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[QUOTE=Raidyr;44914928]Releasing a demo would go a long way to cutting down piracy. I know it can be difficult to carve out chunks of your game to give to consumers but it doesn't even have to be that long. A big reason a lot of people pirate games isn't because they are the entitled manchildren this thread makes them out to be, it's because they want to see if the game runs as well as they would like and if it plays anything like the marketing shows it off as, both of which are a rarity these days. The rest of the people who pirate games just because they don't feel like buying it but still plan on playing to completion are going to copy it anyway so you might as well try to coax some sales out of the people who might be interested in it but also feel the need to be a smart consumer.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I stated. Yet you have 6 agrees and I get 2 dumb votes. Sigh, people. [QUOTE=Glitchbunny;44915497]I'm not entirely sure if this has been mentioned already in the past 12 pages, but I know a lot of people who pirate simply because of geo pricing on services such as STEAM. Simply having a US IP drops prices to $40-$60 in comparison to an Australian IP which hikes it up to $80-$100 Watch Dogs for example was priced at $60 for a good while (I think since release the price was increased?) on the American store while Australia was sitting at $75.[/QUOTE] Watch Dogs is $75. Dark Souls 2 is $72. Wolfenstein is $80. Planetary Annihilation a month ago was $90. Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty was $100 at release, physical copy. Its expansion was $60. Its fucking ridiculous here in Aus.

[QUOTE=Quark:;44915522]I feel like a lot of the people on Facepunch who say they pirate games as a demo before they buy them are lying. I've never met a single person who does that. People pirate video games so they can play them without paying for them.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's all black and white like that, the world is black and white, keep believing it, you're right :) I'd be lying if I said I never pirated anything, it has been years since I've done it other than to try something though, I like my games official because Steam is awesome, I buy most stuff digital for PS3 and the 2DS as well because I can't be bothered to search retail stores.

I'm just going to leave this here, because it's an excellent video on the subject. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfZv_lPwBFI[/media]

I don't pirate, but I can see why people would. To me it doesn't matter because if you download a digital copy its not like the company loses really anything. If you dont like the game they're weren't going to get your money anyways. But if you were to like it and buy it then it would be fine they get their cash you get your entertainment. And the thing is I probably wont buy a $60 game if I don't absolutely know I will like it. I do agree that demos should really come back Im sure people will buy more game that way.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;44912906]$40-$60 isn't fucking expensive.[/QUOTE] and here we have a prime example of somebody that doesn't grasp the value of a dollar

[QUOTE=Venrez;44915842] Watch Dogs is $75. Dark Souls 2 is $72. Wolfenstein is $80. Planetary Annihilation a month ago was $90. Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty was $100 at release, physical copy. Its expansion was $60. Its fucking ridiculous here in Aus.[/QUOTE] Aus has a much higher minimial wage due to a much higher cost of living. I believe it is around 15$ an hour, which is more than what I make now doing scaffolding. Its not fucking ridiculous when you looks at the normal wage of an Austrian worker.

[QUOTE=Whiplash~;44911093]It really isn't. 40+ bucks is a lot of money for many people.[/QUOTE] "i cant afford it so its okay to steal" literally dumbest excuse for pirating games ever

[QUOTE=endorphinsam;44916654]"i cant afford it so its okay to steal" literally dumbest excuse for pirating games ever[/QUOTE] What's dumb here is that people don't understand the difference between lost profits (stealing) and never making profit that wasn't going to be made in the first place (pirating). When somebody pirates, to put it simply there's only two possible outcomes: 1. They pirate because that's what they do and they never intended to buy the game in the first place (profit isn't made by the company because this person wasn't going to buy the game for whatever reason even if there wasn't piracy, aka the person is poor, is a cheap ass, etc). So either way, this person wasn't going to give them money, it's different from stealing, where the company actually loses something. 2. They pirate because they want to try it, don't have money right now, etc but they always end up buying it, this gives money to the company and is in my view, fine. I've done it a few times, but I always end up buying it if I play for more than 30 minutes. I know most of you don't believe this happens, but there are still honest people who want to see if the game is worth buying and watching a lets play doesn't give the same experience as a hands-on try. That being the case, the company can only win from piracy, because they never lose sales on people who weren't going to buy the game anyways, at most they gain sales by having those few who tried the pirated version and bought it anyways.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;44912906]Not sure if you can run it? Check recommended requirements.[/QUOTE] I meet the recommended requirements but for some reason the game still performs awfully and stutters a lot.... hm.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903233]Yeah fuck all those people for downloading stuff because they don't feel like paying 40+ bucks for a game that they won't even have a complete version of because of all the preorder bullshit And fuck poor people too[/QUOTE] i just outright stopped pirating computer games because i don't try to pretend that i have some sense of entitlement to them

