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[QUOTE=Kljunas;44903650]Good job missing his point entirely. If someone can't buy the game because they can't afford it (or some other reason) them pirating it will make no difference.[/QUOTE] Or he could wait until he has enough money to actually buy the game...

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903664]Or he could wait until he has enough money to actually buy the game...[/QUOTE] the major problem with that thesis of yours is that barely any game has the value to give a month of enjoyment to the buyer and usually, at the current market prices, the average person can buy one full price game per month, if not two

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903664]Or he could wait until he has enough money to actually buy the game...[/QUOTE] In a world where money is tight, someone that makes minimum wage is obviously going to waste money on a 60$ game, instead of essentials. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903664]Or he could wait until he has enough money to actually buy the game...[/QUOTE] Before you made it big, you had to of pirated AT-LEAST one thing, Be it Photoshop, Vegas, or even Fraps. You've had to of done something like that, or you had a well paying job, which are hard to find. Just because you haven't pirated something doesn't make you better than someone who has, i'm all for supporting devs. But greedy devs like ubisoft are killing the games industry.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903618]Experiencing a game firsthand will always be superior to hearing about it from people who played it. Demos stopped existing because the current sale model makes it possible for anyone to make tons of money based on promises alone. For publishers, it's counterproductive to make their devs release a demo because it means they have to push back the already tight deadline so they have time to create and release a demo. As for independent developers, with steam early access you don't even have to worry about your game being complete, let alone worry about releasing a demo to bring people to your game, all you have to do is give some nice promises and people will buy it.[/QUOTE] Experiencing a game first hand will always be superior to hearing, that I agree with. But you can just as easily see a live stream, or a bunch of videos of someone else playing the game, tons of them, actually. That should be more than enough to actually get a feeling of how the game is, and if the game is worth playing. Thing is, demos themselves also work just by promises alone. You can easily make a bad game with a single good segment, and then shove that segment into the demo game. (Duke Nukem Forever comes to mind). Even with the demo, you're not guaranteed that what you experience in the demo is what you experience in the game. However, just like with faked trailers, gameplay videos, the word of mouth will call out that bullshit near-instantly. As for early access, people buy those because they like what is already given on top of being inspired to buy it by the things that are going to come. [editline]yes[/editline] [QUOTE=Kljunas;44903650]Good job missing his point entirely. If someone can't buy the game because they can't afford it (or some other reason) them pirating it will make no difference.[/QUOTE] This is a common misunderstanding, it does make a difference. You buy the game to receive a certain hour amount of entertainment, we can even call it that you pay money for a service. You don't pay money, but you download the game, that means you get the service they had a staff hired to make, that staff then spent time to make it. Time that they get paid for. If you buy a game, the money spent on development is repaid a slight amount and you get the product. If you do not buy the game, the money spent on development is not repaid at all and you get nothing from it. If you pirate the game, the money spent on development is not repaid at all and you get the product. In short, you pirating the game results in wasting the staffs time and money.

[QUOTE=Purple Robot;44903685]In a world where money is tight, someone that makes minimum wage is obviously going to waste money on a 60$ game, instead of essentials.[/QUOTE] but omg if someones so poor why does he play videogames?

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903663]when game developers sell art for 19 euros [thumb]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rHo0kOLjH6k/UjLLs0wOPyI/AAAAAAAAAiI/GTnNvCMJCMo/s1600/transistor_movie_poster_dark_straightI_1.png[/thumb] you really start to wonder what really costs 60 dollars/50 euros on rehashes and sequels year by year[/QUOTE] You're comparing Watch Dogs to Transistor? Come on.

[QUOTE=Purple Robot;44903685]In a world where money is tight, someone that makes minimum wage is obviously going to waste money on a 60$ game, instead of essentials.[/QUOTE] There's a myriad of other games -- which aren't overhyped 60$ AAA productions -- that people can buy too... there's even free games.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903726]You're comparing Watch Dogs to Transistor? Come on.[/QUOTE] Transistor probably has more replayibility than a 60 dollar game, has a UNIQUE art style, and has a nice mix of turn based strategy and beat em up. I'd rather spend money on this, and support a small developer team, than someone like ubisoft who will pull in profit from console releases alone. He's comparing them because he has a point, someone selling brilliant art for the same price as the game, totals it to around 40$ the same price watch dogs is in the us if you used a coupon on GMG, this is a better offer. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44903736]There's a myriad of other games -- which aren't overhyped 60$ AAA productions -- that people can buy too... there's even free games.[/QUOTE] But this entire discussion is about the 60$ AAA productions you are speaking of. I'm all for supporting small developers who make great games. But ubisoft has pulled so much shit it's unbelievable.

