Windows 10 Anniversary Update stops Pro users from disabling annoying features and blocking ads - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Alice3173;50792506]People have had issues with Ubuntu and privacy as well in the past. If you're set on trying Ubuntu though you should consider one of the Ubuntu-based alternatives. I don't know about the ones that are named similarly to Ubuntu (Xubuntu and I think there's one called Kubuntu or something like that, for example) but Mint is Ubuntu-based and respects your privacy a lot better. Though I can't speak for how well it would perform when installed outside a virtual machine. Mint has some lag issues for me in VirtualBox at times (especially when scrolling through folders with a bunch of files) but that could possibly be from it running in a virtual machine rather than being an issue with mint itself. There's also ones like Fedora which TheJoker mentioned earlier and Debian which are supposed to be pretty decent and user-friendly distros as well which you might consider giving a try.[/QUOTE] I'd definitely recommend Mint as a starter distro, or straight up Debian if you're ok with going in a bit deeper right away. For some reason I still feel like Fedora is a joke distro, even though I know it isn't and I've never really tried it. (Also Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. are just Ubuntu with a different stock desktop environment)

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[QUOTE=RB33;50792529]Why does Microsoft feel the need to act like idiots? Just make a competent operating system without bullshit, please.[/QUOTE] Because power users like us are very much in the minority of computer users, and regular users pretty much really do need a nanny to keep their computers secure. Unfortunately this is probably the future of Windows no matter how much we complain. The real question is why Windows doesn't have an option to turn the ID10T switch off

I'm still on 7 and am glad I don't have to experience any Windows 10-related cockery.

[QUOTE=TestECull;50792462]Cortana, for one. You may like it I don't know, I for one don't want a fucking animated search applet running on my desktop. Ever. Much less 24/7. If I need to search for something I will seek out the appropriate engine, I don't want it sitting there wasting resources. And then there's all the notifications and shit they're pushing for [i]their[/i] apps. Here's a huge one: [b]the fucking ads it displays.[/b] I don't even use 10 and I can name three things that annoy me just by simply existing. There's no way in hell I'd be using the anniversary update if I was on 10. Thankfully my copy of 7 is still running strong.[/QUOTE] You can hide cortana by right clicking the taskbar. It barely uses any resources while hidden. [t]http://i.imgur.com/X5Hgb5k.jpg[/t] I also explained how avoid ads without the need of the policy editor above.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;50792502]Probably not paying for anything since I'm guessing most people are upgrading to Win 10 for free. Besides if they do pay, they're paying for Windows 10, not for the ability to disable certain features.[/QUOTE] I paid for Windows 10 :v: [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Darkwater124;50792539]I'd definitely recommend Mint as a starter distro, or straight up Debian if you're ok with going in a bit deeper right away. For some reason I still feel like Fedora is a joke distro, even though I know it isn't and I've never really tried it. (Also Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. are just Ubuntu with a different stock desktop environment)[/QUOTE] Mint is probably the best distro for general use.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50792560]Because power users like us are very much in the minority of computer users, and regular users pretty much really do need a nanny to keep their computers secure. Unfortunately this is probably the future of Windows no matter how much we complain. The real question is why Windows doesn't have an option to turn the ID10T switch off[/QUOTE] If they really need a nanny to keep their computers secure they probably shouldn't be using computers until they've gone through some sort of training with them. It's really not exactly like it's difficult to learn basic computer use. I mean really just adhering to "if you don't know what it does then don't fuck with it" is all you even need to know. if you can do that much then you're far less likely to screw something up. I wouldn't care a lot either way though if Microsoft kept going out of their way to try to make this stuff impossible so even power users can't do it though. That's the real issue here. If some computer illiterate idiot follows directions for something and screws something up then they really have nobody to blame but themselves. Who cares if they try to blame Microsoft for it? That's no excuse to prevent everyone, including those who actually know what the hell they're doing, from doing something. [QUOTE]The real question is why Windows doesn't have an option to turn the ID10T switch off[/QUOTE] This would be a perfect example actually. Have everything Microsoft doesn't want your average user messing with locked up behind some option. If you try to enable the option then I dunno, have some short and concise warning stating "if you enable this option you WILL mess your computer up" or something and asking if they want to continue. Then anyone who still screws shit up will have no valid excuse to blame Microsoft while power users can still mess around with stuff.

