Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours in responce to Obamacare - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Glaber;38468993]Oh really? You ever run a business?[/QUOTE] oh no Businesses will actually have to have the money to secure their growth rather than expanding wildly and unpredictably without any better than a wink and a nod to inspire confidence that they won't fall on directly on their ass tomorrow and leave you fucked. [B]OH NO WHATEVER SHALL WE DO[/B]

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470037]there's option 3, Let people get their own insurance and let business provide them to their employees. At least then you don't have to worry about the eventual health budget cuts from the government like the EU might have to do if they aren't doing it already.[/QUOTE] Or there is option "Not Retarded" where everyone has healthcare provided by the government. Because nobody in the United States, or the rest of the world for that matter, should ever suffer because they can't afford healthcare. If we have to mothball our entire military and only have national guard in order to manage it, it is still worth the cost. Having companies providing your health insurance who are for profit is quite possibly the worst possible plan. It is in their interest to fuck you over at every turn.

[QUOTE=GunFox;38470631] Having companies providing your health insurance who are for profit is quite possibly the worst possible plan. It is in their interest to fuck you over at every turn.[/QUOTE] Who would you rather have standing in the way of your healthcare, the businessman who wants to make a buck, or the politician trying to get elected?

[QUOTE=goon165;38470685]Who would you rather have standing in the way of your healthcare, the businessman who wants to make a buck, or the politician trying to get elected?[/QUOTE] Uhh, the politician. Hands down no question.

[QUOTE=GunFox;38470697]Uhh, the politician. Hands down no question.[/QUOTE] Good choice. You get to live.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38469827]So that would mean that the revenue number he used would have been the minimum number provided that the tips were enough. KorJax, is everyone in the chain full time?[/QUOTE] No but there's at least 40ish different stores that employ at least 3ish people full time at them not to mention an office that employs 150-200+ people It just doesn't seem like this is a big deal since employees that want employer insurance, have to pay it themselves anyways. Unless the insurance recently offered at my work is totally different from this insurance that denny's is getting, and this insurance requires all employees to be covered under it for free. Which I doubt. [editline]16th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=bohb;38470603]Assuming the pizza chain paid $7.25 an hour (probably does) then you'd have to work 55.172 hours [I]to break even[/I] to just cover the cost of the health plan. So more than a week out of the month, you'd be solely working just to pay for a damn health plan (assuming you had 40 hour weeks), that's ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I know lol its hilarious. I joked with people at work that I could just work at this job to have "free" health care and my real job be somewhere else :v: Granted there are people who are salaried that work at my job and so it probably applies more to them. Plus you mix tips as a driver, so if you are doing full time and you happen to work at a really busy store you might really average $13-$14/hr after tax. And the 445-ish per month rate I think is a family plan, though the single plans weren't that much cheaper I think. Still crazy though lol

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;38470618]So you're basically saying, either they pay into it or they don't get a tax break.[/QUOTE] The tax break is for the insurance company starting the pools.

Guys, minimum wage is like $2 something for tipped employees. Probably 7 something for nontipped employees. Also, no restaurant owner ever had anyone besides some of the managers work more than 39 hours.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470763]The tax break is for the insurance company starting the pools.[/QUOTE] Okay, but there's still the problem of the possibility of the pools not being enough. If they aren't, then does the government compensate?

no, Charities and Religious groups step in. They are what helped before the government did. You have to remember The United States has been going without a budged for 3 years now. to even consider having the US government paying for health care when it can't even put together a budget is like getting a drunken sailor to pick your stocks. [QUOTE=GunFox;38470631]Or there is option "Not Retarded" where everyone has healthcare provided by the government. Because nobody in the United States, or the rest of the world for that matter, should ever suffer because they can't afford healthcare. If we have to mothball our entire military and only have national guard in order to manage it, it is still worth the cost. Having companies providing your health insurance who are for profit is quite possibly the worst possible plan. It is in their interest to fuck you over at every turn.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but do you think the government can currently afford to cover 314,774,979 people? [url]http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html[/url] Let's see ho much it would cost with a $100 plan minimum. $31,477,497,900 USD total Now lets take a look at the cost of $300 paln for everyone. $94,432,493,700 USD Multiply both by 12 months: $377,729,974,800 (the $100 plan) $1,133,189,924,400 (the $300 plan) I don't know about you, but with the fiscal cliff coming up at the turn of the year, I don't think we can afford the government paying that much.