If you earn so little money you can't afford to buy AAA, you should not be playing AAA anyway. Games are a luxury and if you can't afford it does not mean you can just take it for free and go "I'm poor". If it was a necessity like bread and you stole a loaf, meh whatever. But if you pirate games with the excuse of being poor you just have a terribly invalid excuse. How can you even afford a PC good enough if you can barely scrape for bills and food? [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Purple Robot;44903746] But this entire discussion is about the 60$ AAA productions you are speaking of. I'm all for supporting small developers who make great games. But ubisoft has pulled so much shit it's unbelievable.[/QUOTE] If you don't support them, do not buy the game. This does not give you an excuse to pirate and play it anyway though.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903765]If you earn so little money you can't afford to buy AAA, you should not be playing AAA anyway. Games are a luxury and if you can't afford it does not mean you can just take it for free and go "I'm poor". If it was a necessity like bread and you stole a loaf, meh whatever. But if you pirate games with the excuse of being poor you just have a terribly invalid excuse. How can you even afford a PC good enough if you can barely scrape for bills and food? [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] If you don't support them, do not buy the game. This does not give you an excuse to pirate and play it anyway though.[/QUOTE] this is exactly what I sarcastically posted a few posts ago how can you sit on a high horse when the horse is literally "if you're poor, why play video games"

This just in if you're poor you aren't allowed to have fun. Escapism is for people with money, otherwise get lost you peasant.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903782]This just in if you're poor you aren't allowed to have fun. Escapism is for people with money, otherwise get lost you peasant.[/QUOTE] this please forgive me master itisjuly for thinking im more than subhuman

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903765]If you earn so little money you can't afford to buy AAA, you should not be playing AAA anyway. Games are a luxury[/QUOTE] [t]http://www.fpsprofs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts2.jpg[/t][t]http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/battlefield_4_china_rising-wide.jpg[/t] "Luxury"

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903776]this is exactly what I sarcastically posted a few posts ago how can you sit on a high horse when the horse is literally "if you're poor, why play video games"[/QUOTE]More like "do not use being poor as an excuse to perform illegal activities". It is the worst excuse ever. "Omg I'm so poor I can't buy games" *pulls out his i7/titan rig*

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903782]This just in if you're poor you aren't allowed to have fun. Escapism is for people with money, otherwise get lost you peasant.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of great indie games that are super cheap on Steam, there's the humble bundles, there are other stores with tons of great titles (GoG, Desura...) You don't have to be such a sarcastic asshole and imply we were insulting people. Please. [QUOTE=Purple Robot;44903746] But this entire discussion is about the 60$ AAA productions you are speaking of. I'm all for supporting small developers who make great games. But ubisoft has pulled so much shit it's unbelievable.[/QUOTE] I think Watch Dogs deserves to be neither bought nor pirated

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903787][t]http://www.fpsprofs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts2.jpg[/t][t]http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/battlefield_4_china_rising-wide.jpg[/t] "Luxury"[/QUOTE] So you pirate them and play them anyway? Lol

[QUOTE=Purple Robot;44903746]Transistor probably has more replayibility than a 60 dollar game, has a UNIQUE art style, and has a nice mix of turn based strategy and beat em up. I'd rather spend money on this, and support a small developer team, than someone like ubisoft who will pull in profit from console releases alone. He's comparing them because he has a point, someone selling brilliant art for the same price as the game, totals it to around 40$ the same price watch dogs is in the us if you used a coupon on GMG, this is a better offer.[/QUOTE] He is comparing an indie developed game with an AAA game. There is a large budget difference between these and with the smaller budget, the price is also smaller because the possibility of a loss isn't as large. [QUOTE=Purple Robot;44903746] But this entire discussion is about the 60$ AAA productions you are speaking of. I'm all for supporting small developers who make great games. But ubisoft has pulled so much shit it's unbelievable.[/QUOTE] What shit did Ubisoft pull, actually? As far as I know, the majority of their games are solid and really fun. I mean, there is U-play which was kind of shit but that's every single DRM system anyway. But even then, the DRM is changing to be less intrusive. [editline]Yes[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903782]This just in if you're poor you aren't allowed to have fun. Escapism is for people with money, otherwise get lost you peasant.[/QUOTE] You are capable of having fun even if you're poor. There are plenty of other games everywhere, old, indie, smaller budget ones rather than AAA games. Let me ask you this question : Why would you be looking at high budget, launch title games which are guaranteed to cost a large amount if you're poor and thus are looking for ways to save money?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903800]So you pirate them and play them anyway? Lol[/QUOTE] No, I don't play them at all because they're terrible games, as a majority of AAA games are. My whole point is that AAA games are not "luxury".

