Woman Pushes Stranger off Train Platform and Under a Train in New York
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[QUOTE=Stopper;39003476]The third rail's electrified. Not all of them. And it depends on which system it uses - some are safer, some... Not so much.
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scariest one is top contact third rail that runs in the middle of the normal rails, so if you were ever to fall on the tracks you'll be pretty much guaranteed to either land right on it, or trip and fall onto it
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;39003492]scariest one is top contact third rail that runs in the middle of the normal rails, so if you were ever to fall on the tracks you'll be pretty much guaranteed to either land right on it, or trip and fall onto it[/QUOTE]
AFAIK, these are only used in places where there's no danger of anyone touching it - like over-the-ground stations and whatnot. I may be wrong though.
[QUOTE=TheBrokenHobo;39001348]This is a silly post. Obviously the woman was mentally ill, why do people always complain about the human race as a whole when one bad thing happens?[/QUOTE]
Because being hyperbolic and blaming a group rather than an individual is what we do best!
[QUOTE=download;39001311]Yes, because trains don't weight hundreds of tonnes and can stop instantly[/QUOTE]
this is why we need some super polarised magnetic brakes or something.
I don't understand who designed these train stations. I work as a heavy machinery design engineer and we have to cover every single nip point, or any point where there are parts moving with guards, how come regulations aren't as strict for train stations? There's constantly people falling into them.
Then again, there is no reason to be standing on the edge of the platform before the train stopped moving. Unless your'e in China or India or something and need to make sure to fit in the train.
[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;39001511]It would be easier and safer to close off the area with glass and automated doors like they do in some countries.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they also do this in airports and people rarely get thrown off the plane and crushed by the ground. I'm not sure why something like that is implemented almost everywhere for planes but not for trains...
[QUOTE=ac/14;39001394]How many more is it going to take untill they put up automatic railings.
even made a picture
[t]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20218574/reall%20that%20hard.gif[/t]
Would that really be that difficult to do.[/QUOTE]
Some places already have glass walls with doors, so when the train stops, the train doors match with the glass doors and all open at the same time, making it impossible for someone to fall on the tracks.
[QUOTE=Linda,Octopus;39003413]The sad, but true, truth.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to a sad, but untrue, truth?
So I guess I should be careful of people mumbling to themselves on train stations.
>find woman
>send to north korea for punishment
>north korea needs slave workers anyway,or a target practice to get their mortars more precise
[QUOTE=download;39001311]Yes, because trains don't weight hundreds of tonnes and can stop instantly[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLRNYIT42ig[/media]
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;39003311]Wish we had this in Stockholm. Sometimes it gets so crowded you almost have to walk on the edge of the platform. Which I refuse to do. You'd think with the amount of money people pay to ride the Subway here in Sweden they would do this. But nope.
A three month card to the subway + busses costs $230 and that's the STUDENT CARD.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention all the ice/snow buildup on the platforms, i have seen firsthand people slipping and ending up on the edge/tracks because theres literally nothing stopping you and nothings done about the ice, shits scary as fuck when you take the subway every day
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39003536]this is why we need some super polarised magnetic brakes or something.[/QUOTE]
And then the train stops so violently that ten passengers die.
[QUOTE=shian;39001780][img]http://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/268818/thumbnail/gates_installed_at_platform_but_still_not_used-thumbnail.jpg[/img]Its totally worth the upgrade.[/QUOTE] We have those in some places along the London underground
[QUOTE=aydin690;39001816]If NY subway wanted to implement those, then they'd have to upgrade their entire system (new trains, new command center, possibly new rails, etc). Those things require automated trains that can stop accurately every time. That can easily add up to billions. I don't think you can get that kind of funding in this economy. Also, generally speaking, public transportation is pretty shit all over the US.[/QUOTE]
OK well maybe not automated doors, but just the walls. It's better than nothing when its purpose is to save lives.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;39001723]I'm surprised with how many witnesses there were that none of them stopped the woman.
bystander effect, maybe[/QUOTE]
I'll go ahead and tell you that when you see somebody about to die you really don't know what to do at the moment, you think maybe you could do something to stop it but no unless you're an extreme hardass you just stand there confused.
