Battlefield 3 lead platform 'switched to consoles' mid-development - Polidicks

The only thing that I feel is a bit consolized is the HUD and class selection screens since its basically copied from BC2

[QUOTE=simkas;33073389]The game is fucking fine, the only people complaining about it are the retards that expected BF2 HD and will whine their way to hell and back if, god forbid, a developer changes on tiny thing in a new game. If you wanted a game like the older one, just fucking play the older one.[/QUOTE] Are you sure about your statement? There are lots of people unsatisfied with the product they have purchased. The BF3 EA forums have been blasted and back with angry posts as well as the getsatisfaction website for the BF3 DEVs. The forums were down for a while to do some sneaky damage-control by the admins. Their Twitter has been bombarded too. There has been returns in major retail outlets. But you know what they did? They arrogantly ignored the glaring issues as well as the people who inquired about them. As of today they won't address these issues but give an ominous, "we're working on it" Just play the older one? What about this current one called Battlefield 3 I just paid good money for? Do I deserve an unfinished bug-ridden game? To top that, laggy, shit servers just like all EA games have been known to have?

Well i guess that fucking explains that I NEVER GET TO CONNECT TO ANY SERVER DESPITE HAVING A GREAT INTERNET CONNECTION AND THAT I CRASH A FUCKLOAD. FUCK YOU DICE, GO AND DIE IN A HOLE!

Expected this, don't care neither, since I never pre-ordered. You're never going to get a game like Battlefield 2 from DICE anymore.

[QUOTE=deggie;33073049]Spyware? In that case, Steam is spyware aswell. You do realise Steam monitors your hardware AND software and publishes them? They have pretty much the same terms of agreement. And where is the source that Battlelog doesn't work for many people? I mean, I've experienced a few issues myself but that's normal this early of a release.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but Steam analyzes just your hardware, and that's after your prior approval. Origin does it to a shitload of stuff before you sign the ToS. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1136552[/url] Check that thread. In there, it's shown that Amazon has lost 90,000 Euros on returned copies. That's somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 copies. It's on the fast track to getting banned in Germany because of this, and I don't think I've ever heard of Steam getting banned anywhere. As for people having trouble with Battlelog... what's the source? How about the eyewitness accounts in [I]this fucking thread.[/I] Just because you've had few issues doesn't mean that that applies to everyone. Also, for the whole "it just got released" argument... is anyone else kinda fuckin' sick of this logic? If a movie came out, and had a terrible actor in a minor role that soured the experience no one would say "well it just came out, it'll be better on the DVD." They'd criticize it for that flaw. Just because a game can now be updated via the internet for free doesn't excuse the fact that it comes out with bugs intact. The ludicrous idea that frequent bugs are something to be [I]expected[/I] in release builds is [I]bullshit.[/I] Trust me, if a game is good a game is good, bugs or not, they're not that big an issue if they're minor ones like BF3 is experiencing. But isn't it kind of bad that we gamers have come to expect lower quality standards because titles are getting rushed?

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;33073524]Are you sure about your statement? There are lots of people unsatisfied with the product they have purchased. The BF3 EA forums have been blasted and back with angry posts as well as the getsatisfaction website for the BF3 DEVs. The forums were down for a while to do some sneaky damage-control by the admins. Their Twitter has been bombarded too. There has been returns in major retail outlets. But you know what they did? They arrogantly ignored the glaring issues as well as the people who inquired about them. As of today they won't address this issues but give an ominous, "we're working on it" Just play the older one? What about this current one called Battlefield 3 I just paid good money for? Do I deserve an unfinished bug-ridden game? To top that, laggy, shit servers just like all EA games have been known to have?[/QUOTE] Pretty much every game release anytime within the last few years was buggy and had problems on release. And 95% of those games were fixed with patches soon after release. So give it at least a month before you start complaining about an unfinished release.

