Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours in responce to Obamacare - Polidicks

[QUOTE=GunFox;38469244]I had dental, vision, and a ridiculously low deductible for about 215 a month. And I was overpaying. 5k per employee, per year, would be 416 bucks a month. Given that private insurance costs a shitload compared to what companies pay to mass insure, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit. I don't know where the 5k number came from, but I'm gonna take a guess and say it came out of your ass, guy.[/QUOTE] You know, I might be mistaken. But let's do some math. If 175/5 is 18, which I'm assuming is the average number of full time employees at Denny's. They're paying them less than fucking minimal wage. The annual minimum wage for Florida is averagely 15k.

Daily Mail, hahaha. Who the fuck cares about Denny's anyway?

[QUOTE=Nikota;38469246]I was referring to Dennys as a whole, being fucking everywhere.[/QUOTE] Yeah but they aren't all run by the same person, I believe they are franchised. I was just pointing out that not all Denny's are doing this, just these ones in Florida, so it's not fair to assume they are a terrible company based off a franchise owners decision. Giving the whole company benefit of the doubt for the time being

[QUOTE=Trogdon;38469335]Yeah but they aren't all run by the same person, I believe they are franchised. I was just pointing out that not all Denny's are doing this, just these ones in Florida, so it's not fair to assume they are a terrible company based off a franchise owners decision. Giving the whole company benefit of the doubt for the time being[/QUOTE] This is Daily Mail, basically the UK equivalent to Fox News.

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;38469153]Either the employer has to do it or the government has to do it. You can't seriously think that it's okay for people to be allowed to sink into ridiculous amounts of debt or even die because they can't afford healthcare... can you?[/QUOTE] Nope, but it's just as wrong to force Businesses to sink in ridiculous amounts of debt or even go out of businuess because they can't afford healthcare for their employees. To quote the article: [quote]'Obviously, I'd love to cover all our employees under that insurance,' said Metz. 'But to pay $5,000 per employee would cost us $175,000 per restaurant and unfortunately, most of our restaurants don't make $175,000 a year. I can't afford it.'[/quote] Metz knows it's good to give his employees healthcare, but since the cost of healthcare under Obamacare makes it too expensive for him. He'd wind up having to close down the business just because he can't make ends meet. What he's doing instead is trying to make sure his employees can at the very least, keep their jobs. Now, are you telling me that having health insurance and being jobless is more right than having a job and getting your own insurance that could turn out to be more affordable? (Mine is $100 a month, with dental)

[QUOTE=Glaber;38469410]Nope, but it's just as wrong to force Businesses to sink in ridiculous amounts of debt or even go out of businuess because they can't afford healthcare for their employees. To quote the article: Metz knows it's good to give his employees healthcare, but since the cost of healthcare under Obamacare makes it too expensive for him. He'd wind up having to close down the business just because he can't make ends meet. What he's doing instead is trying to make sure his employees can at the very least, keep their jobs. Now, are you telling me that having health insurance and being jobless is more right than having a job and getting your own insurance that could turn out to be more affordable? (Mine is $100 a month, with dental)[/QUOTE] Why would he be paying 5k per employee?

because he's as bad at negotiating healthcare as he apparently is at running a business. seriously, i work at a healthcare broker and i rarely see anything that expensive(i'm assuming it's yearly)

[QUOTE=GunFox;38469429]Why would he be paying 5k per employee?[/QUOTE] by my guess, he could have been told the wrong number as it's suppose to be $2,000 per employee. At least according to this: [quote] Penalties For Failure To Insure For firms which do not offer insurance any insurance, have more than 50 employees, and have at least one employee receiving insurance subsidies, they must pay a tax of $2000 per subsidized employee. The tax is applied to all of a firm’s employees (after excluding the first 30), not just those that are subsidized. For example a firm with 51 employees would pay $42,000 in new annual taxes, and an additional $2,000 tax for every new hire. For firms that do offer insurance, the penalty is the lesser of $2,000 for every employee (after exempting the first 30) or $3,000) for every employee receiving a subsidy.[/quote] [url]http://www.obamacarewatch.org/primer/employer-mandate[/url] also with the $2000 per employee cost, it totals up to $70,000 per store.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38469410]Nope, but it's just as wrong to force Businesses to sink in ridiculous amounts of debt or even go out of businuess because they can't afford healthcare for their employees. To quote the article: Metz knows it's good to give his employees healthcare, but since the cost of healthcare under Obamacare makes it too expensive for him. He'd wind up having to close down the business just because he can't make ends meet. What he's doing instead is trying to make sure his employees can at the very least, keep their jobs. Now, are you telling me that having health insurance and being jobless is more right than having a job and getting your own insurance that could turn out to be more affordable? (Mine is $100 a month, with dental)[/QUOTE] And as I pointed out. He's paying his employees under Minimum wage. Not exactly ethical.