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;38470531]Why the fuck does Glaber even go on Facepunch[/QUOTE] Probably for some of the same reasons *you* go on, you twat.

[QUOTE=dialogical;38470915]Probably for some of the same reasons *you* go on, you twat.[/QUOTE] Instead of visiting various threads and complaining about how much Facepunch fails at debating why don't you give it a shot.

Looks like he backed out [url]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/dennys-pancakes-with-a-side-of-obamacare-tax-not-yet/[/url]

[QUOTE=Glaber;38469410]Nope, but it's just as wrong to force Businesses to sink in ridiculous amounts of debt or even go out of businuess because they can't afford healthcare for their employees.[/QUOTE] You ever notice how nobody claiming "Obamacare" hurts businesses is willing to actually present proof demonstrating how, from actual unmodified financials? Just think about that for all of three seconds, and let's hope a neuron fires.

[QUOTE=Foda;38468965]If you can't make enough money to cover your employee's health care, then you're doing something wrong.[/QUOTE] this doesn't excuse it, but i've worked in several family owned restuarants and the places always run with literally [I]tiny[/I] margins; a dennys (that is really cheap and runs 24 hours) isn't going to fare unless you're talking a world star chef restuarant, most have tighter margins than any other kind of business, you make pennies per plate

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;38470952]You ever notice how nobody claiming "Obamacare" hurts businesses is willing to actually present proof demonstrating how, from actual unmodified financials? Just think about that for all of three seconds, and let's hope a neuron fires.[/QUOTE] The people don't give a shit about their employees.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;38470952]You ever notice how nobody claiming "Obamacare" hurts businesses is willing to actually present proof demonstrating how, from actual unmodified financials? Just think about that for all of three seconds, and let's hope a neuron fires.[/QUOTE] ok, but if they turn out right, I get to say "They told you so."

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470996]ok, but if they turn out right, I get to say "They told you so."[/QUOTE] Bro, look at my post on the first page of this thread.

[QUOTE=monkey11;38470941]Looks like he backed out [url]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/dennys-pancakes-with-a-side-of-obamacare-tax-not-yet/[/url][/QUOTE] You may want to look again, the reduced hours are still going to happen.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470914]no, Charities and Religious groups step in. They are what helped before the government did.[/QUOTE] When might that have been?

[QUOTE=Nikota;38471010]Bro, look at my post on the first page of this thread.[/QUOTE] Dude, you're comparing a lawn care business to Denny's. and to counter you point properly, I'll quote BrickInHead. [QUOTE=BrickInHead;38470984]this doesn't excuse it, but i've worked in several family owned restuarants and the places always run with literally [I]tiny[/I] margins; a dennys (that is really cheap and runs 24 hours) isn't going to fare unless you're talking a world star chef restuarant, most have tighter margins than any other kind of business, you make pennies per plate[/QUOTE] May I ask, how wide are you lawn care business's margins?

OH FUCK FUCKING GLABER JUST QUOTED ME AS SUPPORT I NEED TO SHOWER

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470914]no, Charities and Religious groups step in. They are what helped before the government did. You have to remember The United States has been going without a budged for 3 years now. to even consider having the US government paying for health care when it can't even put together a budget is like getting a drunken sailor to pick your stocks. I'm sorry, but do you think the government can currently afford to cover 314,774,979 people? [url]http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html[/url] Let's see ho much it would cost with a $100 plan minimum. $31,477,497,900 USD total Now lets take a look at the cost of $300 paln for everyone. $94,432,493,700 USD Multiply both by 12 months: $377,729,974,800 (the $100 plan) $1,133,189,924,400 (the $300 plan) I don't know about you, but with the fiscal cliff coming up at the turn of the year, I don't think we can afford the government paying that much.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. Charities help, but you can't depend on them for something as important as this. Let's make the military charity funded too, while we're at it.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470996]ok, but if they turn out right, I get to say "They told you so."[/QUOTE] Not any moreso than if I turn out right without explaining myself. The outcome doesn't make you correct, it makes you [I]lucky.[/I]