[QUOTE=Technopath;44916717]What's dumb here is that people don't understand the difference between lost profits (stealing) and never making profit that wasn't going to be made in the first place (pirating). When somebody pirates, to put it simply there's only two possible outcomes: 1. They pirate because that's what they do and they never intended to buy the game in the first place (profit isn't made by the company because this person wasn't going to buy the game for whatever reason even if there wasn't piracy, aka the person is poor, is a cheap ass, etc). So either way, this person wasn't going to give them money, it's different from stealing, where the company actually loses something. 2. They pirate because they want to try it, don't have money right now, etc but they always end up buying it, this gives money to the company and is in my view, fine. I've done it a few times, but I always end up buying it if I play for more than 30 minutes. I know most of you don't believe this happens, but there are still honest people who want to see if the game is worth buying and watching a lets play doesn't give the same experience as a hands-on try. That being the case, the company can only win from piracy, because they never lose sales on people who weren't going to buy the game anyways, at most they gain sales by having those few who tried the pirated version and bought it anyways.[/QUOTE] If piracy didn't exist at all the company would probably make more money. Sure there are honest people, but you're missing the group of people that would buy the game, had they not been able to pirate it. Piracy isn't as bad as stealing (by any stretch), because a digital version of the game doesn't cost the company anything - but still, it's not fine in my opinion; loads of people bought it legally, so you're still doing something that is, in my opinion, wrong.

[QUOTE=endorphinsam;44916654]"i cant afford it so its okay to steal" literally dumbest excuse for pirating games ever[/QUOTE] yeah but acting like 40 bucks is nothing (while its a shitload of money for a lot of people around the world) is also pretty dumb

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44916815]So is acting like people are entitled to play games without paying just because they can't afford them.[/QUOTE] the quote he had in his post wasn't trying to say that though

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44913825][B]If you're too poor to use the buses, do you sneak on them?[/B][/QUOTE] When people say this I wish I had a magic device to teleport them into a life where they have 3 part time minimum wage jobs. Seriously can we switch lives? I'd make popcorn and just watch you struggle to survive in the shit situation you're in and slap your hand every time you did something morally questionable to survive.

[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44916896]When people say this I wish I had a magic device to teleport them into a life where they have 3 part time minimum wage jobs. Seriously can we switch lives? I'd make popcorn and just watch you struggle to survive in the shit situation you're in and slap your hand every time you did something morally questionable to survive.[/QUOTE] Video games are necessary to survive?

[QUOTE=geel9;44916983]Video games are necessary to survive?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure I only quoted the part he judges people for trying to sneak on a bus, I even have it in bold font it for your convenience. Edit He can judge people for pirating all he wants, just don't compare making a digital copy of a luxury item with some poor bloke trying to sneak on a bus because its 100 degrees outside.

[QUOTE=Technopath;44916717]What's dumb here is that people don't understand the difference between lost profits (stealing) and never making profit that wasn't going to be made in the first place (pirating). When somebody pirates, to put it simply there's only two possible outcomes: 1. They pirate because that's what they do and they never intended to buy the game in the first place (profit isn't made by the company because this person wasn't going to buy the game for whatever reason even if there wasn't piracy, aka the person is poor, is a cheap ass, etc). So either way, this person wasn't going to give them money, it's different from stealing, where the company actually loses something. 2. They pirate because they want to try it, don't have money right now, etc but they always end up buying it, this gives money to the company and is in my view, fine. I've done it a few times, but I always end up buying it if I play for more than 30 minutes. I know most of you don't believe this happens, but there are still honest people who want to see if the game is worth buying and watching a lets play doesn't give the same experience as a hands-on try. That being the case, the company can only win from piracy, because they never lose sales on people who weren't going to buy the game anyways, at most they gain sales by having those few who tried the pirated version and bought it anyways.[/QUOTE] You don't get it. Piracy is easy. Many people who in the past would have paid for a game can just pirate it. Why pay when you can just download it? It's like music piracy. Everyone enjoys the music they pirate but they never pay for it because "lol who buys music"

