Watch_Dogs torrent secretly installing a Bitcoin miner on thousands of computers - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Explosions;44908336] Steam is DRM.[/QUOTE] Oh lets be fucking real here, as a form of DRM, Steam has to be one of the poorest measures one has to secure their game. I mean, shit, certain games can even be bought, downloaded, refunded and still played because there's no protection behind them. Steam doesn't stop or even delay people from cracking games at all. [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] It is super consumer friendly (unless you mention the word "refund" in which case it isn't), but as an actual security measure its rather piss poor.

steam is DRM for games that want it to be. otherwise it's just a distribution platform

Meh, I'm too lazy to pirate anymore. It's honestly so much easier to just go and buy a game on Steam. Plus I love the satisfaction of having my library grow legitimately. I mean of course some would argue about money but if you have ANY form of job at all you can afford games here and there at least.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44907531]I'm gonna have to agree with this. Stealing is stealing, I think that nobody should make any moral justifications.[/QUOTE] its technically not stealing still morally wrong and illegal but stealing isnt really the right term

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[QUOTE=TornadoAP;44908503]Yes but it a form of DRM that is consumer friendly, and doesn't hamper the user if they want to play a game. If you want, you can even play in an offline mode without the internet and you can still play that game (If it doesn't have it's own form of DRM that is). And, there's things that are good additions to the game such as achievements, trading, and depending on multiplayer even the option of joining up with your friends.[/QUOTE] not only that, but family sharing like really that shit takes the cake [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=spanaren;44908550]Oh lets be fucking real here, as a form of DRM, Steam has to be one of the poorest measures one has to secure their game. I mean, shit, certain games can even be bought, downloaded, refunded and still played because there's no protection behind them. Steam doesn't stop or even delay people from cracking games at all. [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] It is super consumer friendly (unless you mention the word "refund" in which case it isn't), but as an actual security measure its rather piss poor.[/QUOTE] pirating valve games apparently is hyper easy steam prevents this by trying to be better than piracy as an option, and imho it is so worth it.

What are your opinions on used games? It may seem more noble because you are paying money but that money doesn't reach the publisher or developer so isn't it as bad as pirating?

good thing i downloaded TPTB version hueheuheueheuuuhuh [sp]too bad I can't run it on a 32 bit comp [/sp] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("You won't banned for warez/leaks unless: •You openly declare or brag about it, last ban 2 days ago" - Orkel))[/highlight]

I'm just a video game addict, can't get enough video games by buying them I pirate shit on the 360 and PS3 and the Wii as well as the PC. I'm probably the worst pirate in a 50 mile radius, I'm a terrible person :v: On the upside I usually warn people about shit games when they leak early on the 360, no listened to me here about Colonial Marines though... [highlight](User was banned for this post ("You won't banned for warez/leaks unless: •You openly declare or brag about it" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44907787]You know the system requirements explicitly state the game doesn't support 32-bit systems, right?[/QUOTE] I'm not used to seeing that in games. Like I've seen certain programs bar features out but never seen a video game do it.

The uploader on tpb doesn't have a green skull, should of seen that coming. Better wait for Reloaded/Skidrow release.

[QUOTE=booster;44905393]Demo's would solve a lot of these problems. Too bad, for some reason, demo's became extinct. And now we can't benchmark new games.[/QUOTE] Demos became extinct because publishers realized they could lose a lot of sales by putting out demos for terrible games

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903233]Yeah fuck all those people for downloading stuff because they don't feel like paying 40+ bucks for a game that they won't even have a complete version of because of all the preorder bullshit And fuck poor people too[/QUOTE] I don't feel like paying for a house either, so I guess you should give me yours? [QUOTE=Pelican;44903294]I'd say it's a fairly legit reason, I won't continue with this because I don't know the limits to warez banning ^ poster above nailed it[/QUOTE] If you admit to it openly like "YEAH, I TORRENTED WATCH_DOGS YOU GOT A PROBLEM?" you're fucked, basically. [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Desuh;44909159]What are your opinions on used games? It may seem more noble because you are paying money but that money doesn't reach the publisher or developer so isn't it as bad as pirating?[/QUOTE] That's passing around copies of a game, not duplicating them yourself.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903266]LOL that's the dumbest excuse for pirating ever[/QUOTE] A lot of the pirate excuses are along monetary/poor people lines. Vaperware/Abadonware I'm fine with, but people who make this long list of excuses not to pay for a game are really really really big stretches from, "I don't have money/don't wanna pay for it".

