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Honestly with the proliferation of Lets Plays and game first impressions, I don't think the "I'm just going to try it to see if I like it before buying it really guys I'm totally going to pay for it later :downs:" excuse doesn't work. Just wait for Totalbiscuit(well maybe not TB what with the whole cancer thing now) to do a first impressions video. I can usually tell if I will like a game just from watching the first 5 minutes or so of gameplay. The only excuse for pirating that holds any water at all is the "Testing to see if it runs on my system" one, and even then, usually a question to a forum of that game will yield someone with a similar setup to yours with a yes or no answer.

[QUOTE=Trekintosh;44903445]Honestly with the proliferation of Lets Plays and game first impressions, I don't think the "I'm just going to try it to see if I like it before buying it really guys I'm totally going to pay for it later :downs:" excuse doesn't work. Just wait for Totalbiscuit(well maybe not TB what with the whole cancer thing now) to do a first impressions video. I can usually tell if I will like a game just from watching the first 5 minutes or so of gameplay. The only excuse for pirating that holds any water at all is the "Testing to see if it runs on my system" one, and even then, usually a question to a forum of that game will yield someone with a similar setup to yours with a yes or no answer.[/QUOTE] I can't make up my own mind on a game if I don't play it firsthand, or experience it directly in some way. Watching a video of a bloke talking over footage isn't that representative because they're trying to be entertaining, and they are focusing on both the game and their commentary meaning they'll likely fuck up and potentially make the game look worse than it is. If you want a good example look at, say, Two Best Friends. They make Let's Plays of games and always finish them, and even when the game is good it can still appear as a bad game because they're fucking up or that one game is better to play than to watch (especially since youtube botches the quality of the game footage by only displaying 30 fps, decreasing resolution and sound quality, etc). Those videos are good as far as watching an opinion piece goes but it's hardly the same as actually playing the game.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903443] Did you at all read the arguments people have put forth?[/QUOTE] Yes and I disagreed with all of them.

lol at the people in this thread that view piracy like it's the lowest of the low you try working a bit above minimum wage, maybe in a country where the euro-local currency rates are bad, and not ask your parents to buy video games for you see how many games can you easily get on steam

[QUOTE=Trekintosh;44903445]Honestly with the proliferation of Lets Plays and game first impressions, I don't think the "I'm just going to try it to see if I like it before buying it really guys I'm totally going to pay for it later :downs:" excuse doesn't work. Just wait for Totalbiscuit(well maybe not TB what with the whole cancer thing now) to do a first impressions video. I can usually tell if I will like a game just from watching the first 5 minutes or so of gameplay. The only excuse for pirating that holds any water at all is the "Testing to see if it runs on my system" one, and even then, usually a question to a forum of that game will yield someone with a similar setup to yours with a yes or no answer.[/QUOTE] It [I]usually[/I] doesn't work that way. If I watch someone else play a game, I don't get an impression of the game myself. I'm watching someone elses impression of it. I want to try it out for my own, experience the game world myself, the controls, the visuals etc - a video or a screenshot or a review just doesn't give the same kind of justice the way actually playing a game yourself does. I've got a pretty good example of that myself. When I watched people dick around with GTA 5 in various Let's Plays I never really left the mindset of "Eh, this looks okay I guess, but not worth the money". When I actually got to try it out myself at a friends place, I was amazed - there's an [I]entirely [/I]different feeling when you get to try something yourself.

buying a full title is like a little gift from me to myself

[QUOTE=Ruisu;44903293]Pretty sure the actual reason people pirate is because they dont feel like paying money for things, not sure what other reason there could be???[/QUOTE] Of course it's a reason, but it's a dumb [I]excuse[/I]

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;44903452]Yes and I disagreed with all of them.[/QUOTE] you should probably leave the thread. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903459]Of course it's a reason, but it's a dumb [I]excuse[/I][/QUOTE] I don't get it, are you looking for a reason to justify pirating? Cause there's been like 10+ replies on the last page explaining why most people pirate.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903433]Wasn't that freeware? Or did I get the terms mixed up It was a long-ass time ago. Either way it was a working formula. Just look at ID. They were doing great, and still are![/QUOTE] Freeware is no charge. You just work for free. Demos were a portion of a game. Sometimes full game, except on a timer set so that you couldn't beat it. Sharewares were full games with extra paid content. For general software, demos and sharewares were (and are) actually the other way around, sharewares are timed trials and demos usable software, albeit with extra content if you pay up.

