central Bank is forbidden from doing this according to the Single European Act.
Also- look at the ECB handling of the greek economic deficit, the inability to set interest rates was a problem.
[QUOTE=evilking1;20479361]Give me a reason why euro is somehow more prone to crashing than sterling?
[editline]09:13PM[/editline]
Actually it has went from 0.60p to 0.89p, that's quite a lot.[/QUOTE]
It rose drastically during the Credit Crunch, because the pound is the currency of The City. In case you hadn't noticed, over the past year the trend is for it to lose value.
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[QUOTE=Source;20481778]Anyone wanna join me in taking out this mother fucker!? seriously if gordon brown boots him the fuck out then i will actually vote labour in the election.[/QUOTE]
Are you even old enough to vote?
[QUOTE=Source;20481778]Anyone wanna join me in taking out this mother fucker!?[/QUOTE]
sure, i was thinking a classy restaurant (not too classy though) some midrange wine and maybe fish?
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