Watch_Dogs torrent secretly installing a Bitcoin miner on thousands of computers - Polidicks

Speaking of Pirates, I pirate to see if the game is any good. If its good, I'll buy it on Steam. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("You won't banned for warez/leaks unless: •You openly declare or brag about it" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Desuh;44909159]What are your opinions on used games? It may seem more noble because you are paying money but that money doesn't reach the publisher or developer so isn't it as bad as pirating?[/QUOTE] When you sell a used game it's still been bought and paid for, the company has gotten their money for that copy that is now out in the wild. It's a physical thing so they should have a right to resell it, digital copies are up for debate on that subject, I personally think it should be up to the company to allow it or not for digital copies, but all physical copies should be allowed to be resold. Pirating a game is making an unauthorized copy, selling a used game is just selling something you already own. The two don't compare.

"SKIDROWCRACK" is a fake release group that puts out things like this all the time in hopes of tricking people into thinking they're Skidrow and making money. They stole a different group's release and put in their bitminer. If I remember correctly, when they aren't just stealing other releases like this their method of getting money is blatantly lying about having a certain game and hiding the download link that doesn't exist behind bunch of surveys. Whoever they are, they're terrible idiots that the world would be better without.

Perhaps they shouldn't have been pirating bad games!!

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44905342]Are you for real A book says "don't download" and you flip shit over people who do for the [I]exact same reason[/I] that you suggested yourself ONLY because "uh illegal". Not a moral thing? Nothing to do with "it's rude to the developers" or anything like that? It's just "uh, illegal"? fucking hell[/QUOTE] Shut up already, jesus. I don't even entirely disagree with [B]some[/B] of your points, but your defense is so fucking piss-poor and you're such an impudent arsehole about it that you're actively doing nothing but getting yourself (and pirates) an even worse name. You're doing nothing but spraying projectile shit over everyone and everything around you by being so absolutely anally devastated and trying so hard to defend this topic.

[QUOTE=tradermader;44912022]i wonder how many are still running this bitminer on their computers?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure no one. I have no idea why people are trusting this article, it's basically using a post by an anonymous guy as it's proof. I was told that the same guy was constantly spamming the comment about it having a bit miner.

[QUOTE=iNothing;44912323]I'm pretty sure no one. I have no idea why people are trusting this article, it's basically using a post by an anonymous guy as it's proof. I was told that the same guy was constantly spamming the comment about it having a bit miner.[/QUOTE] There were reports of the BitMiner in the official FP Watch_Dogs thread about half a day before this article got published.

People comparing piracy to stealing always seem to me like people comparing jaywalking to a hit and run. Both are bad, but it's not the fucking same, and, to a certain extent, everybody here (even those, who saintly declare they buy their shit) do it too. It's like that time when people were afraid to admit they were fapping. No matter how hard you try to defend yourself, you do it, one way or another.

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903453]lol at the people in this thread that view piracy like it's the lowest of the low you try working a bit above minimum wage, maybe in a country where the euro-local currency rates are bad, and not ask your parents to buy video games for you see how many games can you easily get on steam[/QUOTE] Exactly, in Lithuania, a 60 euro game would cost someone who's getting minimum wage 1/5 of their wage. So if someone decides to fuck rent, food, everything else. They can buy 5 games.

Having gone through the whole thread, are there really people who condone pirating just because games are 'expensive'? $40-$60 isn't fucking expensive. Not sure if you can run it? Check recommended requirements. Not sure if you'll like it or not? Plenty of gameplays on YouTube.

Why would anyone care do people pirate games or not also "potential customer" is a bullshit excuse

[QUOTE=EqueL;44912829]Exactly, in Lithuania, a 60 euro game would cost someone who's getting minimum wage 1/5 of their wage. So if someone decides to fuck rent, food, everything else. They can buy 5 games.[/QUOTE] So if you can BARELY afford video games perhaps someone shouldn't be purchasing them in the first place? That doesn't make it OK to acquire them from illegal means either, video games are a luxury item. Not a necessity.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;44913015]video games are a luxury item. Not a necessity.[/QUOTE] Are you stuck in the 1990's ?

On another note, are there still people getting themselves banned for warez 11 pages in? How have you guys not caught on yet?

[QUOTE=EqueL;44913064]Are you stuck in the 1990's ?[/QUOTE] No. I practice this thing called priorities. My priorities are based off what is going to help me survive everyday, what's best for my family, and what's best for my career and personal health. Once those things are taken care of I can start to focus on OTHER things like video games, which are entertainment-a [I]luxury item[/I] that can be very expensive and don't fill my basic needs.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;44913123]No. I practice this thing called priorities. My priorities are based off what is going to help me survive everyday, what's best for my family, and what's best for my career and personal health. Once those things are taken care of I can start to focus on OTHER things like video games, which are entertainment-a [I]luxury item[/I] that can be very expensive and don't fill my basic needs.[/QUOTE] are you saying if youre broke you can't have fun?

