Watch_Dogs torrent secretly installing a Bitcoin miner on thousands of computers - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903954]When I'm clicking the download button on a torrent, I will think of itisjuly, laying in my chair, wondering about the meaning of his words. As the seeds appear, I will whisper - [i]I am poor.[/i][/QUOTE] While you do that, imagine me in a nazi uniform or something, oppressing the poor.

What if you watch a let's play on youtube ? You're not playing the game, instead you're watching other people do it for you. You're making the publishers lose money - even worse, you're making other people get money through ad revenue while the publisher gets nothing. Watching let's plays on youtube is evil.

[QUOTE=wewt!;44903959]Are you seriously giving a Latvian shit for having 320€ minimum wage? Are you kidding me? Also, you're from hungary, the minimum wage there is 330€ , whereas for Latvia it is actually 280€ Which is incredibly low for both[/QUOTE] Actually it's €320 in Latvia.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;44903957]I'm cool with the redistribution of resources as much as the next guy, but it doesn't matter how much you're against capitalism & the man; there is [I]no[/I] human right to playing a fucking video game. Just man up and admit that you're doing a shitty thing when you appropriate the hard work of the artists who produced the game. [I]Obviously[/I] it's not the same as stealing a car/material object, but either way you're placing your rights to play a video game above the creative rights of the developers which is just not ok.[/QUOTE] this is a very decent argument, but it has been mentioned several times in the thread by people that do pirate, that they give money to the artists that they think deserve merit. it's one step down from paying the price instantly, I'll give you that, but considering how today's video game marketing works...

From what I've seen people usually end up buying the games they liked that they pirated. Maybe not right away, sometimes after months or years even, but they eventually come around it. There is the issue of it not being full price anymore though. Then again you could argue that if not for the pirating they wouldn't have bought it at all.

[QUOTE=strazyyy;44903977]Actually it's €320 in Latvia.[/QUOTE] my bad, it's still too low to justify getting shit for it

[QUOTE=proch;44903980]From what I've seen people usually end up buying the games they liked that they pirated. Maybe not right away, sometimes after months or years even, but they eventually come around it. There is the issue of it not being full price anymore though. Then again you could argue that if not for the pirating they wouldn't have bought it at all.[/QUOTE] It really does like that. I myself bought games like skyrim or dark souls just because i really fucking enjoyed them.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44903961]While you do that, imagine me in a nazi uniform or something, oppressing the poor.[/QUOTE] ssh dont tell anyone but i pirated mspaint... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JGJuKSn.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903975]What if you watch a let's play on youtube ? You're not playing the game, instead you're watching other people do it for you. You're making the publishers lose money - even worse, you're making other people get money through ad revenue while the publisher gets nothing. Watching let's plays on youtube is evil.[/QUOTE] It is if the developers don't give you permission to do so. Most developers obviously would because it's great publicity. You don't seem to be understanding the key issue here: it's the rights of the developer to protect their intellectual property. Profit isn't the issue.

[QUOTE=Purple Robot;44903990][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JGJuKSn.png[/IMG] SSH dont tell anyone but i torrented mspaint on this computer....[/QUOTE] doesnt have enough boxed copy games

so guys, is Watch Dogs worth buying or pirating...?

movie piracy is a hundred times bigger issue, and I doubt that everyone in this thread advocating full price purchases, always, has never torrented a goddamn movie

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903997]doesnt have enough boxed copy games[/QUOTE] why would he need boxed copy games when there's GOG and Steam :^)

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903978]this is a very decent argument, but it has been mentioned several times in the thread by people that do pirate, that they give money to the artists that they think deserve merit. it's one step down from paying the price instantly, I'll give you that, but considering how today's video game marketing works...[/QUOTE] If I produced a game by myself, I [I]deserve[/I] payment whether you like the game or not, if you're playing it... You as the consumer don't get to decide whether you should pay for goods or not... that's just insane

[QUOTE=omagh;44904003]so guys, is Watch Dogs worth buying or pirating...?[/QUOTE] watch dogs is a great game, I've played it on my friend's xbox360. if you didn't listen to the hype, it might become one of your favorites this year

Arguing about the morality of piracy or what they should or should not do is completely pointless, end of the day most serious pirates don't give a shit, absolutely nothing that is said or done is going to change that. Certainly improving service is going to reduce piracy but it's never going to be a total fix. In my personal experience I used to almost entirely pirate games simply because I didn't have the money to afford them, is this wrong? of course, do I care? no not really. Now days with Steam and more money I often find myself buying games when there is a sale on, although the only time I spend more than about £15 is when I know the game is going to be really good (I.E Skyrim) or when I am unable to pirate it (which is extremely rare), I often buy games I have previously pirated simply because I like using Steam. As for software and music I still pirate 100% of that, nothing is going to convince me to do otherwise.

