• New Xbox confirmed: Will be called just "Xbox", $500 (or $300 with a subscription), always-online, $
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[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;40220355]They still have a connection[/QUOTE] What if I wanna play while I'm traveling? Or maybe when I'm overseas in a fucking desert being shot at and I just wanna enjoy madden? Or how about in the future when I wanna play some old XBOX but the servers are down?
I'm not supporting the direction that the Xbox is heading. I just think people are overreacting is all.
[QUOTE=danharibo;40220423]Who are all very sorry to have inconvenienced Microsoft by having a poor connection.[/QUOTE] To be fair, MS doesn't really have to care about them, since they make the most money off people who have decent internet and use XBLG. Economically speaking, it's a step in the right direction to have more control over their users. Logically it's dumb and the servers might not be able to handle it and people with shit internet will get mad.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;40220452]I'm not supporting the direction that the Xbox is heading. I just think people are overreacting is all.[/QUOTE] Internet goes down "well at least i can play video games" *goes and play PS4.
[QUOTE=Zet;40216864]You're talking as if Sony should have used 100% hacker proof servers to store information. Yes they did fuck up for not salting shit, but not everyone is perfect.[/QUOTE] Holy crap, that's how they got hacked? For not using [b]salts[/b]? That's an error that a highschooler shouldn't make... [QUOTE=Van-man;40217142]I have bigger beef with them withdrawing OtherOS support.[/QUOTE] I was as well, it's a really cool feature and it should have stayed.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;40220470]To be fair, MS doesn't really have to care about them, since they make the most money off people who have decent internet and use XBLG. Economically speaking, it's a step in the right direction to have more control over their users. Logically it's dumb and the servers might not be able to handle it and people with shit internet will get mad.[/QUOTE] Which is the root of the problem; Microsoft doesn't care about the 'consumers' (which is of course, a loaded term that implies the average 'consumer' cannot produce content), they just want to make lots of money.
[QUOTE=BenJammin';40214506]"FACEPUNHCH ISNT A HIVE MIND!!11" Anyways I think Xbox 360 is an ok console, but microsofts practices are fucking awful and of course that would send any "real gamer" straight to siding on Sony's side who have made much more of an effort to make a console about games first. Just plain old, straight forward games. No bullshit. If you think there is no such thing as this so called "real gamer", then you are blind though. I hate the name "real gamer", but the term is real and the lines are not very blurred between casual players who couldn't give two shits about bad practices in the videogame industry, and people who have real passion for videogames of all kinds. I feel that sony realizes this and wants to cut a lot of the bullshit out and just get back to games like it used to be.[/QUOTE] My point is it seems like people never learn from their mistakes, everyone thought PS4 was going to be crap because of a whole lot of rumors that never should have existed, and the same thing is happening here. Sony is making a better console, maybe Microsoft is too once they [B][I][U]actually announce it[/U][/I][/B]. I mean really, there has been no official statement from Microsoft just like what happened with Sony, and when they actually announced it we were amazed. If Microsoft actually knows how to compete with Sony, then I suspect that we will be joyful again. People are making a lot of decisions from rumors and this Microsoft employee that is an ass, after Microsoft saw the outcry people made at Adam Orth, they shouldn't be stubborn enough to include always online if it ever existed in the first place. I can't imagine why people would be hating on Microsoft now though (other than their somewhat inability to relate to customers), both consoles have their ups and downs, and I imagine the same will happen again when Microsoft releases their next gen console. Also please note that I am not taking sides, it just seems like a lot of people are being biased for some reason.
[QUOTE=danharibo;40220592]Which is the root of the problem; Microsoft doesn't care about the 'consumers' (which is of course, a loaded term that implies the average 'consumer' cannot produce content), they just want to make lots of money.[/QUOTE] Microsoft cares about the consumers. But only about the ones who can actually consume. If they do go always online, that obviously means the consumers who are always online are worth enough to let go of the ones who don't (who probably don't get XBLG and get a couple games per year or something, and since they sell their hardware at a loss that wouldn't be considered profitable.) No company cares about the consumers more than it does about profit. Companies only care about the consumers when it can end up with a bigger profit to them (Before you say Valve, they provide a good service, which grants them excellent PR and free word of mouth publicity, and a vast army of internet white knights, and therefore a large, steady profit.)
[QUOTE=latin_geek;40220810]Microsoft cares about the consumers. But only about the ones who can actually consume. If they do go always online, that obviously means the consumers who are always online are worth enough to let go of the ones who don't (who probably don't get XBLG and get a couple games per year or something, and since they sell their hardware at a loss that wouldn't be considered profitable.) No company cares about the consumers more than it does about profit. Companies only care about the consumers when it can end up with a bigger profit to them (Before you say Valve, they provide a good service, which grants them excellent PR and free word of mouth publicity, and a vast army of internet white knights, and therefore a large, steady profit.)[/QUOTE] You raise a good point with Valve, their relation with the customers / hat production facility means that they still get a healthy profit. The problem is that Microsoft is in charge of a lot of the "fundemental" computing unit - the console or the computer. when it comes to computers it's fairly easy to do what you want with it. The problem is that when it comes to 'consoles' (whatever on earth that means anymore) you're usually stuck with the locked down system that they give you, which as all well and good for the disconcerting console gamer but if you're trying to do your own thing you're out of luck. I have no complaint with the Xbox if it says in the corner as part of a wider ecosystem, but Microsoft has shown multiple times that if they get a hold of a monopoly they don't take kindly to competition; hence it is something I'm keen to avoid.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;40220355]They still have a connection[/QUOTE] What about people who have internet that drops out every couple of seconds, what about dial-up? Yes, I am bringing that up, it is still internet. What about people who lives out of town? My friend does and his internet isn't very good.