good waffles and french toast are obvious superior this is a fact

[QUOTE=Megafan;38471036]When might that have been?[/QUOTE] Closest I can find are these links [url]http://www.staysmartstayhealthy.com/health_care_history_inthe_united_states[/url] [url]http://www.collaborationhealthcare.com/library-and-resources/the-world-of-health-care/history-of-health-care-how-we-got-to-where-we-are.php[/url] but even then, they are insufficient to prove my point. But I still believe that Religious groups would help. After all we have hospitals with religious names. Like St. Judes.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38469410]Nope, but it's just as wrong to force Businesses to sink in ridiculous amounts of debt or even go out of businuess because they can't afford healthcare for their employees. To quote the article: Metz knows it's good to give his employees healthcare, but since the cost of healthcare under Obamacare makes it too expensive for him. He'd wind up having to close down the business just because he can't make ends meet. What he's doing instead is trying to make sure his employees can at the very least, keep their jobs. Now, are you telling me that having health insurance and being jobless is more right than having a job and getting your own insurance that could turn out to be more affordable? (Mine is $100 a month, with dental)[/QUOTE] You act like this is what Obama wanted. Did you only come into the debate in the past 6 months? [QUOTE=Glaber;38470914]no, Charities and Religious groups step in. They are what helped before the government did. You have to remember The United States has been going without a budged for 3 years now. to even consider having the US government paying for health care when it can't even put together a budget is like getting a drunken sailor to pick your stocks. I'm sorry, but do you think the government can currently afford to cover 314,774,979 people? [url]http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html[/url] Let's see ho much it would cost with a $100 plan minimum. $31,477,497,900 USD total Now lets take a look at the cost of $300 paln for everyone. $94,432,493,700 USD Multiply both by 12 months: $377,729,974,800 (the $100 plan) $1,133,189,924,400 (the $300 plan) I don't know about you, but with the fiscal cliff coming up at the turn of the year, I don't think we can afford the government paying that much.[/QUOTE] You're basing plenty of this off the private insurance plan numbers. With it homogenized with the government oversight of the industries, health insurance becomes non-existent and we can create a system with far fewer middle men grabbing profits.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38471159]But I still believe that Religious groups would help. After all we have hospitals with religious names. Like St. Judes.[/QUOTE] That is probably the weakest coherent argument I have ever heard.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38471159]Closest I can find are these links [url]http://www.staysmartstayhealthy.com/health_care_history_inthe_united_states[/url] [url]http://www.collaborationhealthcare.com/library-and-resources/the-world-of-health-care/history-of-health-care-how-we-got-to-where-we-are.php[/url] but even then, they are insufficient to prove my point. But I still believe that Religious groups would help. After all we have hospitals with religious names. Like St. Judes.[/QUOTE] except religious groups can't be trusted to be impartial whereas the government in theory can be trusted to provide for all it's citizens equally. i mean just look at all the fuss religious groups kicked up over obamacare requiring employers to provide contraceptives

[QUOTE=Glaber;38470914]no, Charities and Religious groups step in. They are what helped before the government did. [B]You have to remember The United States has been going without a budged for 3 years now. to even consider having the US government paying for health care when it can't even put together a budget is like getting a drunken sailor to pick your stocks.[/B] I'm sorry, but do you think the government can currently afford to cover 314,774,979 people? [URL]http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html[/URL] Let's see ho much it would cost with a $100 plan minimum. $31,477,497,900 USD total Now lets take a look at the cost of $300 paln for everyone. $94,432,493,700 USD Multiply both by 12 months: $377,729,974,800 (the $100 plan) $1,133,189,924,400 (the $300 plan) I don't know about you, but with the fiscal cliff coming up at the turn of the year, I don't think we can afford the government paying that much.[/QUOTE] I'm so glad that we have those Republicans balancing our budget! [IMG]http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/slowest-spending.png[/IMG] ...oh. Well, at the very least we can not make health insurance public, because that would cost more! [IMG]http://www.1337upload.net/files/lifeexpectancy_vs_spending.gif[/IMG] Well, then, uh... Charities, right? [quote]Even if we brought average health care costs down to OECD average, we would need to collect $194 billion in charity, which equates to $620 everyone would have to donate to charity for health care each year to replace Medicaid.[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynmcclanahan/2012/04/23/is-charity-the-answer-to-healthcare/"][1][/URL][/quote] Shit.