[QUOTE=Egevened;44904006]movie piracy is a hundred times bigger issue, and I doubt that everyone in this thread advocating full price purchases, always, has never torrented a goddamn movie[/QUOTE] Movies are best enjoyed in theaters anyway. Arguably pirating a camrip gives you far worse experience. Do movies profit much from boxed copies anyway? Most of their dosh seems to come from theatrical releases.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;44904009]If I produced a game by myself, I [I]deserve[/I] payment whether you like the game or not, if you're playing it... You as the consumer don't get to decide whether you should pay for goods or not... that's just insane[/QUOTE] I'm not advocating what I said there, but it's the reality for many people

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44903975]What if you watch a let's play on youtube ? You're not playing the game, instead you're watching other people do it for you. You're making the publishers lose money - even worse, you're making other people get money through ad revenue while the publisher gets nothing. Watching let's plays on youtube is evil.[/QUOTE] Are you just going to jump from one point to another when you can't find another way to respond to it? You do not pay for the experience or the service, and you're not experiencing the service yourself. You're not playing the game. You're watching someone else play it, who possibly plays completely different way from you, does it different from you. Basically, you're not actually experiencing the game. On top of all that, a lets play video has a human being with a personality behind it, and the person behind it paid money for the game to make that lets play. You don't make other people gain money through ad revenue for playing the game, you make them gain for the time they spent playing, recording and editing. The publisher gains publicity as a result, which results in more potential buyers.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;44904013]Arguing about the morality of piracy or what they should or should not do is completely pointless, end of the day most serious pirates don't give a shit, absolutely nothing that is said or done is going to change that. Certainly improving service is going to reduce piracy but it's never going to be a total fix. In my personal experience I used to almost entirely pirate games simply because I didn't have the money to afford them, is this wrong? of course, do I care? no not really. Now days with Steam and more money I often find myself buying games when there is a sale on, although the only time I spend more than about £15 is when I know the game is going to be really good (I.E Skyrim) or when I am unable to pirate it (which is extremely rare), I often buy games I have previously pirated simply because I like using Steam. As for software and music I still pirate 100% of that, nothing is going to convince me to do otherwise.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing against those pirates; if they don't give a shit they don't give a shit. I'm arguing against pirates who try to justify their actions with self-entitlement.

[QUOTE=Egevened;44903997]doesnt have enough boxed copy games[/QUOTE] fixed again [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xMcDg96.png?1[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Chryseus;44904013]Arguing about the morality of piracy or what they should or should not do is completely pointless, end of the day most serious pirates don't give a shit, absolutely nothing that is said or done is going to change that. Certainly improving service is going to reduce piracy but it's never going to be a total fix. [/QUOTE] Pointless but fun. At the end of the day arguing most things on the internet won't change shit.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44904016]Movies are best enjoyed in theaters anyway. Arguably pirating a camrip gives you far worse experience. Do movies profit much from boxed copies anyway? Most of their dosh seems to come from theatrical releases.[/QUOTE] Titanic grossed 200 million in the box office "The reissue ultimately earned $343.4 million worldwide, with $145 million coming from China and $57.8 million from Canada and United States"

[QUOTE=Purple Robot;44904027]fixed[/QUOTE] Needs gamestop edition too [QUOTE=Egevened;44904033]Titanic grossed 200 million in the box office "The reissue ultimately earned $343.4 million worldwide, with $145 million coming from China and $57.8 million from Canada and United States"[/QUOTE] Why China of all places?

[QUOTE=Robbobin;44904025]I'm not arguing against those pirates; if they don't give a shit they don't give a shit. I'm arguing against pirates who try to justify their actions with self-entitlement.[/QUOTE] So, care to tell me why do game producers feel entitled to rip off european customers?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44904035]Needs gamestop edition too[/QUOTE] fuck im wasting like 2 minutes in mspaint -snip look up-

[QUOTE=Purple Robot;44904046]fuck im wasting like 2 minutes in mspaint[/QUOTE] Can you make me avatar version for blues somehow please?

[QUOTE=strazyyy;44904008]why would he need boxed copy games when there's GOG and Steam :^)[/QUOTE] And just so you know, you don't own any game you have on steam :^)

[QUOTE=Amic;44904058]And just so you know, you don't own any game you have on steam :^)[/QUOTE] Does this mean my life has been a lie

[QUOTE=Robbobin;44904025]I'm not arguing against those pirates; if they don't give a shit they don't give a shit. I'm arguing against pirates who try to justify their actions with self-entitlement.[/QUOTE] In that case I would agree with you, there is very little justification for stealing.