[QUOTE=Nikota;38469489]And as I pointed out. He's paying his employees under Minimum wage. Not exactly ethical.[/QUOTE] Isn't that calculated for full time employment? Most of them aren't going to be full time. Actually. I just thought of something. Cut everyone's hours below the requirement for benefits, then add the charge because you need to pay for benefits. Sort of like the delivery charges that Domino's charges. Corporate PR bullshit for profit.

[QUOTE=Nikota;38469489]And as I pointed out. He's paying his employees under Minimum wage. Not exactly ethical.[/QUOTE] May I ask how you came to that conclusion? Because I just did a search for minimum wages for restaurants and they're lower then other businesses. [quote]Federal Law There is a federal minimum wage for restaurant workers which comes out to $2.13 an hour. In addition, restaurant workers are entitled to any tips that they earn. The tips are added to the $2.13 an hour to provide the equivalent of the federal minimum wage. If the tips earned when added to the restaurant minimum wage do not reach the federal minimum wage, the restaurant needs to make up the difference. In other words, one way or the other, restaurant workers need to make at least as much as the federal minimum wage when their tips are added to their weekly paycheck. Failure to pay the proper amount is a violation of federal law.[/quote] [url]http://www.ehow.com/info_7761212_minimum-wage-restaurant-workers.html[/url] So I guess this means you have to tip at Denny's.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38469749]May I ask how you came to that conclusion? Because I just did a search for minimum wages for restaurants and they're lower then other businesses. [url]http://www.ehow.com/info_7761212_minimum-wage-restaurant-workers.html[/url] So I guess this means you have to tip at Denny's.[/QUOTE] [quote][B]If the tips earned when added to the restaurant minimum wage do not reach the federal minimum wage, the restaurant needs to make up the difference[/B][/quote] So even if they don't hit the minimum amount for the hour (which is like 7.25 where i'm at) they have to pay the employee the amount.

Lol I don't see why this guy is bitching I work at a local pizza chain that has several stores in my town, they probably employ a total of 500-1000 people in the region Wanna know what happened? They sent out a flyer saying employees can choose to enroll in the health insurance plan if they wanted, and the option was there (its' retardo expensive so I don't see anyone ever doing it, since they flat out take about $400/mo off your paychecks to pay for it if you do enroll). Nobody lost hours, no raised prices nothing. Just buisness as usual, with a side of an insurance plan you can choose to enroll in or not. So seeing all these big name companies buckle and whine about this makes me laugh, because clearly they are knee-jerk reacting to something that isn't really a big of a deal at all.

So that would mean that the revenue number he used would have been the minimum number provided that the tips were enough. KorJax, is everyone in the chain full time?

[QUOTE=Glaber;38469410]Nope, but it's just as wrong to force Businesses to sink in ridiculous amounts of debt or even go out of businuess because they can't afford healthcare for their employees.[/QUOTE] Let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that you're right and that Obamacare is too much for businesses to handle. Then you're left with one option, and that's to raise taxes to cover people's healthcare costs.

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;38469989]Let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that you're right and that Obamacare is too much for businesses to handle. Then you're left with one option, and that's to raise taxes to cover people's healthcare costs.[/QUOTE] there's option 3, Let people get their own insurance and let business provide them to their employees. At least then you don't have to worry about the eventual health budget cuts from the government like the EU might have to do if they aren't doing it already.

If you're eating at Denny's, you should probably be fined 5% anyways, because you have terrible taste in food and seem to lack common sense.

I love how lots of other companies probably did this, but it's only the ones that were loud about it that get all the shit.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;38470124]I love how lots of other companies probably did this, but it's only the ones that were loud about it that get all the shit.[/QUOTE] Or there might not be many companies that have the capital to fight something that's generally good for people. So they go with it to have happy employees instead of seeming like ass faces. Up to you, but your little quip has failed good sir.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470037]there's option 3, Let people get their own insurance and let business provide them to their employees. At least then you don't have to worry about the eventual health budget cuts from the government like the EU might have to do if they aren't doing it already.[/QUOTE] Alright, and what's your plan for those who can't afford it?

Like they couldn't up the prices 5% silently and not make a big deal about it, the guy is obviously trying to blame Obama for his shitty business practices

I'm going to outright say it. Fuck [B]ALL[/B] of these horse-shit-ass-raping-asshole company owners who think they can pull this shit because of political pandering. I was talking to a worker at Dominoes yesterday and all the workers who are getting their hours cut are getting together for a class-action lawsuit against the owner, because he is a "shit-faced asshole"-quoted Dominoes worker.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;38470338]I'm going to outright say it. Fuck [B]ALL[/B] of these horse-shit-ass-raping-asshole company owners who think they can pull this shit because of political pandering. I was talking to a worker at Dominoes yesterday and all the workers who are getting their hours cut are getting together for a class-action lawsuit against the owner, because he is a "shit-faced asshole"-quoted Dominoes worker.[/QUOTE] Oh for fucks sake, not Dominoes too. That narrows me down to Pizza Hut. First Papa John's and now this. Everything I know is a sham.