This is starting to become an all too common thing. They really need to add those glass walls and doors you see in many European stations or some other additional safety feature to help prevent someone from easily getting from the platform to the tracks.
Keep dreaming everybody, nobody is going to waste time and money to put up those rails or walls. Sure it's sad if a few people die but in the end they save more money if people die than installing walls. That's how it works.
Look I'm not being heartless I would prefer to have the walls up also but it will be years before something bigscale like this will take place.
[QUOTE=YourFriendJoe;39005664]Keep dreaming everybody, nobody is going to waste time and money to put up those rails or walls. Sure it's sad if a few people die but in the end they save more money if people die than installing walls. That's how it works.
Look I'm not being heartless I would prefer to have the walls up also but it will be years before something bigscale like this will take place.[/QUOTE]
It's not like other countries haven't done this. I know at least in Seoul the subways all have a glass partition between the platform and the tracks.
Doesn't the paris metro use those kind of glass panes in most of its stations?
Can't really remember.
[QUOTE=aydin690;39001816]If NY subway wanted to implement those, then they'd have to upgrade their entire system (new trains, new command center, possibly new rails, etc). Those things require automated trains that can stop accurately every time. That can easily add up to billions. I don't think you can get that kind of funding in this economy. Also, generally speaking, public transportation is pretty shit all over the US.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure the London underground had these long before it got automated trains.
The glass doors are wider then the train doors which allows for the train to be slightly inaccurate.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39003536]this is why we need some super polarised magnetic brakes or something.[/QUOTE]
The G force generating by stopping instantly while going so fast would probably fling everyone across the train cart and likely injure/kill more people than it stopped to save.
[editline]28th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE]And then the train stops so violently that ten passengers die. [/QUOTE]
Ninja'd like shit
[QUOTE=Rar;39008470]I'm pretty sure the London underground had these long before it got automated trains.
The glass doors are wider then the train doors which allows for the train to be slightly inaccurate.[/QUOTE]
this, it would solve the problem and it wouldn't be expensive to boot.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;39001723]I'm surprised with how many witnesses there were that none of them stopped the woman.
bystander effect, maybe[/QUOTE]
If you mean they didn't stop her from escaping, then yes. If you mean, stopping her from pushing the man - she did it right before the train came, so there really wasn't any time for anyone to react.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;39001788]or people could just stay away from the edge? I mean it's harder to pull someone all the way from the opposite wall to the edge than it is just push someone who's five feet away from it.[/QUOTE]
Wtf you argue that we should expect all people to be good and not have to worry about things like this and then you say this???
I'm still confident in the SkyTrain's 27 year old track intrusion system.
[QUOTE=YourFriendJoe;39005664]Keep dreaming everybody, nobody is going to waste time and money to put up those rails or walls. Sure it's sad if a few people die but in the end they save more money if people die than installing walls. That's how it works.
Look I'm not being heartless I would prefer to have the walls up also but it will be years before something bigscale like this will take place.[/QUOTE]
A cheap and effective way to combat this would to make a concave area under the raised platform that people could roll under to escape an oncoming train. Throw a one-way escape hatch in the floor and bam.
Im glad I dont have to commute with subways like these without barriers. I would stay the fuck away from the track until the train is completly still at the platform.
I swear I contemplate diving and tackling people when I'm on the subway because they pace around the edge like they're about to jump in and when the train rolls in they stand right on the edge and act tough like they don't care and I think they're about to commit suicide.
[QUOTE=YourFriendJoe;39005664]Keep dreaming everybody, nobody is going to waste time and money to put up those rails or walls. Sure it's sad if a few people die but in the end they save more money if people die than installing walls. That's how it works.
Look I'm not being heartless I would prefer to have the walls up also but it will be years before something bigscale like this will take place.[/QUOTE]
It's not as if walls are terribly expensive, and basic safety measures are sort, you know, worth it. The board of health and safety exists to prevent easily avoidable deaths, much like this one. Platforms should have walls.
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