Watch_Dogs torrent secretly installing a Bitcoin miner on thousands of computers - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44903315]Because video games should be so high on the priority list when you're poor.[/QUOTE] haha poor people arent allowed to save up for things and have fun

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903342]It depends. Is the game hyped beyond belief and/or doesn't have a demo available? Try before buying. Otherwise it's a waste of 40 bucks if you end up not liking the game.[/QUOTE] Pirating a game because you simply don't want to pay for it is stupid and moronic no matter how you try to twist it. For the record, I'm talking pirating a game and completely playing it, not pirating it to demo it and see how it runs, there's always a fair point to be made for that.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44903359]Pirating a game because you simply don't want to pay for it is stupid and moronic no matter how you try to twist it. For the record, I'm talking pirating a game and completely playing it, not pirating it to demo it and see how it runs, there's always a fair point to be made for that.[/QUOTE] Oh no, someone pirated a game, he must be a very bad person and my mum told me not to hang out with those!!11 Piracy is and always be a thing. Sometimes it's for good (shitty anti-piracy measures like SecuROM, i mean come on it's just a fucking rootkit), shitty ports you don't feel like paying for, or just because you are a cheap dipshit. You all people need to deal with it.

I do agree that people pirating games just because they don't want to pay is dumb. You enjoy something, you pay for it. Keyword is ENJOY. I don't want to pay for a game that I'd end up hating, simply because there was close to no ability to try the game in any legal manner beforehand. I miss sharewares and demos. Those were great.

With all the scripted gameplay videos, pre-rendered cinematic trailers, pre-alpha graphics footage that looks ten times worse when the game actually comes out and bribing of review websites, if the producer doesn't release a demo, I think pirating it to give it a try is justifiable. Of course, one would have to actually buy it if they like it to fully justify it.

[QUOTE=Amic;44903265]And again people compare downloading a game, making a COPY of it for free, to stealing something, which kind of doesn't work like piracy because you take the original...[/QUOTE] But rather than stealing a physical object from them you still steal potential money from the creators. Also there has to be a original prototype to every car, I'll just steal those that aren't the prototype, they're just copies of that car after all. See? same fucking logic. It doesn't work that way.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44903315]Because video games should be so high on the priority list when you're poor.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is that supposed to mean , poor people need to unwind too.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;44903300]stealing physical goods causes the company to lose money. choosing not to buy a game doesn't. there's a big difference. we're also talking about a company that has released unplayable port after unplayable port for neigh on a decade, and gone on to claim that PC isn't a relevant platform because statistically 90% of its users only play pirated games. they were too dumb and too lazy to make decent PC products then got mad when nobody bought them and tried to fuck over the PC community by discouraging other developers from making PC products. please give me one reason why anybody should give a single dollar to a company which is by all accounts the scum of the gaming industry[/QUOTE] idk if you think they're scum why are you putting tens possibly hundreds of hours in to their video games there [I]are[/I] developers behind those 'scummy' distributors

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44903359]Pirating a game because you simply don't want to pay for it is stupid and moronic no matter how you try to twist it.[/QUOTE] Company X announces Game Y Player Z thinks Game Y looks cool, but is unconvinced. Company X releases Game Y, but with no publicly available demo. [B]FOUR OUTCOMES:[/B] Player Z buys the game, and thinks it's bad. 50$ wasted. Player Z buys the game, and thinks it's good. 50$ well spent. Player Z pirates the game, and tries it. Thinks it's good. Buys it. 50$ well spent. Player Z pirates the game, and tries it. Thinks it's bad. Doesn't buy it. 50$ saved. Mind you the keyword here is TRY. As in, downloading and playing for a short while, just enough to get a good impression of the game and if it would be worth the money. This is why the good ol' shareware (aka demo) era of gaming was great, because fucking every game out there had a shareware version that you could try before getting the full thing. [editline]oh[/editline] [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44903359]For the record, I'm talking pirating a game and completely playing it, not pirating it to demo it and see how it runs, there's always a fair point to be made for that.[/QUOTE] Oh, you edited this in after I posted. Sorry <3

I love how Ganerumo owns 307 titles on Steam yet his most played game is DOTA2 with 562 hours. There are fun games out there that you can legally play for free. Who would'a thunk it?

[QUOTE=Toyhobo;44903370]But rather than stealing a physical object from them you still steal potential money from the creators. Also there has to be a original prototype to every car, I'll just steal those that aren't the prototype, they're just copies of that car after all. See? same fucking logic. It doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE] Potential money? If someone is a pirate he would pirate it anyways, meaning he was no potential profit for that company. And about that prototype part. It's still not quite the same. You don't steal a physical copy. You don't steal thousands of dollars worth in parts that were used to make that copy. You download it. You don't even steal a CD which would have like what, 1$ cost to burn? See? Not same fucking logic. It doesn't work that way.

[QUOTE=Toyhobo;44903370]But rather than stealing a physical object from them you still steal potential money from the creators. Also there has to be a original prototype to every car, I'll just steal those that aren't the prototype, they're just copies of that car after all. See? same fucking logic. It doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE] That's a dumbass example. Besides, you don't steal potential money from the developers if you wouldn't even have bought the game in the first place for lack of a way to try it anyway. There are games that I would have never even considered buying if there hadn't been a demo for it. There are still games to this very day I will never buy because I simply have no way of playing them beforehand and don't want to waste money on something I don't like. And, before someone goes into the movie example (it's bound to happen) it's something like 8 euros to see a new movie, that's entirely affordable. 40 euros for a game is not what I'd call universally affordable.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;44903380]I love how Ganerumo owns 307 titles on Steam but his most played game is DOTA2 with 562 hours. There are fun games out there that you can legally play for free. Who would'a thunk it?[/QUOTE] That said, there aren't that many f2p games that aren't horrendously imbalanced unless you pull out the wallet.