[QUOTE=Technopath;44916717]What's dumb here is that people don't understand the difference between lost profits (stealing) and never making profit that wasn't going to be made in the first place (pirating).[/QUOTE] The root of the problem is you're taking something for free. In other words: stealing.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;44917032]You don't get it. Piracy is easy. Many people who in the past would have paid for a game can just pirate it. Why pay when you can just download it? It's like music piracy. Everyone enjoys the music they pirate but they never pay for it because "lol who buys music"[/QUOTE] Music piracy has other issues. Check out [URL="http://www.discogs.com/Pinback-Blue-Screen-Life/release/2662045"]this album[/URL]. $80 isn't even that bad compared to a lot of other albums out there, and it isn't even close to what some of the other versions of this particular album go for. Mind you this is for a used record, and these costs don't include shipping or what have you. I love Rob Crow and pretty much every project he's worked on. However, I'm not about to drop over $100 for a used album since I've got loads on my list. Why should I spend $100 on something when none of that money is going to the artist or my local record shops? Should I feel bad if I download this one particular album if I have everything else Crow has worked on and have been to a bunch of their shows?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44916536]If you cant afford to blow 60$ for your entertainment, how are you even purchasing the platform necessary to enjoy said video game in the first place? After all, the latest consoles are 400$+, previous generation are still 150$+, that's still a hell of a lot more than the price of a video game. If 60$ is a lot to you, if it's so much that you cant afford to spend 60$ to entertain yourself, then you shouldn't be using that form of entertainment.[/QUOTE] I'm using a computer I got as a Christmas gift in [B][I][U]2008[/U][/I][/B] that was only made affordable by the fact my father got his lawsuit pushed for. What the fuck is your problem?

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;44912906]Having gone through the whole thread, are there really people who condone pirating just because games are 'expensive'? $40-$60 isn't fucking expensive. [/QUOTE] I am from Estonia, and to get some more money I work for my father on a construction site in Finland, earning 60$ a day. And some people barely get 25-30$ a day [b] In Estonia [/b]. The odd jobs consist of doing ridiculously mundane and physically exhausting tasks, now while this is my dad who spares me some of the ridiculously difficult and unnecessary tasks I still find the work really tiring. Now imagine people live like that for quite a long time. I cannot really vouch whether you are a kid who thinks its easy to get money nowadays in countries such as Baltic States or a college student who still thinks he will have the brightest future before him after you get the diploma, or a person working 80$ a day with a piss easy working schedule, or a rich guy who shits for gold bricks, I do not fucking care - 60 euro IS a lot, at least for me, at least for teachers who barely wage 600 euro a month. Teachers waring 600 euro a fucking month barely.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44916536]Know whats expensive and worth more than video games? Food. 60$ is half of my food budget. Does that mean that it's fine for me to take food? Because its expensive? [/QUOTE] Your entire fucking argument is beaten by yourself, sir. I'm not saying that games should be free or stolen, I'm saying that games are prohibitively priced considering that the mediums for playing games are also a $300+ investment ontop of that. If [B]$60 is half of your [I]food[/I] budget[/B], then surely that's fucking [B]insane[/B] for a singular game?

[QUOTE=Quark:;44915522]I feel like a lot of the people on Facepunch who say they pirate games as a demo before they buy them are lying. I've never met a single person who does that. People pirate video games so they can play them without paying for them.[/QUOTE] Wrong. I (hypothetically) know a guy who did it just to see how Amnesia would run. Ended up buying it because it was not only fun but it was a pretty good game all around. GTA IV was a staggering blow to their video card before the upgrade so they were glad they didn't drop the money right then and there because they wouldn't have been able to play it. fuck my merge

I only usually pirate games that are singleplayer. If its got multiplayer, Ill buy it. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("You won't banned for warez/leaks unless: •You openly declare or brag about it" - Orkel))[/highlight]

Kudos to the guy who uploaded the cracked version for making some money for himself, and fuck everyone who installed it and is shocked that they're being robbed of nothing in exchange for robbing a company, even if it IS Ubisoft.

I really hate this mentality of just pirating things. It's become part of people's lives. I'm pretty sure everyone pirates things, but try to keep it to a minimum. I pretty much buy all software I use, which isn't that much, but it's better than pirating everything.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44917554]Just because you do it doesn't mean everyone does.[/QUOTE] I never said it was me :tinfoil:

I used to pirate games that I was unsure of to try them out, but now I just don't pirate them if I can't afford to buy them and take a risk on a bad purchase. The company that made the game still gets $0 from me either way, but now there's less of a chance I'll take a risk and buy the game since I won't "try before I buy." Honestly, if a company is going to release a $60 game, it better be jam packed with content because I can get great experiences from games $20 and under.

Putting something out there, Steam offers 70% of the purchase price to the producer compared to 30% they would get from retail sales. (i.e. gamestop) The way I see it, digitally distributed PC games should be at least marginally cheaper than the price of console games or hard copies of PC games seeing as how it is more profitable for the producer already than had it been a console sale. I don't know if it is Steam or the Producer that has the say-all on the end price for sale, but it sounds like extreme levels of bullshit that the price remains as high for digital copies of a game.

I never understood the argument of trying before you buy (which is essentially another way of saying, deplete all enjoyment out of the game before your satisfied enough that it doesn't warrant buying it anymore) There isn't one game that i can think of that my [i]friend[/i] bought after torrenting it, without being isolated out of some feature. This isn't the 1990's where we lack the insight to determine how good a game is without buying it first. Multiplayer titles are almost exempt from 'lost sales' when being pirated because no one has access to that side of the game. That effectively creates it's value worth being spent on. I can't say anything else works.