Woman Pushes Stranger off Train Platform and Under a Train in New York
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[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;39001511]It would be easier and safer to close off the area with glass and automated doors like they do in some countries.[/QUOTE]
The problem with that is the train has to stop in roughly the same place on the platform every time.
I dont really see an issue with a steel cable attached to retracting posts (other than people tripping over the cable when boarding the train if they are clumsy enough), at-least it would give someone something to hold onto if they were pushed
[QUOTE=ac/14;39001592]The problem with that is the train has to stop in roughly the same place on the platform every time.
I dont really see an issue with a steel cable attached to retracting posts (other than people tripping over the cable when boarding the train if they are clumsy enough), at-least it would give someone something to hold onto if they were pushed[/QUOTE]
What, there's sensors that tells the train where to stop.
Plus, its just a small hassle. Better than having people falling over.
[QUOTE=kaine123;39001296]I suppose they could have a system where a sensor could detect if there's any large mass on the train tracks in front of the station and automatically stop any incoming trains.[/QUOTE]
'Modern' metro systems actually have these. First off, the trains are all fully automated and don't have drivers. The trains slow down to a crawl before entering the station. Furthermore, if the sensors detect anything on the rails, the train would just stop and won't enter the station at all.
This is one reason why the NYC public transportation system scares me.
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[QUOTE=aydin690;39001653]'Modern' metro systems actually have these. First off, the trains are all fully automated and don't have drivers. The trains slow down to a crawl before entering the station. Furthermore, if the sensors detect anything on the rails, the train would just stop and won't enter the station at all.[/QUOTE]
What about rats. That wouldn't work in NYC with all of them.
I was waiting for a BART train (California Bay Area equivalent to a subway system) and I suddenly remembered that article about the man being pushed onto the train tracks, which made paranoid and I stepped back away from the edge of the platform.
I'm surprised with how many witnesses there were that none of them stopped the woman.
bystander effect, maybe
[QUOTE=Steven :D;39001666]What about rats. That wouldn't work in NYC with all of them.[/QUOTE]
Rats almost NEVER go on the rails, they always travel under them or in the middle of them. They're so big they'd probably fall off anyways.
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Its totally worth the upgrade.
[QUOTE=ac/14;39001592]The problem with that is the train has to stop in roughly the same place on the platform every time.
I dont really see an issue with a steel cable attached to retracting posts (other than people tripping over the cable when boarding the train if they are clumsy enough), at-least it would give someone something to hold onto if they were pushed[/QUOTE]
or people could just stay away from the edge? I mean it's harder to pull someone all the way from the opposite wall to the edge than it is just push someone who's five feet away from it.
[QUOTE=BoxinShrimp;39001428]How exactly do you know that she was mentally ill? Plenty of people these days kill for absolutely no reason.[/QUOTE]
How the hell did you come to the conclusion that killing for absolutely no reason isn't the product of some sort of mental illness?
Like did you even read your own post before you submitted it?
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Its totally worth the upgrade.[/QUOTE]
If NY subway wanted to implement those, then they'd have to upgrade their entire system (new trains, new command center, possibly new rails, etc). Those things require automated trains that can stop accurately every time. That can easily add up to billions. I don't think you can get that kind of funding in this economy. Also, generally speaking, public transportation is pretty shit all over the US.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;39001723]I'm surprised with how many witnesses there were that none of them stopped the woman.
bystander effect, maybe[/QUOTE]
I imagine everyone was too shocked and distracted by the sight of a man getting hit by a train to try and apprehend her.
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Sounds like she might have been nuts or something
In before "Ban trains" - we don't need to hear that shit[/QUOTE]
ban crazy
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the fact that these aren't standard in all subway stations bugs me
[QUOTE=aydin690;39001816]If NY subway wanted to implement those, then they'd have to upgrade their entire system (new trains, new command center, possibly new rails, etc). Those things require automated trains that can stop accurately every time. That can easily add up to billions. I don't think you can get that kind of funding in this economy. Also, generally speaking, public transportation is pretty shit all over the US.[/QUOTE]
NYC Subway is already getting ATC/ATO, scheduled completion by 2016. I think it already has ATS
why do people stand next to the rails?
i've never ridden a train but is there some unspoken rule that you have to be standing near the edge?