Did they forget that the P in PC stands for "Personal"? I guess Microsoft wasn't hit with enough lawsuits yet.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;50792506]People have had issues with Ubuntu and privacy as well in the past. If you're set on trying Ubuntu though you should consider one of the Ubuntu-based alternatives. I don't know about the ones that are named similarly to Ubuntu (Xubuntu and I think there's one called Kubuntu or something like that, for example) but Mint is Ubuntu-based and respects your privacy a lot better. Though I can't speak for how well it would perform when installed outside a virtual machine. Mint has some lag issues for me in VirtualBox at times (especially when scrolling through folders with a bunch of files) but that could possibly be from it running in a virtual machine rather than being an issue with mint itself. There's also ones like Fedora which TheJoker mentioned earlier and Debian which are supposed to be pretty decent and user-friendly distros as well which you might consider giving a try.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994"]Yeah I'd still recommend staying away from mint.[/URL] [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Darkwater124;50792539]I'd definitely recommend Mint as a starter distro, or straight up Debian if you're ok with going in a bit deeper right away. For some reason I still feel like Fedora is a joke distro, even though I know it isn't and I've never really tried it. (Also Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. are just Ubuntu with a different stock desktop environment)[/QUOTE] Fedora is the best distro.

[QUOTE=Levelog;50792726][URL="http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994"]Yeah I'd still recommend staying away from mint.[/URL][/QUOTE] As long as you're careful about your download it should be fine though. Oddly enough that happened very shortly (like 4-5 days) after I first downloaded it myself.

[QUOTE=Levelog;50792726][URL="http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994"]Yeah I'd still recommend staying away from mint.[/URL] [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] Fedora is the best distro.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/"]Didn't even post the best reasons to stay away from mint[/URL] Personally I haven't been affected by these issues but since trying other DE/WM's cinnamon feels really lackluster.

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;50792467]It's obvious that Microsoft wants to turn Windows into software that works how they want it to. I hope this gives more users reason to use, and more developers to support, Linux.[/QUOTE] i doubt it. it would probably be more likely for people to use an older windows because of this. windows is too widespread for people to ignore. almost a monopoly in some ways.

[QUOTE=thatbooisaspy;50792792][URL="https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/"]Didn't even post the best reasons to stay away from mint[/URL] Personally I haven't been affected by these issues but since trying other DE/WM's cinnamon feels really lackluster.[/QUOTE] This is a much better argument against using Mint. I wasn't aware of this. Though, currently, since I use Mint in a virtual machine and don't do anything where security would be an issue it's not a concern for me yet but it's definitely a strong argument against using it as a dedicated OS outside a virtual machine.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;50792888]This is a much better argument against using Mint. I wasn't aware of this. Though, currently, since I use Mint in a virtual machine and don't do anything where security would be an issue it's not a concern for me yet but it's definitely a strong argument against using it as a dedicated OS outside a virtual machine.[/QUOTE] Never was a fan of mint personally since they just patch upstream sources from Ubuntu. Would rather see cinnamon UI developed separately from the base OS which is Ubuntu LTS for what its worth. Common issue in Linux community is massive duplication of effort, and kinda/sorta OS derivatives like mint that still take a lot of patching to release their custom UI onto would be better served making just the UI and not rolling their own distro every year. Just my opinion though. That being said sometimes I always feel like the person in these threads that has never found issue with personalizing windows 10 to my liking, or disabling whatever I feel like. It really just isn't that big of a deal. I find 10 more usable, faster, and overall better in general than any MS operating system before it. No ads (disabled suggested apps with a single right click) and adjusted privacy to my liking, all took about 1 minute after install. Windows users have some leeway in using older versions, primarily because companies allow people to use 7 year old OS like windows 7 through extended software support. I for one cannot go back to 7, so much worse on a technical level. Reminds me of using a 7 year old linux distro, all the flaws that got fixed or improved over the years stand out like crazy.

Well this is complete dogshit, but what the hell can I do? I need to use windows.

[QUOTE=Glaber;50792681]Did they forget that the P in PC stands for "Personal"? I guess Microsoft wasn't hit with enough lawsuits yet.[/QUOTE] lmfao what would they possibly be sued for in this context

[QUOTE=ghost901;50792380]you won't get them if you don't use the stock start menu or disable tiles. [IMG]http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclubco.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uninstall-get-office.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I uninstalled that and I still got notifications for them. Clicked on them, only to get redirected to the Microsoft app store to download the Get Started app..

The article is pretty particular about it only being group policy - is the actual setting in the Settings app (you know, where most normal human beings would go to change stuff) affected? I won't applaud a change that gives the user less control, but if it really is only the Group Policy that is affected, that title isn't just hyperbole, it's an outright lie.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50794867]The article is pretty particular about it only being group policy - is the actual setting in the Settings app (you know, where most normal human beings would go to change stuff) affected? [/QUOTE] Some of the settings which you can change through group policy and which will be disabled in anniversary update could not be changed anywhere else.

[QUOTE=Glaber;50792681]Did they forget that the P in PC stands for "Personal"? I guess Microsoft wasn't hit with enough lawsuits yet.[/QUOTE] Realistically, I'm pretty sure Microsoft did everything "legally" and had their lawyers work out what they can and can't do with Windows 10. They probably worked it out in the EULA or whatever and planned for something like this and done it as legally as possible.

