Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours in responce to Obamacare - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Megafan;38471178]That is probably the weakest coherent argument I have ever heard.[/QUOTE] You think I don't know that now? [QUOTE=Brt5470;38471173]You act like this is what Obama wanted. Did you only come into the debate in the past 6 months?[/QUOTE] No. Try May of 2010 [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=937020&highlight=[/url] Though to be honest, it was earlier than that. [QUOTE=Brt5470;38471173]You're basing plenty of this off the private insurance plan numbers. With it homogenized with the government oversight of the industries, health insurance becomes non-existent and we can create a system with far fewer middle men grabbing profits.[/QUOTE] So how are you going to pay for all the research needed for the various cancers, the new vaccines, the new procedures proven to be more effective. I mean just take a look at medicare and how many doctors get reimbursed well enough from that. [quote]Doctors list shrinking insurance reimbursements, changing regulations, rising business and drug costs among the factors preventing them from keeping their practices afloat. But some experts counter that doctors' lack of business acumen is also to blame. Loans to make payroll: Dr. William Pentz, 47, a cardiologist with a Philadelphia private practice, and his partners had to tap into their personal assets to make payroll for employees last year. "And we still barely made payroll last paycheck," he said. "Many of us are also skimping on our own pay." Pentz said recent steep 35% to 40% cuts in Medicare reimbursements for key cardiovascular services, such as stress tests and echocardiograms, have taken a substantial toll on revenue. "Our total revenue was down about 9% last year compared to 2010," he said. "These cuts have destabilized private cardiology practices," he said. "A third of our patients are on Medicare. So these Medicare cuts are by far the biggest factor. Private insurers follow Medicare rates. So those reimbursements are going down as well." Pentz is thinking about an out. "If this continues, I might seriously consider leaving medicine," he said. "I can't keep working this way." Also on his mind, the impending 27.4% Medicare pay cut for doctors. "If that goes through, it will put us under," he said. Federal law requires that Medicare reimbursement rates be adjusted annually based on a formula tied to the health of the economy. That law says rates should be cut every year to keep Medicare financially sound. Although Congress has blocked those cuts from happening 13 times over the past decade, most recently on Dec. 23 with a two-month temporary "patch," this dilemma continues to haunt doctors every year. ...[/quote] [url]http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/05/smallbusiness/doctors_broke/index.htm[/url] [QUOTE=J!NX;38471156]good waffles and french toast are obvious superior this is a fact[/QUOTE] Denny's has waffles. [url]http://m.dennys.com/en/menu/item/10[/url] [editline]16th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Zally13;38471223]I'm so glad that we have those Republicans balancing our budget! [IMG]http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/slowest-spending.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] May I ask, how does that bit about the stimulus being reapplied to Obama work? And may I say, it doesn't matter what side has the White House, but what side has the House and Senate. After all, the House is where the budget originates for the US government.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38471323]So how are you going to pay for all the research needed for the various cancers, the new vaccines, the new procedures proven to be more effective.[/QUOTE] Um. We already do pay for all that, you twit. [QUOTE=http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq#research]Much current medical research is publicly financed through the National Institutes of Health. Under a universal health care system this would continue. For example, a great deal of basic drug research, for example, is funded by the government. Drug companies are invited in for the later stages of “product development,” the formulation and marketing of new drugs. AZT for HIV patients is one example. [B]The early, expensive research was conducted with government money. After the drug was found to be effective, marketing rights went to the drug company.[/B] Medical research does not disappear under universal health care system. Many famous discoveries have been made in countries with national health care systems. Laparoscopic gallbladder removal was pioneered in Canada. The CT scan was invented in England. The treatment for juvenile diabetes by transplanting pancreatic cells was developed in Canada. It is also important to note that studies show that, in the U.S., the number of clinical research grants declines in areas of high HMO penetration. [B]This suggests that managed care increasingly threatens clinical research.[/B] Another study surveyed medical school faculty and found that it was more difficult to do research in areas where high HMO penetration has enforced a more business-oriented approach to health care. Finally, it appears that the increasing commercialization of research is beginning to slow innovation. [B]Drug firms’ increasing reliance on contract research organizations (and for-profit ethical-review boards) has coincided with a sharp drop in innovative new drugs and a spate of “me-too” drugs - minor variations on old drugs that offer little benefit other than extended patent life.[/B][/QUOTE]

Well that answers that question at least.

fuck denny's anyway

[QUOTE=Glaber;38471600]Well that answers that question at least.[/QUOTE] And you wonder why things are one-sided here? It ain't for shit and giggles it is.