[QUOTE=Nitrowing;44908137] - User is a saint-like entity who will actually go back and buy a legit copy once they finish enjoying a pirated one (I can't imagine this happening often, if ever - why ever pay for what you already own[/QUOTE] I know somebody who actually does this. He inspired me to just buy all of my shit regardless of price. I'm still waiting for that day I have the money to get Saints Row IV, even though people say it's horrible.

[QUOTE=Explosions;44908336]Steam is DRM.[/QUOTE] Steam itself is not DRM, but it does have DRM components. There are many games on Steam that don't use DRM at all.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;44909644]Steam itself is not DRM, but it does have DRM components. There are many games on Steam that don't use DRM at all.[/QUOTE] You can say the same about uPlay and GFWL. They're not DRM, but they have DRM components. It's nit picking.

DRM can be good and even enhance the experience.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903233]Yeah fuck all those people for downloading stuff because they don't feel like paying 40+ bucks for a game that they won't even have a complete version of because of all the preorder bullshit And fuck poor people too[/QUOTE] even at 40$ for the amount of hours and entertainment you get video games a fucking bargain.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;44909729]even at 40$ for the amount of hours and entertainment you get video games a fucking bargain.[/QUOTE] Exactly! As much hate as this game gets I really think that the no B.S. base game can provide more "fun hours" / $ than movies at $60. This is assuming 20-30 hours playtime - which I feel is true[citation needed]. It isn't the hype game people wanted it to be, it's just "decent" at what it does. As an example the first assassin's creed was more engaging for me (apples to apples attempt).

I rarely pirate a game anymore, because it's just bothersome when getting it on Steam is so convenient. And if I do pirate a game and like it, I'll buy it to support the developers. However, I have no delusions of doing it to get the moral high ground, because I'm not a pretentious idiot, nor do I particularly care about the legality of it. I'm not a cop.

I can't be bothered to pirate anymore. It's too much effort and I've got so many legit games that I've barely played yet. The older you get, the more convenient it is to just go legit. The last game I pirated was Bioshock: Infinite but I kind of regret it because it was a beautiful game and the creators fully deserved my money for it. On the flipside, if I hadn't pirated Half-Life 2, I've probably wouldn't have bought the Orange Box and subsequently spent 100 bucks on TF2 because I simply would have missed the experience. I don't blame people for pirating, but I'm trying to nudge them in the right direction. I usually ask my friends who pirate a lot to buy the games they enjoy to send the right message to the industry. Anyway, I've seen both sides of the issue and I don't think it's quite as black and white as some people make it to be. My only advice is to be more practical: nobody likes a sermon and I've seen better results from positive reinforcement.

[QUOTE=Nitrowing;44908137]- User is a saint-like entity who will actually go back and buy a legit copy once they finish enjoying a pirated one (I can't imagine this happening often, if ever - why ever pay for what you already own?)[/QUOTE] I know [B]someone[/B] that does that quite often. But nowadays it's just so much easier to simply acquire it through steam that it doesn't make that much sense.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903266]LOL that's the dumbest excuse for pirating ever[/QUOTE] It really isn't. 40+ bucks is a lot of money for many people.

The only reason I could see for pirating is when a game doesn't come with a demo to test if one's PC could run a game well. For example I have a GT 630m and Titanfall runs badly from time to time. Really I just wish developers/publishers would actually take the time to release a demo on PC so I don't have to spend 40+ dollars on something that I can't even get to 30fps with. Or at least Steam could have an actual refund option.

[QUOTE=J!NX;44907843]actually, it just makes shit worse because they will make more DRM and fuck us legitimate buyers over even more just get their games on sale or borrow them[/QUOTE] Except this is Ubisoft we are talking about. A majority of the population of earth could vanish and they'd STILL blame the loss of sales on piracy rather than admit not enough people are left alive for whatever game to be profitable.

[QUOTE=Whiplash~;44911093]It really isn't. 40+ bucks is a lot of money for many people.[/QUOTE] Sure, it is for me as well. I just kinda wait for it to be on sale, or else I just don't play it.

I think it might be fair to buy the game, one or two DLC, and then torrent the rest of the DLC if possible. DLC before the game even releases is stupid. These days DLC is usually something small like new weapons that should either be given free or incorporated with the original game. If it is a large set of new content for the game, then DLC you need to pay for is justifiable. Anything else just feels like a money grab.

[QUOTE=Desuh;44909159]What are your opinions on used games? It may seem more noble because you are paying money but that money doesn't reach the publisher or developer so isn't it as bad as pirating?[/QUOTE] that's giving someone a license. piracy is more along the lines of taking a license and making a fraudulent copy

i wonder how many are still running this bitminer on their computers? [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of perma'd user" - Orkel))[/highlight]