[QUOTE=Xonax;40221030]What about people who have internet that drops out every couple of seconds, what about dial-up? Yes, I am bringing that up, it is still internet. What about people who lives out of town? My friend does and his internet isn't very good.[/QUOTE] maybe those people just shouldn't get an xbox then.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;40221456]maybe those people just shouldn't get an xbox then.[/QUOTE] Or maybe the console shoudn't require someone to be online.
[QUOTE=don818;40214356]You people spent almost 9 pages arguing about a fucking console? Either you buy it or you don't. That's the issue. There are tons of other things that can be arguable, but have alternatives. This is one of those things.[/QUOTE] So, you spergs rate this dumb, and continue on your fueled rage rant on the Xbox without acknowledging why this is dumb... You just proved my point.
[QUOTE=don818;40221666]So, you spergs rate this dumb, and continue on your fueled rage rant on the Xbox without acknowledging why this is dumb... You just proved my point.[/QUOTE] You're dumb because this is an internet form and [B]that's the point of a forum, to debate, discuss, argue. no matter how "stupid"[/B] what are we going to do? have a "Friendly talk about alternatives", that's [B]boring[/B] [editline]9th April 2013[/editline] also "sperg" and "Proved my point". Come on man.
Wait, what? The PS4 can't play games from the PS3? But, can't I like, get it through PSN and play them there or...? (kinda like you would use Steam on 2 different computers, in this case, a PS3 and a PS4)
[QUOTE=dass;40222109]Wait, what? The PS4 can't play games from the PS3? But, can't I like, get it through PSN and play them there or...? (kinda like you would use Steam on 2 different computers, in this case, a PS3 and a PS4)[/QUOTE] No, it's impossible. The hardware doesn't support it.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;40222255]No, it's impossible. The hardware doesn't support it.[/QUOTE] So I'd have to use either Akai or whatever that thing they talked about was or just get a PS3 altogether? I see, that answers my questions then. Thank you.
[QUOTE=dass;40222916]So I'd have to use either Akai or whatever that thing they talked about was or just get a PS3 altogether? I see, that answers my questions then. Thank you.[/QUOTE] I think they mentioned something about possibly letting you re-buy PS1/PS2/PS3 games as a download, though. They said they looking into it, not they will definitely do it.
It's completely impossible to play PS3 games on the PS4 because the architecture is completely different. The only way is actually rewriting the game engine of that game. [editline]10th April 2013[/editline] I hope MS try to get BC for the firsrt xbox working, it's completely possible, and they wouldn't even need to use extra hardware as they are both x86
[QUOTE=dass;40222109]Wait, what? The PS4 can't play games from the PS3? But, can't I like, get it through PSN and play them there or...? (kinda like you would use Steam on 2 different computers, in this case, a PS3 and a PS4)[/QUOTE] Nope, architecture is different. In fact, the only reason you could play PS2 games on your PS3 is because they basically stuck a good amount of the PS2's hardware into the fat PS3s. That's one of the reasons it was [I]FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE YOO ESS DOLLAS[/I] They later got the tech to emulate PS2 games, which they used on like one european SCPH because the emulation was really bad. And of course PS1 is emulated, because it was pretty old and the CELL processor could handle it. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of PS2 stuff coming out for the PS4 if sony decides to do that, a console two generations behind should be easy to emulate on the eight-core x86 PS4. Likewise it's pretty odd that the new Xbox doesn't have BC, since all Xboxes use the same architecture and Xbox BC on X360 is pretty damn good.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;40226444]it's pretty odd that the new Xbox doesn't have BC, since all Xboxes use the same architecture and Xbox BC on X360 is pretty damn good.[/QUOTE] Wasn't the original Xbox x86 and the 360 PowerPC?
[QUOTE=dass;40222916]So I'd have to use either Akai or whatever that thing they talked about was or just get a PS3 altogether? I see, that answers my questions then. Thank you.[/QUOTE] From what they said at the press conference, yeah, that seems like the only options so far. But there's still a decent amount of time before now and then, it's possible they could put in / develop some sort of emulation for PS3 games (Kinda like the PSP mode on the Vita), or do quick ports of the game for the PS4 hardware (Done via an update after downloading the game.) Just some wishful thinking on my part, but hey, we can all want to believe, can't we?
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;40226582]Wasn't the original Xbox x86 and the 360 PowerPC?[/QUOTE] Yup. So where the fuck was my 360 emulator for my 2006 PPC Mac? :v:
Chad Warden was right from the start
[QUOTE=doommarine23;40207057]Didn't that troll move on anyway?[/QUOTE] nope [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NkN3Edw.jpeg[/IMG]
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