[QUOTE=Sixer;33072673]Doesn't excuse them for Battlelog. Or Origin.[/QUOTE] The major problem with Battlelog is that on PC you have to run it through a web browser, which I realize is subjective, but seems stupid to me. How come they couldn't just have the launcher in the game itself like before? It just doesn't seem like an innovation to me; it just seems unnecessary. As for the stats, I do appreciate that... but they had it in BFBC2 though. In game. As for Origin, it just smacks me as a corporate ploy to cut away at Steam (Valve's) market share and make users choose one or the other. It's unwieldy to use both. I'm sure like Valve they will eventually start producing ad-revenue from it as well. AS FOR THE ACTUAL ARTICLE I find it disappointing that they switched mid-way, although in a way I'm kind of relieved to have a plausible explanation for the horrendous glitches found so far. It's not that they're inferior programmers, they just switched to an inferior platform. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;33073370]You're part of the reason why game developers today are too lazy to actually polish their games. You blindly accept whatever is being shoved in your mouth. My goodness forbid we actually have games today that have the same level of gameplay quality to match the graphical quality and a game that is worth your hard-earned $65. Maybe if you actually worked for your money day in and day out you would be more pissed, but apparently, this isn't the case. Just because Battlefield 3 looks pretty doesn't mean it plays well. I don't know about you but I'm not going to be a fan being scammed with a bait and switch technique, being promised and never receiving. I'm not going to be a fan of the video game industry monetization and corporatism if it meant that once good games would be fucked up so we could pay MORE MONEY FOR DLC.[/QUOTE] Did you ever consider for a moment that maybe people actually enjoy Battlefield 3, and that's why they're paying for it? I'll speak for myself, but I didn't buy Battlefield 3 because of the title, I bought Battlefield 3 because it's a fun game that I want to play. And I can't help but laugh at people saying the release was rushed. This has been one of the best launches I've seen all year for a multiplayer title. Almost every other game that I've bought this year either didn't work, or had a ton of bugs that [b]everyone[/b] got, not just a vocal minority.

[QUOTE=Spooter;33073596]Yeah, but Steam analyzes just your hardware, and that's after your prior approval. Origin does it to a shitload of stuff before you sign the ToS. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1136552[/url] Check that thread. In there, it's shown that Amazon has lost 90,000 Euros on returned copies. That's somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 copies. It's on the fast track to getting banned in Germany because of this, and I don't think I've ever heard of Steam getting banned anywhere. As for people having trouble with Battlelog... what's the source? How about the eyewitness accounts in [I]this fucking thread.[/I] Just because you've had few issues doesn't mean that that applies to everyone. Also, for the whole "it just got released" argument... is anyone else kinda fuckin' sick of this logic? If a movie came out, and had a terrible actor in a minor role that soured the experience no one would say "well it just came out, it'll be better on the DVD." They'd criticize it for that flaw. Just because a game can now be updated via the internet for free doesn't excuse the fact that it comes out with bugs intact. The ludicrous idea that frequent bugs are something to be [I]expected[/I] in release builds is [I]bullshit.[/I] Trust me, if a game is good a game is good, bugs or not, they're not that big an issue if they're minor ones like BF3 is experiencing. But isn't it kind of bad that we gamers have come to expect lower quality standards because titles are getting rushed?[/QUOTE] In that same thread, several people have proved that those logs that people have showed do not mean shit and in no way prove that "Origin steels ur stuf".

So what ever happened to this? [img]http://www.ngohq.com/images/BF3PC.jpg[/img] I can't think of anything special for the PC version besides their lovely (:v:) Origin and Battlelog.

[QUOTE=MR-X;33072712]Still a port none the less when BF was a PC game to begin with. I got bf3, i enjoy it to a degree. But I will not let go how dice butchered the battlefield name. How hard was it to give us the same game play mechanics, maps, squads, commanders with the updated engine? Apparently it was to hard. A lot of people call themselves fans of BF but a real fan wouldn't let them get away with fucking up Squads, making the maps a clusterfuck, taking out the commander role, etc. Battlelog is a cluster, how hard is it to just use a normal ingame browser, and origin. All that program is a regular download manager they have had and it got re-branded and added other functions that hardly work.[/QUOTE] Did you buy Battlefield 3 expecting an old game? Just so you know, Battlefield 2 still exists, you can play that if you want.

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;33073633]I can't think of anything special for the PC version besides their lovely (:v:) Origin and Battlelog.[/QUOTE] I'd say the massively superior PC graphics and the far higher player count is "something special".