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[QUOTE=latin_geek;39001788]or people could just stay away from the edge? I mean it's harder to pull someone all the way from the opposite wall to the edge than it is just push someone who's five feet away from it.[/QUOTE]
this guy gets it
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;39001723]I'm surprised with how many witnesses there were that none of them stopped the woman.
bystander effect, maybe[/QUOTE]
From the article, she just walked up behind him and pushed, it's not like she got into a fight with him. Normally, somebody walking up to a train just intends to board it, not push somebody under it. It's not too surprising that onlookers were shocked by what happened.
And that's assuming they even had time to help, the train was already in the station according to the article.
[QUOTE=JerryK;39002252]why do people stand next to the rails?
[B]i've never ridden a train but is there some unspoken rule that you have to be standing near the edge?[/B]
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this guy gets it[/QUOTE]
No. But that doesn't mean you should be pushed on to the tracks just because you are 2 feet away from them.
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[QUOTE=TheBrokenHobo;39001303]I always wondered, is there any way to avoid getting killed if you're on the tracks and a train is coming?
I mean obviously most people that get pushed onto tracks aren't going to be thinking straight but still it would be cool to know if there was a way to survive.[/QUOTE]
Get right underneath it.
why dont we just put bouncy castles on the front of trains
you fall off and just get bounced across tracks softly!
save millions of lifes
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Its totally worth the upgrade.[/QUOTE]
Wish we had this in Stockholm. Sometimes it gets so crowded you almost have to walk on the edge of the platform. Which I refuse to do. You'd think with the amount of money people pay to ride the Subway here in Sweden they would do this. But nope.
A three month card to the subway + busses costs $230 and that's the STUDENT CARD.
How about something like a railing that extends from the ground when the train passes? It doesn't need to be coordinated with the doors.
Or even simpler - a cushion in front of the train that extends when it reaches a station and pulls back/up when traveling.
Or EVEN simpler - the trains slows down to a crawl before reaching the station and then coasts along until it reaches its stopping point. This way, the train can be stopped almost immediately if something were to happen (I'm thinking 10-15 km/h)
[QUOTE=aydin690;39001816]If NY subway wanted to implement those, then they'd have to upgrade their entire system (new trains, new command center, possibly new rails, etc). Those things require automated trains that can stop accurately every time. That can easily add up to billions. I don't think you can get that kind of funding in this economy. Also, generally speaking, public transportation is pretty shit all over the US.[/QUOTE]
Or do the same thing the japs do since decades ago. There is some kind of measurement board at the end of the train station where the train driver can tell exactly where to stop. By the time the train reaches the board it will already be at a crawling speed so unless the driver fucks up, the stopping accuracy quite is high.
And this is why I never stand up at the platforms and always lean against a wall or sit on any availible benches in case of crazies.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;39003311]Wish we had this in Stockholm. Sometimes it gets so crowded you almost have to walk on the edge of the platform. Which I refuse to do. You'd think with the amount of money people pay to ride the Subway here in Sweden they would do this. But nope.
A three month card to the subway + busses costs $230 and that's the STUDENT CARD.[/QUOTE]
Same with the trains on the west coast. Not that unusual that the platform is crowded from edge to edge. Especially scary when you got a train just passing though without stopping. Especially especially with fast moving cargotrains
[QUOTE=bob4life;39001321]Jesus, bullshit like this is so unfair.
You live your entire life, childhood, teenager years and all that shit, just to have it all ended by some spontaneous action of some crazy fucker.
It just isnt right.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to life.
[QUOTE=TheBrokenHobo;39001303]I always wondered, is there any way to avoid getting killed if you're on the tracks and a train is coming?
I mean obviously most people that get pushed onto tracks aren't going to be thinking straight but still it would be cool to know if there was a way to survive.[/QUOTE]
Aren't the rails electrified? You'd be pretty stuffed either way.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;39003402]Welcome to life.[/QUOTE]
The sad, but true, truth.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;39001788]or people could just stay away from the edge? I mean it's harder to pull someone all the way from the opposite wall to the edge than it is just push someone who's five feet away from it.[/QUOTE]
You probably haven't been in a crowded subway station before.
I was shitting myself in London with all that people waiting for the train.
What I don't get is why you people don't have suicide pits yet like we Brits do?
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;39003411]Aren't the rails electrified? You'd be pretty stuffed either way.[/QUOTE]
The third rail's electrified. Not all of them. And it depends on which system it uses - some are safer, some... Not so much.
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