Last time I had dennys, I had the pancakes and maple syrup, a bit of butter. Not 5 minutes from leaving the restaurants with friends, it came back up with a vengeance. Not a shame to see a bad business go, but this is a sad copout.

I like Denny's cottage potatoes. Too bad they're not on the menu and you have to special order them for some reason. Actually I think they stopped serving them altogether.

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;38469153]You can't seriously think that it's okay for people to be allowed to sink into ridiculous amounts of debt or even die because they can't afford healthcare... can you?[/QUOTE] The Million Dollar Question Romnesiacs and greedy company bastards can't answer.

FFS USA, you're a superpower. Get your shit together.

Wow Denny's is the last place I expected to do this shit, I always go there on vacation.

I like how Glaber has to post from extremely specific sources so it doesn't totally shatter his demented view of the world. Daily Mail is basically Fox News.

[QUOTE=Swilly;38470147]Or there might not be many companies that have the capital to fight something that's generally good for people. So they go with it to have happy employees instead of seeming like ass faces. Up to you, but your little quip has failed good sir.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that almost nobody cares about what's good for the people.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;38472491]I'm pretty sure that almost nobody cares about what's good for the people.[/QUOTE] Hence the point of "socialized" healthcare. Even a Scrooge McDuck wannabe is forced to pay. [video=youtube;yUpbOliTHJY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbOliTHJY[/video]

Businesses passing additional costs on employees or customers? Never saw that coming.

I notice that all the businesses that are shouting and throwing their feces around in regards to Obamacare are massive national franchises. If a small business that was genuinely feeling the squeeze did this I might be less inclined to never give them business again.

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;38469153]Either the employer has to do it or the government has to do it. You can't seriously think that it's okay for people to be allowed to sink into ridiculous amounts of debt or even die because they can't afford healthcare... can you?[/QUOTE] Where are they going to get the money?

[QUOTE=Glaber;38469410]Metz knows it's good to give his employees healthcare, but since the cost of healthcare under Obamacare makes it too expensive for him. He'd wind up having to close down the business just because he can't make ends meet. What he's doing instead is trying to make sure his employees can at the very least, keep their jobs. Now, are you telling me that having health insurance and being jobless is more right than having a job and getting your own insurance that could turn out to be more affordable? (Mine is $100 a month, with dental)[/QUOTE] What he's doing is keeping his beefy CEO check while cutting employee hours. There is no version of this where Metz is a good guy trying to help anyone but himself. [QUOTE=Glaber;38469487]by my guess, he could have been told the wrong number as it's suppose to be $2,000 per employee. At least according to this: [URL]http://www.obamacarewatch.org/primer/employer-mandate[/URL] also with the $2000 per employee cost, it totals up to $70,000 per store.[/QUOTE] That $2000 is the penalty for not following through, not the actual cost (which is lower than that, but I do not have the numbers on hand). You should read that over again though, it's pretty obvious in the writing Glaber.

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I wonder how this is going to affect the company I work for. I'm fairly certain we passed the 50 threshold this year.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;38469037]We don't have any Denny's in Atlantic Canada, and I already don't like their greasy food to begin with, but next time I'm down in the States, I'll make sure to avoid them at all costs.[/QUOTE] I live in Toronto. There's a Denny's in Mississauga that I've never once been arsed to go to. Nothing of value lost.

I used to eat at Denny's with my brothers and father every weekend. Not sure why people dislike Denny's, I think their burgers and nachos are good.

[QUOTE=Noble;38473085]Where are they going to get the money?[/QUOTE] The exact opposite of tax cuts.

[QUOTE=Glaber;38471045]Dude, you're comparing a lawn care business to Denny's. and to counter you point properly, I'll quote BrickInHead. May I ask, how wide are you lawn care business's margins?[/QUOTE] I think you missed the very first reply in the thread, only inexperienced pushovers don't gauge prices properly to make a good profit off every dish served. If the location doesn't want your product or prices then either close up or relocate because you're just hurting yourself. The guy's just dragging his employees down on a sinking ship if he makes that little a year and can't afford even basic shit for the workforce.