Why didn't DICE CEO just come out and say it. "We wanted to get the game out before modern warfare 3 so we could pull in as much profit as possible before it releases, since we have no confidence it will last up against mw3 in the long term sales. With that in mind, we started consolizing the game so we could fit the game into the release window that would pull the most profit for us, I hope you aren't mad."

[QUOTE=simkas;33073631]In that same thread, several people have proved that those logs that people have showed do not mean shit and in no way prove that "Origin steels ur stuf".[/QUOTE] I still don't see any reason why Origin should be wasting computer resources scanning my hard drive. Origin isn't sending any malicious or stolen information out, but it's still a bad program. Bad enough for me to skip BF3? Not a chance. Origin isn't a threat, it's just a bit of a nuisance, and I think people who both defend Origin and people who complain about it like it's the worst thing to happen to PC gaming need to just realize the only bad thing about Origin is the fact that it's a buggy attempt at a digital distribution service, but not a crazy spybot.

[QUOTE=Gammashack;33072711] I haven't seen origin as a problem, but you have to be blind to not see how gimmicky battlelog is. Can't join games, crashes, disconnections, parties are buggy, can leave bf3 running in background A LOT making it impossible to join a new game without forcing you to manually end the process.[/QUOTE] I haven't had any of these problems often.

[QUOTE=Spooter;33073596] Also, for the whole "it just got released" argument... is anyone else kinda fuckin' sick of this logic? If a movie came out, and had a terrible actor in a minor role that soured the experience no one would say "well it just came out, it'll be better on the DVD." They'd criticize it for that flaw. Just because a game can now be updated via the internet for free doesn't excuse the fact that it comes out with bugs intact. The ludicrous idea that frequent bugs are something to be [I]expected[/I] in release builds is [I]bullshit.[/I] Trust me, if a game is good a game is good, bugs or not, they're not that big an issue if they're minor ones like BF3 is experiencing. But isn't it kind of bad that we gamers have come to expect lower quality standards because titles are getting rushed?[/QUOTE] That's exactly what I'm getting at. The arrogance of the game industry today because they know we'll shell out money just because it's a flagship title. When Cowadoody comes out with a sequel, everyone hates, but at least theirs will be polished and ready on retail. Wonder why BF3 gets defended so much despite having game-breaking bugs. I can't even walk forward in a straight line, let alone use my knife because the lag and the game thinks I want to use my gadget.

Also I hope commo-rose gets patched, its totally useless.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33073688]I still don't see any reason why Origin should be wasting computer resources scanning my hard drive.[/QUOTE] Maybe if you have a computer from 2002, it'll be wasting resources, but if you don't, it probably doesn't use any more resources than steam does running in the background.

You guys complain too much.

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;33073712]That's exactly what I'm getting at. The arrogance of the game industry today because they know we'll shell out money just because it's a flagship title. When Cowadoody comes out with a sequel, everyone hates, but at least theirs will be polished and ready on retail. Wonder why BF3 gets defended so much despite having game-breaking bugs. I can't even walk forward in a straight line, let alone use my knife because the lag and the game thinks I want to use my gadget.[/QUOTE] Call of Duty polished on retail? None of the recent CoD games were even close to being 100% working on release. Black Ops still has stuff that hasn't been patched yet and it was more or less unplayable for like 50% of people on release.

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;33073712]That's exactly what I'm getting at. The arrogance of the game industry today because they know we'll shell out money just because it's a flagship title. When Cowadoody comes out with a sequel, everyone hates, but at least theirs will be polished and ready on retail. Wonder why BF3 gets defended so much despite having game-breaking bugs. I can't even walk forward in a straight line, let alone use my knife because the lag and the game thinks I want to use my gadget.[/QUOTE] Call of Duty launches are bugged to shit, a majority of people aren't experiencing "game breaking bugs" in BF3, it's just that the minority who are experiencing bugs make it out as if that means the game is ruined and the worst title in history. Some people bought the game because it's good, not because it has "battlefield" on the front

[QUOTE=MasterFen007;33072580]A delayed game is good, but worth the wait. A rushed game is bad forever.[/QUOTE] Then what do you make of Duke Nukem Forever? Because quite a few people believe it wasn't worth the wait.