[QUOTE=Megalan;50794886]Some of the settings which you can change through group policy and which will be disabled in anniversary update could not be changed anywhere else.[/QUOTE] Which do these include? Unless they changed the settings as well, Tips can be deactivated, as can the app recommendations. "Windows consumer experience" includes stuff like Candy Crush as well, but I'm assuming that it will only install crap apps when you install Windows 10, and not on the fly. Of course those could probably be subject to change, and that's why I'm definitely against this. But unless I'm missing something, it should still be possible to block all ads?

[QUOTE=Alice3173;50792635]If they really need a nanny to keep their computers secure they probably shouldn't be using computers until they've gone through some sort of training with them. It's really not exactly like it's difficult to learn basic computer use. I mean really just adhering to "if you don't know what it does then don't fuck with it" is all you even need to know. if you can do that much then you're far less likely to screw something up. I wouldn't care a lot either way though if Microsoft kept going out of their way to try to make this stuff impossible so even power users can't do it though. That's the real issue here. If some computer illiterate idiot follows directions for something and screws something up then they really have nobody to blame but themselves. Who cares if they try to blame Microsoft for it? That's no excuse to prevent everyone, including those who actually know what the hell they're doing, from doing something. This would be a perfect example actually. Have everything Microsoft doesn't want your average user messing with locked up behind some option. If you try to enable the option then I dunno, have some short and concise warning stating "if you enable this option you WILL mess your computer up" or something and asking if they want to continue. Then anyone who still screws shit up will have no valid excuse to blame Microsoft while power users can still mess around with stuff.[/QUOTE] some training with computer use is not going to be an equivalent of any sort to you sitting in front of the pc for 10 years tinkering with it

I was intending to upgrade to 10 in the distant future since I did not want to risk breaking anything now but I might not even ever upgrade at all because of this shit, unless they want to completely retract all the bullshit. I REALLY want to fully move over to Linux, at least by the time 8.1 support completely ends, but unfortunately there is lots of software I use that only works on Windows. ...We Mac now? :vs:

Looks like enterprise is the only Win10 worth having. I did the upgrade, I think it's better than 8.1, it performs better than 7, but I've only been using it for a week.

If MS has proven anything about themselves with Win10, it's that, at least at some level, they're listening to users and making changes based on what they hear. I'm sure some little marketing major with experience in OS design has a hand in this move, and I'm sure that enough people complaining about it will at least make MS consider changing things around. They in all likelihood have a long-term roadmap about how to actually monetize Win10 after having given it away to so many, so there's going to have to be a compromise somewhere on the user's part.

For anyone that doesn't want this update in win 10. Open your local security policy (gpedit.msc in search will bring up the tool, or you can use mmc and add the policy editor snap in.) Under computer configuration, go to administrative templates->windows components->windows update->configure automatic updates. Switch the automatic updates to do not download or notify but do not download.

[QUOTE=MrWhite;50795345]If MS has proven anything about themselves with Win10, it's that, at least at some level, they're listening to users and making changes based on what they hear. I'm sure some little marketing major with experience in OS design has a hand in this move, and I'm sure that enough people complaining about it will at least make MS consider changing things around. They in all likelihood have a long-term roadmap about how to actually monetize Win10 after having given it away to so many, so there's going to have to be a compromise somewhere on the user's part.[/QUOTE] I think we're just getting the shaft because the vast majority of users don't know that this is bad. They're not IT guys who know how to get the most from their OS.

[QUOTE=Egevened;50794974]some training with computer use is not going to be an equivalent of any sort to you sitting in front of the pc for 10 years tinkering with it[/QUOTE] I never suggested otherwise? The point was that we shouldn't be nannying people who are computer illiterate. It's not difficult to teach people not to fuck with things unless they know what they're doing. Especially if the stuff that they shouldn't be messing with is hidden by an option that gives an unmissable warning stating they'll mess their computer up if they mess with it. [CODE]IF YOU ENABLE THIS OPTION YOU'LL MESS UP YOUR COMPUTER. CONTINUE CANCEL[/CODE] [CODE]ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE? YOU'LL REALLY MESS THINGS UP! NO YES[/CODE] Or something similar to that would be enough really. It doesn't really take that much to lock things up in a way that there's a clear warning but still allows power users to make use of this stuff. And if they miss that warning because they can't be assed reading a single sentence then it's really their own fault for fucking things up, no?

whats the best way to prevent my 8.1 from trying to force update to windows 10? Ive gotten so paranoid about ths recently.

Hopefully one day Microsoft releases Windows 10 that has option to remove everything you want without them ever again coming back like ya kno.. any other previous Windows. No editing in Regedit and shi- Just switch it off and done.