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;44913015]So if you can BARELY afford video games perhaps someone shouldn't be purchasing them in the first place? That doesn't make it OK to acquire them from illegal means either, video games are a luxury item. Not a necessity.[/QUOTE] It's not so much that it's ok but that there's no sale to be had, so they aren't losing anything. If all these companies came together and realized that the way to get money out of pirates in places like that isn't to try to sue them for arbitrary amounts of money, but to actually use their massive wealth to help generate a wider middle class. I'm not saying they are obligated to do anything like that, just that's the only way they are going to get money from those countries(including extremely poor areas in the US), it follows the logic that you have to get rid of the incentive to pirate games to get rid of game piracy, punishment will never get you anywhere but in the bad graces of the public(no one wants to hear "Game giant sues poor family $30,000,000 for uploading games) But the most on topic point I'm making here is that it [I]is[/I] illegal to pirate games, but in places where a minimum wage worker has to pay 1/5th of his monthly salary to buy a game there's really no harm being done since that person would never be able to buy it anyway, there was no physical or financial cost of any kind taken from the company. If he could buy it, he would buy it. If they really want to stop piracy, they should be stopping poverty. All that said, it is the companies right to treat these cases however they want to since the infringers are infringing, I'm just saying that it's not logical to pursue cases and ruin people's lives for relatively small amounts of money/

[QUOTE=damnatus;44912925]Why would anyone care do people pirate games or not [/QUOTE] Exactly. It's up to the person to decide if he wants to pirate or not, and insulting his course of action is stupid. Only exception is bragging, which is already bannable on the forum.

A lot of people are against pirating for various reasons, but the reason I 'support' it is the fact that developers simply dont offer demos anymore, for the vast majority of games. Sure, some games still do them, but they're extremely rare cases compared to the huge heap of "Triple AAA $90 pre-order bonus crap!" we see today. I understand from a developer perspective, that providing a Demo costs them. Time and effort, and thus money, goes into making the Demo and distributing it. Also, those customers who are 'on the fence' about the product might be dissuaded from actually buying it after they try out the free Demo. But seriously, when a new game comes out and its $79.95, like Wolfenstein? When CoD:Ghosts is $89.95? Dark Souls 2 is $74.95? Watch Dogs is $74.95? Why should we fork out that IMMENSE amount of money for a game we're not all too sure about? Of course, I do my research before making any purchase. I look at Reviews. I look at videos or lets-plays. I know what I do and dont like, in videogame format. But the problem is just that, its a Video Game. It is something that we interact with in order to justify its existence. Watching other people play it or review it only goes so far. We need to interact with it ourselves to see if we actually like it or not, given the innumerable variables that come into play here (user skill, hardware, time constraints, etc). As other people have stated, yes piracy may be wrong, but like the US legal system, the solution is not punishment. The solution is rehabilitation. You need to fix WHY people do what they do, not punish them for doing it 'after' they've already done it.

[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;44913140]are you saying if youre broke you can't have fun?[/QUOTE] There are cheaper forms of entertainment out there. Hell, pretty much every other form of entertainment that currently exists now are cheaper than video games.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44913112]On another note, are there still people getting themselves banned for warez 11 pages in? How have you guys not caught on yet?[/QUOTE] "Ask me about my refugee camp fetish" I mean really

[QUOTE=Whiplash~;44911093]It really isn't. 40+ bucks is a lot of money for many people.[/QUOTE] Then just pass up the goddamn game. You people are so self entitled.

[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;44913140]are you saying if youre broke you can't have fun?[/QUOTE] Nobody ever claimed this. Holy fuck what is it with you guys simplifying legitimate posts against piracy so you can handwave them with this bullshit. If you're too poor to afford the newest AAA titles, then you really do have other priorities, it's not that you can't have fun, but that you need to look for cheaper means of doing so. Second hand games, older titles, maybe even things that aren't games. "I'm too poor" is a fucking weak justification of piracy. If you're too poor to use the buses, do you sneak on them? If you're too poor to visit the cinema do you sneak in there? No. So why are games different?

Releasing a demo would go a long way to cutting down piracy. I know it can be difficult to carve out chunks of your game to give to consumers but it doesn't even have to be that long. A big reason a lot of people pirate games isn't because they are the entitled manchildren this thread makes them out to be, it's because they want to see if the game runs as well as they would like and if it plays anything like the marketing shows it off as, both of which are a rarity these days. The rest of the people who pirate games just because they don't feel like buying it but still plan on playing to completion are going to copy it anyway so you might as well try to coax some sales out of the people who might be interested in it but also feel the need to be a smart consumer.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;44912906]Having gone through the whole thread, are there really people who condone pirating just because games are 'expensive'? $40-$60 isn't fucking expensive[/QUOTE] maybe not for you but not everyone lives in a first world country

[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;44913140]are you saying if youre broke you can't have fun?[/QUOTE] Are you saying video games are the only way to have fun?

I'm not entirely sure if this has been mentioned already in the past 12 pages, but I know a lot of people who pirate simply because of geo pricing on services such as STEAM. Simply having a US IP drops prices to $40-$60 in comparison to an Australian IP which hikes it up to $80-$100 Watch Dogs for example was priced at $60 for a good while (I think since release the price was increased?) on the American store while Australia was sitting at $75.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903233]Yeah fuck all those people for downloading stuff because they don't feel like paying 40+ bucks for a game that they won't even have a complete version of because of all the preorder bullshit And fuck poor people too[/QUOTE] If you're gonna pirate games fine, but at least don't argue you're not being a douchebag when doing that.

I feel like a lot of the people on Facepunch who say they pirate games as a demo before they buy them are lying. I've never met a single person who does that. People pirate video games so they can play them without paying for them. found the pirates :yarr:

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;44912906]Having gone through the whole thread, are there really people who condone pirating just because games are 'expensive'? $40-$60 isn't fucking expensive. [/QUOTE] Yes it is. $60 is a lot of money. [quote][b]Not sure if you can run it? Check recommended requirements.[/b][/quote] Not always accurate. often glaringly wrong. [quote]Not sure if you'll like it or not? Plenty of gameplays on YouTube.[/quote] Shut up. Seriously, shut up. Video games are an [B]experience medium.[/B] It's the [B]experience.[/B] You don't get the same thing with watching a game as you do physically interacting and experiencing. You don't get the same feedback at all.