The game is seriously overrated anyways. I can't run it since I have a DX10 GFX but from what I have seen it's only novelty shit that gets old fast.

[QUOTE=Toyhobo;44903370]But rather than stealing a physical object from them you still steal potential money from the creators. Also there has to be a original prototype to every car, I'll just steal those that aren't the prototype, they're just copies of that car after all. See? same fucking logic. It doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE] It's not the same, each car cost money to build, ship and out in a showroom. A torrent doesn't cost the company anything, other than a "potential sale".

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44903388]That said, there aren't that many f2p games that aren't horrendously imbalanced unless you pull out the wallet.[/QUOTE] Yeah, most free to play games are horribly unbalanced, and are actually pay to win, so gg on that example.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;44903380]I love how Ganerumo owns 307 titles on Steam yet his most played game is DOTA2 with 562 hours. There are fun games out there that you can legally play for free. Who would'a thunk it?[/QUOTE] My second most played game is Garry's Mod (and that's only half my time, since I was playing on another account before and it had roughly just as much), a game I bought for 10 bucks. AND my third most played game is Skyrim, which I bought full price (50€) because I believed it was worth it. The fuck is your point even ?

I pirate games on a demo basis. If I enjoy the hour or two I play, I'll actively buy the game. If I don't enjoy it, I uninstall it. I uninstalled Watch_Dogs after being very disappointed by it, but thankfully I'd not been an idiot and only stuck with trusted uploaders. I've actually bought games I'd never think of buying otherwise due to using pirating as means to demo a finished product. The Banner Saga, Metro Last Light, The Witcher 1/2 and a boatload more. Also helps avoid the issues a lot of people had with, say, Colonial Marines. I was able to avoid that festering pile of turds and save my wallet because I played it for an hour. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("You won't banned for warez/leaks unless: •You openly declare or brag about it" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903404]The fuck is your point even ?[/QUOTE] There is a whole plethora of games out there you can play legally without paying a cent.

[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;44903408] Also helps avoid the issues a lot of people had with, say, Colonial Marines. I was able to avoid that festering pile of turds and save my wallet because I played it for an hour.[/QUOTE] If you weren't put off by the 2s and 3s it was getting all over the place, you deserved wasting money on that though, assuming you weren't one of the poor saps who pre-ordered it. Also, EGM gave it a 9, my fucking sides.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;44903412]There is a whole plethora of games out there you can play legally without paying a cent.[/QUOTE] And most of them are horrendously bad or require you to pay a huge amount of money to even progress.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;44903412]There is a whole plethora of games out there you can play legally without paying a cent.[/QUOTE] How is that relevant to the topic of Watch Dogs...?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903376]This is why the good ol' shareware (aka demo) era of gaming was great, because fucking every game out there had a shareware version that you could try before getting the full thing.[/QUOTE] Sharewares were actually better than demos because sharewares were full games with extra content if you paid. It's like the game is free but you pay for DLC. Can you imagine something like that these days? Developers would actually have to put effort into DLC's again.

[QUOTE=Drury;44903428]Sharewares were actually better than demos because sharewares were full games with extra content if you paid. It's like the game is free but you pay for DLC. Can you imagine something like that these days? Developers would actually have to put effort into DLC's again.[/QUOTE] Wasn't that freeware? Or did I get the terms mixed up It was a long-ass time ago. Either way it was a working formula. Just look at ID. They were doing great, and still are!

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903423]How is that relevant to the topic of Watch Dogs...?[/QUOTE] Because there's a boatload of people coming in here acting like the people who got the BitCoin miner virus weren't in the wrong.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903423]How is that relevant to the topic of Watch Dogs...?[/QUOTE] Is any of this? People are just arguing about the morality of pirating and going by an article which is basically using one anonymous post as it's source.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903376]Company X announces Game Y Player Z thinks Game Y looks cool, but is unconvinced. Company X releases Game Y, but with no publicly available demo. [B]FOUR OUTCOMES:[/B] Player Z buys the game, and thinks it's bad. 50$ wasted. Player Z buys the game, and thinks it's good. 50$ well spent. Player Z pirates the game, and tries it. Thinks it's good. Buys it. 50$ well spent. Player Z pirates the game, and tries it. Thinks it's bad. Doesn't buy it. 50$ saved. Mind you the keyword here is TRY. As in, downloading and playing for a short while, just enough to get a good impression of the game and if it would be worth the money. This is why the good ol' shareware (aka demo) era of gaming was great, because fucking every game out there had a shareware version that you could try before getting the full thing. [editline]oh[/editline] Oh, you edited this in after I posted. Sorry <3[/QUOTE] That's hardly a fair example, there'll be plenty of situations like this. Player Z pirates the game, and tries it, thinks it's good. Can't be bothered buying it as they already have it ready to play and they don't have to pay anything.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903433]Wasn't that freeware? Or did I get the terms mixed up It was a long-ass time ago. Either way it was a working formula. Just look at ID. They were doing great, and still are![/QUOTE] Freeware is a game that's totally free. Shareware is a game that's free to an extent, and if you want the whole thing you pay for it, so basically a pretty big demo.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;44903434]Because there's a boatload of people coming in here acting like the people who got the BitCoin miner virus weren't in the wrong.[/QUOTE] Because they necessarily weren't, maybe? Did you at all read the arguments people have put forth?

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;44903434]Because there's a boatload of people coming in here acting like the people who got the BitCoin miner virus weren't in the wrong.[/QUOTE] Those people were idiots but they weren't in the wrong for pirating it. Especially a game that isn't even out yet.