Confirmed: British aid worker WAS killed by US grenade
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[QUOTE=Identity;26447924]Well, mistakes do happen. I don't see why he threw the grenade, unless he thought there was a substantial threat that only a frag would deal with.[/QUOTE]
He's afraid of camel spiders.
I love how everyone cites their CoD experience and thinks they know better than a trained soldier.
Especially Chesty.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;26448003]
If it had been the other way round your tone would have been quite different.[/QUOTE]
Uh oh, I'm jumping to conclusions! Maybe if I accuse everyone else of doing so, it'll be okay!
[editline]2nd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kingy_why;26448635]Why can't we just make peace, and love one another.[/QUOTE]
Oh my God, why didn't think of this! All the violence would stop of we merely made peace and loved one another! [I]It's so simple![/I]
[QUOTE=PiXeN;26447901]Yeah you're totally going to help people wearing a t-shirt and a short in Afghanistan.
It's not like Afghanistan is in the desert, if they're dressed like that maybe there's a reason.[/QUOTE]
Mountains. :downs:
She wasn't where she was expected to be, so what this boils down to is "wrong place, wrong time."
Yeah, it's tragic, but that doesn't make it any less of an accident. From what I'm reading, it sounds like conditions the grenade were thrown under were textbook: bad guys in a gully firing from cover. Nobody made any bad decisions. The conditions of the battlefield had changed, and the soldiers had no way of knowing that.
It's just bad luck.
What's worse than being captured by the Taliban?
Being rescued by the Americans.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26455142]She wasn't where she was expected to be, so what this boils down to is "wrong place, wrong time."
Yeah, it's tragic, but that doesn't make it any less of an accident. From what I'm reading, it sounds like conditions the grenade were thrown under were textbook: bad guys in a gully firing from cover. Nobody made any bad decisions. The conditions of the battlefield had changed, and the soldiers had no way of knowing that.
It's just bad luck.[/QUOTE]
Listen to the real soldier people.
[editline]2nd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=darksun;26457013]What's worse than being captured by the Taliban?
Being rescued by the Americans.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha the Evil American Empire shall kill helpless women and children and we will squish bunnies and puppies with our might! Muhahaha.
[QUOTE=Explosions;26457221]Listen to the real soldier people.[/QUOTE]
why?
of course a soldier is gonna be an apologist for other soldiers
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26455142]She wasn't where she was expected to be, so what this boils down to is "wrong place, wrong time."
Yeah, it's tragic, but that doesn't make it any less of an accident. From what I'm reading, it sounds like conditions the grenade were thrown under were textbook: bad guys in a gully firing from cover. Nobody made any bad decisions. The conditions of the battlefield had changed, and the soldiers had no way of knowing that.
It's just bad luck.[/QUOTE]
[quote=StickyNade]Shit happens.[/quote]
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26447945]Special forces training should teach you to learn to deal with threats by some other means if you're trying to secure hostages alive.
I want to know why these men didn't have flashbangs or teargas or anything else of that sort or, if they did, why they didn't use it.[/QUOTE]
It's possible there is some reason from their training they did it, I guess, they're the ones who have been training for years.
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[editline]2nd December 2010[/editline]
[quote=big dumb american;26455142]she wasn't where she was expected to be, so what this boils down to is "wrong place, wrong time."
yeah, it's tragic, but that doesn't make it any less of an accident. From what i'm reading, it sounds like conditions the grenade were thrown under were textbook: Bad guys in a gully firing from cover. Nobody made any bad decisions. The conditions of the battlefield had changed, and the soldiers had no way of knowing that.
It's just bad luck.[/quote]
but amerikuh is obviusly trained to shot and blew up civvilans!
[QUOTE=evilweazel;26457493]but amerikuh is obviusly trained to shot and blew up civvilans![/QUOTE]
they might as well be, considering how often they do it
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;26457724]they might as well be, considering how often they do it[/QUOTE]
so, super-soldier trotsky
how would you handle the situation
[QUOTE=Whewps;26457959]so, super-soldier trotsky
how would you handle the situation[/QUOTE]
He would drop his evil capitalist gun and run away, because all fighting is bad, and then he would go to Russia for communism.
[QUOTE=Identity;26448006]As if no other country has botched a rescue. Like the eight Chinese tourists that were killed on that bus a couple months back.[/QUOTE]
Or the Dutch police team that killed some people riding on a train.
Accidents happen. This isn't black ops.
[QUOTE=Whewps;26457959]so, super-soldier trotsky
how would you handle the situation[/QUOTE]
Play eerie music, jangle chains. I wouldn't keep a hostage if she were [i]haunted[/i].
