[QUOTE]In the posts she revealed her father and step-mother blamed her for the accident and for [B]becoming a burden and restricted who she could see[/B].[/QUOTE]
This line pissed me off.
[QUOTE=Hanso;34725153]This line pissed me off.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=AllNamesTaken;34725237]You piss me off.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any kind of point here or are you just here to insult people and post propaganda posters?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34724706]But you're creating a system where it could become socially expected not to be a burden, 30 years down the line.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/euthanasia/against/against_1.shtml#h10[/url]
There are many more potential issues as well.
(Not that I disagree with the right to die, just playing devils advocate)[/QUOTE]
All of that is theorycrafting on what could possibly be the case without any tangible argument against it. Additionally, Euthanasia's been allowed in amongst others Switzerland and the Netherlands for decades and while yes ofcourse there've been isolated cases of being pressured into euthanasia the vast majority hasn't follow their doomscenario at all.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34725510]All of that is theorycrafting on what could possibly be the case without any tangible argument against it. Additionally, Euthanasia's been allowed in amongst others Switzerland and the Netherlands for decades and while yes ofcourse there've been isolated cases of being pressured into euthanasia the vast majority hasn't follow their doomscenario at all.[/QUOTE]
A few cases is a few too many.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34725510]All of that is theorycrafting on what could possibly be the case without any tangible argument against it. Additionally, Euthanasia's been allowed in amongst others Switzerland and the Netherlands for decades and while yes ofcourse there've been isolated cases of being pressured into euthanasia the vast majority hasn't follow their doomscenario at all.[/QUOTE]
Euthanasia is [B]not[/B] legal in Switzerland.
Swiss law only allows providing means to commit suicide.
There is a clear difference.
And what do you mean there isn't any tangible argument against it?
Her parent's are terrible. How the fuck can they have such an insensitive view about their own daughter? I can't believe this:
[quote=her blog]From the moment my parents (dad and stepmom) entered the ER, drama ensued. My parents were in shock, and livid. They lashed out, at me, my cousin, my aunt and uncle (who were jerked into the middle of everything), and Jimmy. They berated me, for being so careless, and irresponsible. They couldn't believe I had been so foolish. They guilted me, over and over, about the drinking, and the ugliness, just magnified, as the gravity of my injury, became more apparent. I was never going to walk again. I was going to be completely paralyzed, confined to a wheelchair, and a life of dependence, for the REST of my life. I had thrown my life away, with one stupid mistake. They were furious, about what I had done, and were vicious, treating Jimmy, and my cousin like criminals, for "letting it happen" and "being a part of it." They didn't want him to see me, and used their power, as my next of kin, to force him out, and keep him away from me. They used their promise of help, as leverage, to keep him from being able to talk to me, or see me.
My parents let their grief blind them, with rage. Even though I was on my death bed, and my life hung by a thread (I was intubated, and placed on a vent three times, and had to undergo three major surgeries) they told me I was not allowed to see him, and that I should break things off with him. They blamed him, for everything, from my drinking, to my injury. I had to tell, and retell my story, over and over again, to no avail. They didn't WANT to believe my story. They couldn't accept I was capable, of doing what I did. They felt hurt, and betrayed by my actions, because it placed a tremendous amount of responsibility onto to them, that they felt was unfair. They used the fact that I was going to need their help, to explain my condition to work, shut down apartment, handle my financial responsibilities, sell my car, pack up my things, and the tremendous uncertainty of what kind of care I'd ultimately need, and how to go about initiating, and paying for those services. I had no choice, but to give them Power of Attorney.
They were extremely insensitive to my feelings. They basically kicked Jimmy out, Christy and my mother and sisters (who had traveled from upstate NY and PA) and had no where else to stay, onto the curb, and shut down the apartment, before I even left ICU. They confiscated my cell phone, and camera. They didn't even let Jimmy get his belongings, from the apartment. Jimmy had no choice, but to return to his parent's house, in PA. He was crushed, completely in shock, and devastated. He would drive hours, nearly every day, to try and come see me, only to be turned away, if my parents were present. They threatened me, saying they wouldn't help me, if I continued to see him. They told my mother and sisters, to lie to me, and say he'd left me. They refused.
I was an emotional wreck. I couldn't believe the guilt, and shame they were dumping on me. My stepmom, had even read through my diary, and threw things in my face. My heart was shattered, my soul was trembling. I couldn't believe MY own father, and stepmom were acting this way. I could die, at any moment, and they were busy yelling at me, for drinking, for being stupid, and completely disregarding my feelings towards Jimmy, and the other half of my family. I was crushed. I thought, these people are SUPPOSED to love me, unconditionally. How, and why, was this happening? I hated how they were acting, and how awful they were treating the people I cared about. I felt trapped, between all parties, and felt no matter what I did, I would be in pain.[/quote]
Wtf? That's fucking horrible! You're seeing your daughter, paralyzed, for the first time, and the only thing they can think to say is how selfish she is for an accident?
[QUOTE=Aetna;34725766]Her parent's are terrible. How the fuck can they have such an insensitive view about their own daughter? I can't believe this:
Wtf? That's fucking horrible! You're seeing your daughter, paralyzed, for the first time, and the only thing they can think to say is how selfish she is for an accident?[/QUOTE]
What absolute pathetic excuses for parents.
[QUOTE=Aetna;34725766]Her parent's are terrible. How the fuck can they have such an insensitive view about their own daughter? I can't believe this:
Wtf? That's fucking horrible! You're seeing your daughter, paralyzed, for the first time, and the only thing they can think to say is how selfish she is for an accident?[/QUOTE]
It's funny how the more you read about this case the more Euthanasia would have been wrong.