[QUOTE=Lazor;38469156]as an added bonus, it's a disincentive to buy food from Denny's[/QUOTE] denny's is a disincentive to buy food from denny's

[QUOTE=Hanso;38473565]I used to eat at Denny's with my brothers and father every weekend. Not sure why people dislike Denny's, I think their burgers and nachos are good.[/QUOTE] I like some of Denny's food, but the problem is that it's often expensive (more so than Village Inn, a comparable restaurant) and the ones near me typically under-cook the breakfast food unless you ask 'em to cook it longer.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;38472491]I'm pretty sure that almost nobody cares about what's good for the people.[/QUOTE] Oddly enough, I do. The people should not suffer for the idiocy of their leaders. The US worked its ass off to get to where it is now, and we're being screwed by the very group of OLD WHITE MEN we built up. Its not fair, and we need to fix it. Your inability to see past your pessimistic view is not only disheartening but makes me angry because it includes with it the idea that humanity is screwed. This very attitude could be the doom for us when we need to truly start fighting global warming as the deadline gets closer and closer to stop it. The human race isn't perfect, its done a lot of fucked up things, but its done a lot of good. We are both animals and not animals at the same time. When animals fight over territory, they do it out of survival and power. When we fight, our men and women come back broken and mentally destoryed because they know, just as we do, that fighting is not the way forward. People fucking care about others. Which is why I propose that for a day, you do nothing but kind things to people. if you choose to accept this challenge, I cannot guaranteeing a prize, but hopefully you grow up a little. /rant over

-welp, fuck. I typed up a nice page reply here and my laptop refuses to acknowledge the enter button. I'll fix this later-

no it was good, put it back

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;38475151]no it was good, put it back[/QUOTE] My laptop refuses to display my own enter key, to so cheers to trying again. If it's total ass, I'll fix it in an hour or so. [QUOTE=Swilly;38474522]Oddly enough, I do. The people should not suffer for the idiocy of their leaders. The US worked its ass off to get to where it is now, and we're being screwed by the very group of OLD WHITE MEN we built up. [B]Its not fair[/B], and we need to fix it. Your inability to see past your pessimistic view is not only disheartening but makes me angry because it includes with it the idea that humanity is screwed. This [B]very attitude could be the doom for us[/B] when we need to truly start [B]fighting global warming as the deadline gets closer and closer to stop it.[/B] The human race isn't perfect, its done a lot of fucked up things, but its done a lot of good. [B]We are both animals and not animals at the same time. When animals fight over territory, they do it out of survival and power. When we fight, our men and women come back broken and mentally destoryed because they know, just as we do, that fighting is not the way forward. [/B] [B][U]People fucking care about others.[/U] Which is why I propose that for a day, you do nothing but kind things to people. if you choose to accept this challenge, I cannot guaranteeing a prize, but hopefully you grow up a little.[/B] /rant over[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, this happy, twinkling eyes attitude made me have to formulate an elaborate response as to why I was laughing in the middle of a PHY2413 lecture. Let me lay down some notions, which I'll apologize in that they're not directly related to the topic. First, life's not fair. End game. Second, we have much fucking larger issues than global warming and eco-babble. The United States has been making a mockery of itself, as a super power, with how hilariously uneducated and bass-awkwards our population is. Not only are we practically split down the middle on important legislation - but our best response is getting irrevocably pissed off any time something is done that doesn't taste kosher. We don't give anything a chance and people have an extremely hard time trying to weigh social and financial issues comparatively. As for the world? We have genocides, people still dying of hunger and thirst, needless wars [there be a big difference between those needed and not, though], media propagation, propaganda, oppressive governments and a whole bucket of other nasty topics. The humanity animal/not-animal is one of the worst arguments ever contrived no matter what field you put it in. Animals kill each other. Animals wage wars. Animals kill each other for no other reason than the fucking sake of, at times (Lion/Spotted Hyena Dynamics.) People don't come back broken because they're not fighting for a good cause. That's probably the most insulting thing I've heard this otherwise fine morning - sans the usual Obama hate I hear here in the South. People come back broken because we are not mentally prepared to watch people's limbs get fucking torn off. Soldiers have a hard time coping with their new best friend talking about his wife one second, and being a pile of fucking organs the next. War is terrible. If you think for a second people get PTSD over stupid political reasons, I question if you've ever talked to a soldier before. Fighting - war, per se - is something that has to be done at times. And sometimes the alternatives are just flat fucking worse for the sake of statistics (Japan, Atom Bomb v. Ground Invasion.) People do not care about one another, as a whole. We are selfish beings. We have friends because we like them, usually, not because we [I]like that they like us[/I]. It's rare you find compassion and altruism in the human race. The sooner you realize this, the better. The world is a terrible place and humanity is disgusting. We get to live in our cozy first-world shells through sheer statistical luck. So instead of pushing peace and fixing the environment (which isn't perfect, but certainly isn't on any brink right now,) why don't we instead fix the problems we have at hand. Better yet - I issue you a challenge, good sir! Make something of yourself - [B]for the sake of fixing these problems.[/B] Go into a science/medical field. Cure a disease, make a life better. Or get into politics and fight tooth-and-nail to fix the shit we have to wade through to get a lick of anything done. Just do something beneficial so you can die with the thought that you did something positive for the human race rather than passing on with no impact. Live for someone other than yourself.