[quote] Indeed, Metz is adding the surcharge because he [b]believes[/b] that eventually firms will be fined for not covering staff who complete over 30-hours in a week, [/quote] So he's cutting hours to avoid having to provide health insurance like any decent employer should, AND raising prices because he thinks maybe, some day, he might be fined even though the law does no such thing. Sounds like this guy is just an asshole who is pocketing some extra money and using the Affordable Care Act as an excuse.

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;38470175]Alright, and what's your plan for those who can't afford it?[/QUOTE] An optional pool for them to join. Key word is Optional. To encourage this pool to be created, you could offer a sort of tax discount or one time start up tax break for each location a pool is opened up at. the Tax break should only cover 1 fiscal quarter of the year. The pool would cover stuff like doctor visits and Emergency Care. The basics. If it found out that people are denied access due to preexisting conditions, Well I'd hate to say it, but a fine would have to be in place. Delays of a short time, like what Blue Cross Blue shield currently has, shouldn't be penalized as the people are being allowed to get covered. However, since I'm not an expert on this, the details would have to be hammered out on how to best work this. The key thing I want to get at is freedom, and with freedom comes the ability to make choices that don't always work in our favor. It is best to encourage rather than to force as when you encourage someone to do something, they should feel better about doing it rather than feeling all grumpy and resentful for being forced. If the person who can't afford heath insurance doesn't want in the pool, then it should be up to them. Any consequences will be a result of their action. If they can make it a few years with out it and be able to afford it afterwords, then it should still be their choice and no one elses. [QUOTE=ewitwins;38470338]I'm going to outright say it. Fuck [B]ALL[/B] of these horse-shit-ass-raping-asshole company owners who think they can pull this shit because of political pandering. I was talking to a worker at Dominoes yesterday and all the workers who are getting their hours cut are getting together for a class-action lawsuit against the owner, because he is a "shit-faced asshole"-quoted Dominoes worker.[/QUOTE] I look forward to that making the news.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38468993]Oh really? You ever run a business?[/QUOTE] "You aren't allowed to criticize pizza if you aren't a chef"

Why the fuck does Glaber even go on Facepunch

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;38470531]Why the fuck does Glaber even go on Facepunch[/QUOTE] 2 to 3 reasons, Garrys mod, Source Film maker, and an outlet where I can discuss and /or debate politics. Believe it or not, it gets boring just hearing one side most of the time.

[QUOTE=KorJax;38469809]They sent out a flyer saying employees can choose to enroll in the health insurance plan if they wanted, and the option was there (its' retardo expensive so I don't see anyone ever doing it, since they flat out take about $400/mo off your paychecks to pay for it if you do enroll). Nobody lost hours, no raised prices nothing. Just buisness as usual, with a side of an insurance plan you can choose to enroll in or not.[/QUOTE] Assuming the pizza chain paid $7.25 an hour (probably does) then you'd have to work 55.172 hours [I]to break even[/I] to just cover the cost of the health plan. So more than a week out of the month, you'd be solely working just to pay for a damn health plan (assuming you had 40 hour weeks), that's ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470472]An optional pool for them to join. Key word is Optional. To encourage this pool to be created, you could offer a sort of tax discount or one time start up tax break for each location a pool is opened up at. the Tax break should only cover 1 fiscal quarter of the year. The pool would cover stuff like doctor visits and Emergency Care. The basics. If it found out that people are denied access due to preexisting conditions, Well I'd hate to say it, but a fine would have to be in place. Delays of a short time, like what Blue Cross Blue shield currently has, shouldn't be penalized as the people are being allowed to get covered. However, since I'm not an expert on this, the details would have to be hammered out on how to best work this. The key thing I want to get at is freedom, and with freedom comes the ability to make choices that don't always work in our favor. It is best to encourage rather than to force as when you encourage someone to do something, they should feel better about doing it rather than feeling all grumpy and resentful for being forced. If the person who can't afford heath insurance doesn't want in the pool, then it should be up to them. Any consequences will be a result of their action. If they can make it a few years with out it and be able to afford it afterwords, then it should still be their choice and no one elses. I look forward to that making the news.[/QUOTE] So you're basically saying, either they pay into it or they don't get a tax break. The problem here is getting enough contributions into the pool without draining from other programs through tax breaks, as the pool needs to cover [i]all[/i] the essentials. But what if the pool isn't enough? Does the government pay the difference? If that's the case, then everyone is paying into healthcare anyway. Tbh the pool concept kind of confuses me (Who exactly is going to pay into it? Only those who can't afford health insurance, everyone who wants to, corporations wanting tax breaks?). In the end, as long as everyone is guaranteed high quality health care without being fucked over, I'm happy.