The only way this could have been avoided is if there had been UAV's on-site to monitor the engagement. They could have seen the enemy forces attempting to move the hostage and reported the new information to the soldiers on the ground. Unfortunately, as with any type of air support (more so, in some cases), UAV's aren't always going to be available, and nobody can be blamed for Linda Norgrove's fate other than the people who took her hostage.
On behalf of all the USA, I'm sorry Britain. :frown:
ITT Everyone here in this thread are seasoned tactical advisers, only if U.S just called facepunch they would have completely avoided this situation.
On a serious note, how about people stop making assumptions and jumping to conclusions. You all act like you would have handled this the proper way - but here is the thing. None of you have been in combat or in a environment like they are. You're all just talking out of your asses. Only a few posters here are actually making some kind of sense and are being reasonable.
Instead of focusing on the bullshit like this, how about we instead focus on the loss of the aid worker? It is a sad loss, she spent her time trying to help people and instead got taken hostage and died because of the events surrounding her kidnap/abduction. These men tried to help her, sadly enough they killed her. That isn't going to be something easy to live with, but if they did nothing her life would of came to a terrible end.
[QUOTE=Miskatonic;26447983]Welp, good job US, that was counter productive.[/QUOTE]
I was gonna say "inb4 the call of duty kids come in and act like they could have done a better job than trained soldiers" but I guess I'm too late.
[QUOTE=darksun;26457013]What's worse than being captured by the Taliban?
Being rescued by the Americans.[/QUOTE]
LOL!!! THAT WAS SO FUNNY !!!!!!!11one
I wish they sent you to hostage rescue situations instead of US special forces since apparently your call of duty training is superior to theirs and you would never make a mistake.
USA -1 Britian -0
"Flashbang out!"
"Roger, frag out!"
But with all due respect, that was very unfortunate.
You know, previous versions of what happened implied that she was being held in a building, SF's knew that and still threw a grenade in regardless. That's implying both stupidity and recklessness and when it's implied on the SF's, you have to question the circumstances big time. It doesn't make sense.
Go figure, the situation wasn't at all what it was previously made out to be. I remember BBC doing a simulation of the situation when it first came to light and their poorly animated simulation of the operation implied that she was in a building. I was fed false information!
A horrible accident which warrants no blame on the SF's part. You want to blame somebody? Blame the insurgents who decided to kidnap and hold hostage an aid worker.
Another good example would be the siege of the W. German embassy. Swedish police aren't to great either. Granted, these are examples of police. The point stands, no matter what country you are from, someone is going to fuck up and make a mistake.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;26459232]You know, previous versions of what happened implied that she was being held in a building, SF's knew that and still threw a grenade in regardless. That's implying both stupidity and recklessness and when it's implied on the SF's, you have to question the circumstances big time. It doesn't make sense.
Go figure, the situation wasn't at all what it was previously made out to be. I remember BBC doing a simulation of the situation when it first came to light and their poorly animated simulation of the operation implied that she was in a building. I was fed false information!
A horrible accident which warrants no blame on the SF's part. You want to blame somebody? Blame the insurgents who decided to kidnap and hold hostage an aid worker.[/QUOTE]
Except the building was hundreds of feet away, and that they threw a grenade at insurgents who were positioned in a gully, where she was being held. How were they supposed to know?
[QUOTE=Identity;26460662]Except the building was hundreds of feet away, and that they threw a grenade at insurgents who were positioned in a gully, where she was being held. How were they supposed to know?[/QUOTE]
I think you misunderstood him, he's saying it isn't their fault.
[QUOTE=PiXeN;26447901]Yeah you're totally going to help people wearing a t-shirt and a short in Afghanistan.
It's not like Afghanistan is in the desert, if they're dressed like that maybe there's a reason.[/QUOTE]
Sunburn? The headwrapping may be to prevent that from happening to the scalp.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;26461190]I think you misunderstood him, he's saying it isn't their fault.[/QUOTE]
I'm clarifying the first part.
[QUOTE=Zeus;26458619]I was gonna say "inb4 the call of duty kids come in and act like they could have done a better job than trained soldiers" but I guess I'm too late.
LOL!!! THAT WAS SO FUNNY !!!!!!!11one
I wish they sent you to hostage rescue situations instead of US special forces since apparently your call of duty training is superior to theirs and you would never make a mistake.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, at what point in telling that joke did I mention I could do a better job? I wouldn't last a second out there. And nor would most people on fp.
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