[QUOTE=Trekintosh;44903445]Honestly with the proliferation of Lets Plays and game first impressions, I don't think the "I'm just going to try it to see if I like it before buying it really guys I'm totally going to pay for it later :downs:" excuse doesn't work. Just wait for Totalbiscuit(well maybe not TB what with the whole cancer thing now) to do a first impressions video. I can usually tell if I will like a game just from watching the first 5 minutes or so of gameplay. The only excuse for pirating that holds any water at all is the "Testing to see if it runs on my system" one, and even then, usually a question to a forum of that game will yield someone with a similar setup to yours with a yes or no answer.[/QUOTE] If you're [I]actually[/I] pirating a game to try it before buying I don't see what's wrong with that. Like yeah maybe you can get the same information from Youtube but does it matter?

[QUOTE=Ruisu;44903293]Pretty sure the actual reason people pirate is because they dont feel like paying money for things, not sure what other reason there could be???[/QUOTE] There is so many reasons why people pirate it's way to oversimplifying to say that its just because they don't feel like paying for it. I'm not trying to justify it but a couple of reasons for pirating could be: Can't afford it. Can afford it but don't feel like paying for it. To test if it works, some games where a lot of people complain about bugs/crashes. A few times i had to crack a legit copy because it crashed, and they haven't released an update yet. I bought GTA IV on Steam and used the new version for multiplayer and downloaded and older version on torrent for mods. So there is so many reasons people pirate, but percentage wise it's probably either because people can't afford it or just don't want to pay for it.

The skidrow watchdogs because sort of a meme, so it sadly had to happen...

Pirating to try games that you wouldn't be able to try otherwise before buying is fine for the most part. As long as you do actually buy the game if you enjoy the pirated version it's not really hurting anyone. However there's always going to be "bad eggs" that don't buy the game even if they enjoy it and finish it, which the people who argue against pirating will use as examples. No one can win this argument because there's no hard evidence if people are actually buying it afterwards or not.

[QUOTE=Mr Flexi;44903482]However there's always going to be "bad eggs" that don't buy the game even if they enjoy it and finish it, which the people who argue against pirating will use as examples.[/QUOTE] That makes me wonder: What if you pirate a game, and you like it but you're currently unable to buy it - so you finish it, and buy it when your money becomes available?

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903266]LOL that's the dumbest excuse for pirating ever[/QUOTE] No, it's not. I am never going to buy Watch Dogs. Ever. Seriously. Maybe if it went on a $2 sale one day. What does Ubisoft lose if I pirate it?

[QUOTE=.Lain;44903374]idk if you think they're scum why are you putting tens possibly hundreds of hours in to their video games there [I]are[/I] developers behind those 'scummy' distributors[/QUOTE] I'm not. the last time they made a decent game was in 2010. case in point. I downloaded a different torrent of watch dogs to see how it would run and if it was worth buying. 20 frames lowest settings, GTX 670, I7 4771, 8 GB RAM. and before anyone says that it's because it's a pre-release version, it isn't. ubisoft releases unplayable games and does nothing to fix them, that is their business model. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("You won't banned for warez/leaks unless: •You openly declare or brag about it" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903459]Of course it's a reason, but it's a dumb [I]excuse[/I][/QUOTE] Pirates arent looking for an excuse, they dont really care. The whole point of pirating games is because you dont really care enough to pay money, do you think that because someone says "lol thats a shit excuse" they're gonna stop, people have always and will always try to find a way to do something that costs money for free.

[QUOTE=Ruisu;44903567]The whole point of pirating games is because you dont really care enough to pay money[/QUOTE] You should read the thread because you might not realize it but you're being an idiot right now

This is kind of off-topic but since all the discussion is about piracy and that stuff: Imho, the time of the demos has long since passed for the better. Demos were the point where the social media wasn't as strong as it is right now, nor were there as many ways to find information about a game. There isn't such a major need for demos anymore because there are simply many more ways to see the game now, without piracy. Youtube, twitch, blogs, game reviews, word of mouth are all really common now to the point that you can see a really wide range of views with any sort of game you'd ever want to play without ever having to download the game and see it for yourself. The only reason to ever get the game through less than legal means for "legal" reasons is to see how well it runs. But, even that is now less than necessary due to the word of mouth existing, even if you haven't bought the game, someone else would that would have hardware that is similar to/worse than yours who will likely make it known how the game ran for them.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;44903452]Yes and I disagreed with all of them.[/QUOTE] you're telling me you live in Australia and you've paid out the ass for every game (excluding f2p's) that you own? all 108? I don't like the idea of pirating shit, but people can do whatever the fuck they please, get off your moral high horse please [QUOTE=itisjuly;44903591]If you're not going to buy it you are not entitled to playing it. If everyone had a mindset like you we'd have no games and tons of DRM. Just because they don't lose anything does not mean it is fine with taking a paid product for free. If you're just going to demo it then fine. But if you actually play that shit and don't pay you're scum.[/QUOTE] Uplay already has 0 games and tons of drm