[QUOTE=Doom14;38475242]My laptop refuses to display my own enter key, to so cheers to trying again. If it's total ass, I'll fix it in an hour or so. I'm sorry, this happy, twinkling eyes attitude made me have to formulate an elaborate response as to why I was laughing in the middle of a PHY2413 lecture. Let me lay down some notions, which I'll apologize in that they're not directly related to the topic. First, life's not fair. End game. Second, we have much fucking larger issues than global warming and eco-babble. The United States has been making a mockery of itself, as a super power, with how hilariously uneducated and bass-awkwards our population is. Not only are we practically split down the middle on important legislation - but our best response is getting irrevocably pissed off any time something is done that doesn't taste kosher. We don't give anything a chance and people have an extremely hard time trying to weigh social and financial issues comparatively. As for the world? We have genocides, people still dying of hunger and thirst, needless wars [there be a big difference between those needed and not, though], media propagation, propaganda, oppressive governments and a whole bucket of other nasty topics. The humanity animal/not-animal is one of the worst arguments ever contrived no matter what field you put it in. Animals kill each other. Animals wage wars. Animals kill each other for no other reason than the fucking sake of, at times (Lion/Spotted Hyena Dynamics.) People don't come back broken because they're not fighting for a good cause. That's probably the most insulting thing I've heard this otherwise fine morning - sans the usual Obama hate I hear here in the South. People come back broken because we are not mentally prepared to watch people's limbs get fucking torn off. Soldiers have a hard time coping with their new best friend talking about his wife one second, and being a pile of fucking organs the next. War is terrible. If you think for a second people get PTSD over stupid political reasons, I question if you've ever talked to a soldier before. Fighting - war, per se - is something that has to be done at times. And sometimes the alternatives are just flat fucking worse for the sake of statistics (Japan, Atom Bomb v. Ground Invasion.) People do not care about one another, as a whole. We are selfish beings. We have friends because we like them, usually, not because we [i]like that they like us[/i]. It's rare you find compassion and altruism in the human race. The sooner you realize this, the better. The world is a terrible place and humanity is disgusting. We get to live in our cozy first-world shells through sheer statistical luck. So instead of pushing peace and fixing the environment (which isn't perfect, but certainly isn't on any brink right now,) why don't we instead fix the problems we have at hand. Better yet - I issue you a challenge, good sir! Make something of yourself - [b]for the sake of fixing these problems.[/b] Go into a science/medical field. Cure a disease, make a life better. Or get into politics and fight tooth-and-nail to fix the shit we have to wade through to get a lick of anything done. Just do something beneficial so you can die with the thought that you did something positive for the human race rather than passing on with no impact. Live for someone other than yourself.[/QUOTE] I never said political reasons were the only reasons. Hell, it was more an argument that its both in our morale and survivability interests that we get our heads out our ass and actually start caring for each other.