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903793]More like "do not use being poor as an excuse to perform illegal activities". It is the worst excuse ever. "Omg I'm so poor I can't buy games" *pulls out his i7/titan rig*[/QUOTE] I'm running a core 2 from 2010 and a radeon 6x series the best part of my computer is my 4 gigabytes of ram what are you trying to prove here, that I'm not poor? good on you

[QUOTE=WaRRioRTF;44903802] What shit did Ubisoft pull, actually? As far as I know, the majority of their games are solid and really fun. I mean, there is U-play which was kind of shit but that's every single DRM system anyway. But even then, the DRM is changing to be less intrusive.[/QUOTE] People are crying about various editions with crappy skins in them. Entitled gamers much. [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Egevened;44903813]I'm running a core 2 from 2010 and a radeon 6x series the best part of my computer is my 4 gigabytes of ram what are you trying to prove here, that I'm not poor? good on you[/QUOTE] You can't even play watchdogs at decent rate in that case. Why pirate it?

I bet you guys probably buy your music too [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=itisjuly;44903814]People are crying about various editions with crappy skins in them. Entitled gamers much. [editline]25th May 2014[/editline] You can't even play watchdogs at decent rate in that case. Why pirate it?[/QUOTE] who said I pirated watch dogs

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903793]More like "do not use being poor as an excuse to perform illegal activities". It is the worst excuse ever. "Omg I'm so poor I can't buy games" *pulls out his i7/titan rig*[/QUOTE] I'm poor and I have an i7/XFX7950/16GB RAM. Only reason I can afford it is because of a payment plan that allows me to pay less sums every month, which I can as such afford. Why did I get a good PC? Because it's vital for my work and future job. It's an investment. That doesn't mean I'm not poor. Stop making shitty assumptions.

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903819] who said I pirated watch dogs[/QUOTE] You're saying that if you're poor you are entitled to pirate products that cost money.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903814]People are crying about various editions with crappy skins in them. Entitled gamers much.[/QUOTE] I didn't even pirate watchdogs, plus, i'm not crying about skins, i'm crying about the bullshots and the DRM. You are such a self-entitled prick it's not even funny. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903825]I'm poor and I have an i7/XFX7950/16GB RAM. Only reason I can afford it is because of a payment plan that allows me to pay less sums every month, which I can as such afford. Why did I get a good PC? Because it's vital for my work and future job. It's an investment. That doesn't mean I'm not poor. Stop making shitty assumptions.[/QUOTE] you got told by a time lord

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44903825]I'm poor and I have an i7/XFX7950/16GB RAM. Only reason I can afford it is because of a payment plan that allows me to pay less sums every month, which I can as such afford. Why did I get a good PC? Because it's vital for my work and future job. It's an investment. That doesn't mean I'm not poor. Stop making shitty assumptions.[/QUOTE] Hey I'm in the same bag, good pc for work stuff but not even middle class. BUT I do not use my poorness as an excuse to pirate.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903826]You're saying that if you're poor you are entitled to pirate products that cost money.[/QUOTE] no, I'm saying that there's bigger sins than video game piracy

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903844]no, I'm saying that there's bigger sins than video game piracy[/QUOTE] Now you're using the "there are more important things" argument? Just because there are people in africa dying from dehydration does not mean things closer to us are all sunshine and rainbows.

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903819]I bet you guys probably buy your music too [/QUOTE] Does Spotify count?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903838]Hey I'm in the same bag, good pc for work stuff but not even middle class. BUT I do not use my poorness as an excuse to pirate.[/QUOTE] Some things come up, maybe some guy had enough money to buy a pc, then him or his family has money problems, and he either has to A. Help out his family or B. Live off minimum wage.