[QUOTE=Stopper;44903528]No, it's not. I am never going to buy Watch Dogs. Ever. Seriously. Maybe if it went on a $2 sale one day. What does Ubisoft lose if I pirate it?[/QUOTE] If you're not going to buy it you are not entitled to playing it. If everyone had a mindset like you we'd have no games and tons of DRM. Just because they don't lose anything does not mean it is fine with taking a paid product for free. If you're just going to demo it then fine. But if you actually play that shit and don't pay you're scum.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903579]You should read the thread because you might not realize it but you're being an idiot right now[/QUOTE] Alright, people like to justify that they're doing it to demo the game or that they're going to buy it later so its ok. But it doesnt really work that way and if you need to justify that you've done something thats wrong and illegal to feel better about yourself then thats not my problem. Everyone has reasons why they do things, thats just my reason and the reason of many people i've spoken to about the matter.

[QUOTE=WaRRioRTF;44903588]This is kind of off-topic but since all the discussion is about piracy and that stuff: Imho, the time of the demos has long since passed for the better. Demos were the point where the social media wasn't as strong as it is right now, nor were there as many ways to find information about a game. There isn't such a major need for demos anymore because there are simply many more ways to see the game now, without piracy. Youtube, twitch, blogs, game reviews, word of mouth are all really common now to the point that you can see a really wide range of views with any sort of game you'd ever want to play without ever having to download the game and see it for yourself. The only reason to ever get the game through less than legal means for "legal" reasons is to see how well it runs. But, even that is now less than necessary due to the word of mouth existing, even if you haven't bought the game, someone else would that would have hardware that is similar to/worse than yours who will likely make it known how the game ran for them.[/QUOTE] Experiencing a game firsthand will always be superior to hearing about it from people who played it. Demos stopped existing because the current sale model makes it possible for anyone to make tons of money based on promises alone. For publishers, it's counterproductive to make their devs release a demo because it means they have to push back the already tight deadline so they have time to create and release a demo. As for independent developers, with steam early access you don't even have to worry about your game being complete, let alone worry about releasing a demo to bring people to your game, all you have to do is give some nice promises and people will buy it.

[QUOTE=Ruisu;44903593]But it doesnt really work that way[/QUOTE] It literally does though You're acting as if the SINGLE ONE AND ONLY REASON people pirate is to be intentionally evil dicks and because they don't want to pay. [I][B]THAT [/B][/I]is not how it works.

[QUOTE=Stopper;44903528]No, it's not. I am never going to buy Watch Dogs. Ever. Seriously. Maybe if it went on a $2 sale one day. What does Ubisoft lose if I pirate it?[/QUOTE] your money

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903352]GOG only sells old and independent games, so it's not even a good example. When a game is sold 40 Euros (so $55) without a single demo on the horizon and the only word you can take is the one of developers and people who may not even have the same tastes as you, the only way to make your own opinion of the game is to find it some other way. I don't pirate often, I only do it when I'm not certain about the game and when the price exceeds 20 bucks. And even then, I don't play the game entirely, I try it and if I like it I buy it as soon as possible. If the game sucks then I uninstall it and congratulate myself for having saved money on a game that would have been a waste of money. Let me be clear, pirating is a fucking chore nowadays because it's basically faster to straight up purchase and download a game on steam, but when a game is as expensive as 50 dollars I am not willing to pay for it blindfolded or only based on the appreciation of others who may or may not even have the same tastes as me.[/QUOTE] It's 50€, which is even worse. From Steamprices: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0E8og2g.png[/IMG] We're paying almost $10 for no reason. And we'd pay $81.78 if it wasn't for that discount. $21.79 because we happen to live somewhere else. Gee, why does people pirate things.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903459]Of course it's a reason, but it's a dumb [I]excuse[/I][/QUOTE] if there's a bad/dumb excuse then there must be a good excuse

Saying "I would have never ever given them the money in the first place anyway" is a flawed argument because it implies that the default state of (not) buying a game is pirating it. I completely agree with Gabe Newell about how piracy is a service problem and all that stuff but justifying pirating by "I wasn't gonna give them money anyway" is actually worse than "I would give them money but [i'm broke] [i'm poor] [etc]"

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903631]your money[/QUOTE] Good job missing his point entirely. If someone can't buy the game because they can't afford it (or some other reason) them pirating it will make no difference.

when game developers sell art for 19 euros [thumb]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rHo0kOLjH6k/UjLLs0wOPyI/AAAAAAAAAiI/GTnNvCMJCMo/s1600/transistor_movie_poster_dark_straightI_1.png[/thumb] you really start to wonder what really costs 60 dollars/50 euros on rehashes and sequels year by year