[QUOTE=Red scout?;33073531]Well i guess that fucking explains that I NEVER GET TO CONNECT TO ANY SERVER DESPITE HAVING A GREAT INTERNET CONNECTION AND THAT I CRASH A FUCKLOAD. FUCK YOU DICE, GO AND DIE IN A HOLE![/QUOTE] I had that too. I disabled UPnP in the router settings and now the game is running like a charm.

[QUOTE=simkas;33073719]Maybe if you have a computer from 2002, it'll be wasting resources, but if you don't, it probably doesn't use any more resources than steam does running in the background.[/QUOTE] Origin is always higher on the process list, not to mention the fact that there's still no excuse for it to be wasting time scanning my hard drive. [editline]1st November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Marcolade;33073753]Then what do you make of Duke Nukem Forever? Because quite a few people believe it wasn't worth the wait.[/QUOTE] We're talking about games that are in constant development who miss their deadline so they can continue making the game perfect, not game ideas that go through multiple development cycles and get cancelled multiple times, you can't compare the two scenarios.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33073735]You guys complain too much.[/QUOTE] According to the content of the article, if we didn't complain like we do, BF3 wouldn't have EVER been PC lead platform game. They just would have taken the easiest route and started on consoles from scratch.

[QUOTE=simkas;33073653]I'd say the massively superior PC graphics and the far higher player count is "something special".[/QUOTE] The former is a decent point but the latter is an entirely arbitrarily value that shows Battlefield fanboys will piss themselves over anything EA marketing throws at them. I think the PC version of Battlefield 3 is pretty good. It runs decently and the controls feel alright. Most of my complaints are minor nuiscances (no ping, keybindings being annoying) but as far as the game itself is concerned I'd say they did a decent job. That being said Battlelog is fucking annoying. I just cannot play sometimes without logging out and back in multiple times, parties refuse to work completely for me and my friends, and servers randomly disappear from my favorites list. On top of all this is the amount of unique errors I have gotten joining servers. I've seen no less than half a dozen different messages telling me I could not connect but not explaining a damn thing.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;33073892]The former is a decent point but the latter is an entirely arbitrarily value that shows Battlefield fanboys will piss themselves over anything EA marketing throws at them. [/QUOTE] Eh, not really? A higher player count makes the overall experience FAR better in a Battlefield game. It's not just something to be happy about because it makes the PC version seem different, it's something to be happy about because it just makes the game better on PC. [editline]1st November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;33073892]That being said Battlelog is fucking annoying. I just cannot play sometimes without logging out and back in multiple times, parties refuse to work completely for me and my friends, and servers randomly disappear from my favorites list. On top of all this is the amount of unique errors I have gotten joining servers. I've seen no less than half a dozen different messages telling me I could not connect but not explaining a damn thing.[/QUOTE] Now, did you have any of those issues with BC2's or BF2's server browsers? I definitely did, battlelog has been working for me far better than BF2's or BC2's server browsers did. It's a big step forward if we're talking about server browsers in Battlefield.

[QUOTE=simkas;33073602]Pretty much every game release anytime within the last few years was buggy and had problems on release. And 95% of those games were fixed with patches soon after release. So give it at least a month before you start complaining about an unfinished release.[/QUOTE] That's my point. There shouldn't have to be patches after release. The release should be as flawless as possible.

[QUOTE=Kalan Yamato;33073763]I had that too. I disabled UPnP in the router settings and now the game is running like a charm.[/QUOTE] I have done that, I've tried everything between heaven and earth. So I'm blaming it either on my ISP which I have had issues with for quite some time or DICE/EA.

[QUOTE=Spooter;33073968]That's my point. There shouldn't have to be patches after release. The release should be as flawless as possible.[/QUOTE] It's kind of impossible to achieve that. You can have a shitload of internal testing, but that still doesn't test the game if you look at how many hardware and software setups people's computers might have and it definitely doesn't prepare the game for the massive server load that it gets on release. There's simply no way you can make a game as big as this work perfectly for everyone right on release.