Visual Studio 11 Express will be able to create Metro apps only - Polidicks

I am not liking where Windows is heading It really seems like Microsoft wants to push forwards an app environment à la smartphone

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;36066885]I am not liking where Windows is heading It really seems like Microsoft wants to push forwards an app environment à la smartphone[/QUOTE] "Dumbed down" is a better way of explaining this. it's like iOS is coming to OSX in a hybrid. It's ridiculous.

[QUOTE=digigamer17;36065570]I'm finding the setup file for VS 2008 and my XP disk.[/QUOTE] "Oh no! Microsoft has announced that the next version of their free IDE will only develop apps for the next version of their OS! I'd better backdate my computer to 2001!!!"

[QUOTE=Lexic;36068903]"Oh no! Microsoft has announced that the next version of their free IDE will only develop apps for the next version of their OS! I'd better backdate my computer to 2001!!!"[/QUOTE] For the next version of their Start Menu*

[QUOTE=Lexic;36068903]"Oh no! Microsoft has announced that the next version of their free IDE will only develop apps for the next version of their OS! I'd better backdate my computer to 2001!!!"[/QUOTE] Maybe you didn't read the article right, because it clearly says that it doesn't allow you to develop normal Windows 8 programs. You can only use it to develop for Metro (Windows 8's tablet mode).

[QUOTE=Lexic;36068903]"Oh no! Microsoft has announced that the next version of their free IDE will only develop apps for the next version of their OS! I'd better backdate my computer to 2001!!!"[/QUOTE] Sure I may sound like that I am, but compatibility issues still remain on Windows 7, so I must either run it in Virtual Box with XP running to keep the old stuff alive. Besides, 3 of my other computers still have Windows XP Pro running and they're still speedy even though they're Core 2 Duos.

Absurdly few of you are going to switch to Linux so stop saying you will. No, Linux won't take over anything so stop jacking it to Penguin porn, so much shit has to be fixed/changed before it can become a mainstream OS, also don't expect it to ever be capable of competing with Windows unless it moves away from the free/opensource thing, because you need a massive investment to make a proper OS that the whole world will use. [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] That said, this is a shit idea, luckily someone else will step in to take MS's position if they don't want the desktop market (gradually and slowly, but so will MS's exit be as well).

The reason this news makes me sad is because MS seems to slowly move away from desktops. Not only do they give A LOT of attention to metro, they want demographics to switch. Making express do apps only for metro essentially says "We don't care about desktop, we want you to develop apps for metro"

[QUOTE=Robber;36069378]Maybe you didn't read the article right, because it clearly says that it doesn't allow you to develop normal Windows 8 programs. You can only use it to develop for Metro (Windows 8's tablet mode).[/QUOTE] As far as MS are concerned, Metro apps [i]are[/i] normal Windows 8 programs. Everything else is just backwards compatibility.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36069696]The reason this news makes me sad is because MS seems to slowly move away from desktops. Not only do they give A LOT of attention to metro, they want demographics to switch. Making express do apps only for metro essentially says "We don't care about desktop, we want you to develop apps for metro"[/QUOTE] They are hardly moving away from desktops. Stop being so sensationalist. Expanding to a different market doesn't mean they are going to totally ignore their existing one. The one that made them what they are. MS is a big enough company to handle itself on all four markets it currently has OSes for. Adding functionality to allow Windows to be used on a Tablet is not "moving away", it's expanding. If they started to actually drop support for Windows on desktop and laptop computers, then they would be moving away.

What's wrong with Windows 8 is that MS seems to think everyone is going to start using touch-based devices as their main computing utilities when in reality a lot of people still do things that can't be done simply with touch input - such as playing FPSes or pixel-precise image editing - and that for all these people touch input is simply going to be useless. [editline]24th May 2012[/editline] Touchscreens are nice and useful in phones and tablets but I don't want to have a touchscreen monitor. That would be incredibly impractical.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;36070164]They are hardly moving away from desktops. Stop being so sensationalist. Expanding to a different market doesn't mean they are going to totally ignore their existing one. The one that made them what they are. MS is a big enough company to handle itself on all four markets it currently has OSes for. Adding functionality to allow Windows to be used on a Tablet is not "moving away", it's expanding. If they started to actually drop support for Windows on desktop and laptop computers, then they would be moving away.[/QUOTE] I think he meant the traditional desktop as in the OS and not the physical desktop computer. From what I understand, Windows 8 is expanding to the tablet/mobile market, but more along the lines of forcing that market into the desktop market. It's going to be a fairly big change.

[QUOTE=Ithon;36060023]Microsoft has gone down hill sence 2001 when they adopted hiring people from India, which worked on vista and hid their errors for cultural reasons. Bugs were fixed and windows 7 got out, but the new method for development for win 8 is insane, this is just one public example. win 9 will fix those problems and win 10 I have no idea. Bill Gates was so right to want the company to split up.[/QUOTE] wat

[QUOTE=digigamer17;36067307]"Dumbed down" is a better way of explaining this. it's like iOS is coming to OSX in a hybrid. It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Absolutely agree, it reeks of dumbing everything down to the tablet/smartphone level. Mixed in with Microsoft's old trick of trying to force people into it like they did with Vista. Microsoft needs to figure out that not everyone is 60 years old and barely able to operate an iPhone. We're not throwing out our mouses and keyboards for touchscreens, and we're not going to stop modding and bootlegging and customizing and doing all the stuff we already do on 7. The entire technology industry is trending towards dumbed-down UIs and locked-down programming that prevents any customization or modification not explicitly endorsed by the company. It's like we're being dragged down to the lowest common denominator of computing users: The elderly woman who wants to check e-mail and look at jokes on the internet.

[QUOTE=Lexic;36069850]As far as MS are concerned, Metro apps [i]are[/i] normal Windows 8 programs. Everything else is just backwards compatibility.[/QUOTE] But they really aren't. They don't have half the features normal Windows has like non-maximized windows, multiscreen support, overlapping windows, resizing windows, good multitasking, etc. They are only useful for typical tablet/smartphone stuff like watching videos and surfing the web.

Windows got its name from its windows. It's what made it initially famous. Why the HELL would they move away from them? I want to be able to resale shit.

apple must be having a field day over this

[QUOTE=Robber;36082606]But they really aren't. They don't have half the features normal Windows has like non-maximized windows, multiscreen support, overlapping windows, resizing windows, good multitasking, etc. They are only useful for typical tablet/smartphone stuff like watching videos and surfing the web.[/QUOTE] The backend of every Metro app should be the same as any desktop app. So a Metro app is equivalent to a Desktop app in functionality if it actually has a good UI. You have to remember that Metro is not meant for every Desktop app, it works for the start screen because it can actually show more than the current menu. But every other Metro app is going to be built with mobile devices in mind. People will still be developing desktop apps, MS can't stop them. Companies have tried stopping people from stuff all the time, it never actually stops anyone does it?

I hope Microsoft releases a update to VS2010 to get .net 4.5

I skipped over Vista and I'll gladly do the same with Windows 8.