Her abusive parents made her want to die. And people talk like coercion doesn't exist?
On the subject of euthanasia, I think it should be similar to organ donation, where you state that you want to be euthanised in certain circumstances where you cannot communicate your wishes with your carer, such as severe brain damage etc.
Change "Sensationalist" to "Ruin-your-day" headlines.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34725728]Euthanasia is [B]not[/B] legal in Switzerland.
Swiss law only allows providing means to commit suicide.
There is a clear difference.
And what do you mean there isn't any tangible argument against it?[/QUOTE]
Assisted suicide is effectively what euthanasia is. Euthanasia only happens when the person is too weak to commit suicide/otherwise incapable of committing suicide. The only real difference is in the name.
No tangible argument in the sense that every single argument against it (as far as I'm aware) is all "what could possibly happen/might happen" or 'simply' a matter of beliefs/morals which differ from person to person and as such can't be used as a solid argument.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34725585]A few cases is a few too many.[/QUOTE]
Going by that you might as well make everything illegal. You'll [b]never[/b] stop everything bad 100%, but you can minimize it.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34725893]It's funny how the more you read about this case the more Euthanasia would have been wrong.
Her abusive parents made her want to die. And people talk like coercion doesn't exist?[/QUOTE]
Her parent's didn't cause her to draw that decision, though they definitely weren't any help in trying to get her to stop thinking it's a good idea.
They should be charged with manslaughter, or one of the sub-degrees of it.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34726021]Assisted suicide is effectively what euthanasia is. Euthanasia only happens when the person is too weak to commit suicide/otherwise incapable of committing suicide. The only real difference is in the name.
No tangible argument in the sense that every single argument against it (as far as I'm aware) is all "what could possibly happen/might happen" or 'simply' a matter of beliefs/morals which differ from person to person and as such can't be used as a solid argument.
Going by that you might as well make everything illegal. You'll [B]never[/B] stop everything bad 100%, but you can minimize it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but when it comes to the government actually having an active hand in killing someone, that is when things get rather iffy. I mean there is a big difference between accidental death and intending to kill someone.
Her family is scum. While I understand the burden of having to care for a disabled person, controlling her life as if it was The Sims certainly isn't the best course of action. I wonder how her parents feel about this, making her starve herself to death due to their insensitivity and inability to be good, understanding parents.
[QUOTE=Hans-Gunther 3.;34726160]Her family is scum. While I understand the burden of having to care for a disabled person, controlling her life as if it was The Sims certainly isn't the best course of action. I wonder how her parents feel about this, making her starve herself to death due to their insensitivity and inability to be good, understanding parents.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't surprise me if their reaction is [I]"good riddance"[/I]
Well at-least according to the impression I get of them from her blog.
According to her blog, her parents eventually made amends:
[quote=her blog]The roommate I had lined up to move in next, bailed out, at the last minute, so I called on family to help me out. My mom and sister ended up leaving upstate NY, and came to stay with me. Having family around me was a nice change. I could rely on them for a lot more, and it gave me more freedom to do things my way. By this time, it was 2008, and things with my parents (dad & stepmom) had also cooled down. I had forgiven them, for everything that happened the first year after my accident, and we had moved passed the tension, and constant drama. They visited on a weekly basis, and everything was back to as "normal" as possible, given my condition.[/quote]
Still... their initial reaction is inexcusable, at least in my book. She was at the lowest point in her life, she needed nothing more than support. I understand how they felt betrayed, but that's not an emotion you allow yourself to be controlled by.
Sad indeed, I mean, there's this quadriplegic who lives on the streets in downtown Toronto.
this is the saddest thing i've ever read. poor girl. heart goes out to her.
Well, it's her life, she should have the right to end it whenever she wants.
to be honest I probably would want to end my life if I was a quadriplegic.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34727133]to be honest I probably would want to end my life if I was a quadriplegic.[/QUOTE]
She didn't end her life because she was quadriplegic, she ended her life because her family made her feel like a burden.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34727175]She didn't end her life because she was quadriplegic, she ended her life because her family made her feel like a burden.[/QUOTE]
I know that, I'm just saying if I was a quadriplegic, regardless of support, I probably would think that the physical limitations would be too much.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34727293]I know that, I'm just saying if I was a quadriplegic, regardless of support, I probably would think that the physical limitations would be too much.[/QUOTE]
Personally I'd just live through it an hope a medical break through comes about that can fix it. Better quadriplegic than dead.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34727329]Personally I'd just live through it an hope a medical break through comes about that can fix it. Better quadriplegic than dead.[/QUOTE]
that being said I would enter in ANY experimental treatment opportunities that came up.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;34727465]Easy to say when you're not quadriplegic. :v:[/QUOTE]
Especially since you're imprisoned in a body where you can only control your head.
I don't know if this was mentioned anywhere earlier in the thread, while I agree assisted suicide isn't a bad thing, this method of suicide probably isn't as bad for her as it would be for other people.
Being a quadriplegic, most of the pain would not be present - that's probably why she had it in mind.
So while it's still very sad, at least be aware she wasn't in as much pain as normal people would be.
My dad knew a guy that was quadriplegic from the same accident. This happened 30 years ago and he finally died only a few years ago.
Jesus Christ
"I think that’s what Christina wanted for me. I think she believed that, by dying, she was letting me live."
-Looks off in the sunset, credits roll-
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