• Trump, once again, validates leaked intelligence in crybaby Twitter rant, telling NY Times to apolog
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[QUOTE=space1;51831899]yes the same women who demonized black americans in the past and also advocated for a border "barrier" is somehow better than the man says the exact same things about different people.[/QUOTE] this has to be the most asinine points I've ever seen she isn't doing it now what is even your point?? do you actually have one?
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51831393]This buffoon being in the Oval Office today is all the Democrat supporters' fault for not getting out to fucking vote on election day. So many states swung with such a small difference of votes had just a few hundred thousand people voted Democrat, evenly distributed among those states, Clinton would be president now. Instead we have this poor orange excuse for a "human" being complaining about "failing newspapers" and berating reporters for doing their fucking jobs, which is you know, journalism :downs:[/QUOTE] but democrats still went out to vote 3 million more people voted for the democrats than the republicans - yet somehow they lost i'm not blaming this on the democrats, because as far as I can see it, the democrats won the majority of votes in america and therefore the consent of the population. trump lost by a margin of 3 million votes but was appointed president anyways
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51830940][Media]https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/831879777715908610[/media][/QUOTE] I hope wikileaks leaks something insanely nasty on trump tbh
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51832029]but democrats still went out to vote 3 million more people voted for the democrats than the republicans - yet somehow they lost i'm not blaming this on the democrats, because as far as I can see it, the democrats won the majority of votes in america and therefore the consent of the population. trump lost by a margin of 3 million votes but was appointed president anyways[/QUOTE] In the end, it's still Trump who's president thanks to the electoral college. If he had to lose, many more democrat voters should have voted, especially considering how low the actual turnout ended up in some states. The margins speak for themselves, less than 2 percent in several swing states, and he still won them. Had literally 107,000 people between the three states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Detroit alone went out to vote for Clinton, she, not Trump, would have been president, thanks to that total of 49 electoral seats.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51831913]Well at least Clinton has a respect for democracy.[/QUOTE] Oh yea, like that one time her tag team sabotaged Bernie Sander's chance and pretty much gave Trump the presidency on a silver platter. Truly a lady of the people /s [editline]fff[/editline] How can you say that bullshit with a straight face? Are you proboardslol's alt?
It's like we're witnessing a man at the end of is rope.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51832035]I hope wikileaks leaks something insanely nasty on trump tbh[/QUOTE] Dude, a Comedy Central Roast was dedicated to him. He's happy to receive sick zingers as long as he's the center of attention
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51832175]Dude, a Comedy Central Roast was dedicated to him. He's happy to receive sick zingers as long as he's the center of attention[/QUOTE] Roasts are dedicated as friendly insults and playful banter not leaking dirty tax / russia / whatever information on him that could get him into legitimate legal trouble there is a clear and blatant difference really
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51831919]Do you legitimately think trump is better than Hillary?[/QUOTE] I think they're just as bad but in different areas. Just as how one supported the TPP and the other did not. While it is impossible to know what they would put into practice, I imagine she would just sign the TPP into law silently after some "changes" that don't fix anything, just like how Obama did with SOPA, yet still ratified ACTA(which failed in the EU and was shoehorned into the TPP). Also, with how scared the intelligence community is of Trump, that makes me very excited to see what will come of that. I'm hoping he gets pissed off and cuts the NSA out of the budget or something(however unlikely that is). I mean hell, Trump supposedly got a better deal on airforce one and repealed the TPP, so it isn't all 100% bad.
[QUOTE=space1;51832227] Also, with how scared the intelligence community is of Trump, that makes me very excited to see what will come of that. I'm hoping he gets pissed off and cuts the NSA out of the budget or something(however unlikely that is). [/QUOTE] Good god, at least actual sheep have the decency to contribute to the textile industry. Maybe if you get the idea to start thinking for once, you might realize that nearly every shady thing done by intelligence agencies has been done with the explicit approval or direction of the president and congress, and maybe see beyond his tantrums at them telling him things he doesn't want to hear, and realize the man who wants increased intelligence on foreigners, the return of enhanced interrogation, and the execution of whistleblowers is not the man who's going to be reining them in.
[QUOTE=space1;51832227]i think they're just as bad but in different areas. just as how one supported the TPP and the other did not. Also, with how scared the intelligence community is of Trump, that makes me very excited to see what will come of that. I'm hoping he gets pissed off and cuts the NSA out of the budget or something(however unlikely that is). I mean hell, Trump supposedly got a better deal on airforce one and repealed the TPP, so it isn't all 100% bad.[/QUOTE] He also: - cut the coal mining regulations because "jobs" - wants to cut out the Dodd-Frank law - appointed a moron to the department of education with no experience as a teacher in any form - Calls whichever parts of the media disagreeing with him as "fake" news - Is bending over for Putin instead of talking tough and may have potentially received kickbacks from the Russian Government - Threatened to start another Iraq War to take the rest of their oil - Has no self control but rants like a manchild on Twitter - Claimed he wouldn't go to heaven (lmao) if he didn't win the elections - Is at loggerheads with the SCOTUS - Hasn't distanced himself from his businesses, in fact has doubled prices at his resort since his election - Refused to block entry of Muslims from Saudi because his businesses are there, he buys their oil, and other reasons I can come up with many, many more things if I take the time.
[QUOTE=space1;51832227]I think they're just as bad but in different areas. Just as how one supported the TPP and the other did not. While it is impossible to know what they would put into practice, I imagine she would just sign the TPP into law silently after some "changes" that don't fix anything, just like how Obama did with SOPA, yet still ratified ACTA(which failed in the EU and was shoehorned into the TPP). Also, with how scared the intelligence community is of Trump, that makes me very excited to see what will come of that. I'm hoping he gets pissed off and cuts the NSA out of the budget or something(however unlikely that is). I mean hell, Trump supposedly got a better deal on airforce one and repealed the TPP, so it isn't all 100% bad.[/QUOTE] Speaking in terms of what Trump wants to do, there are some things I agree with him on, certainly things that put me to the right of many people on FP. So I feel like I'm a bit more sympathetic to the "not 100% bad" argument than most. I could be wrong and overstating my moderation though. Speaking in terms of what Trump has done, I'm not convinced he had anything to do with the Air Force One revision price cut and even if I was absolutely sure Clinton would have went ahead with TPP (highly doubtful but for the sake of argument), I'd rather have a president who signs questionable free trade agreements that can be canceled as soon as the next person enters office than have a president who goes out of his way to attack the press as Trump has done. I've shifted from supporting Sanders, to supporting Clinton purely out of her being the best counter to Trump, to despising Clinton and feeling like her losing was a good thing, to now feeling like I should have done more to get her elected. I tried really, really hard to take a positive or at least moderate stance with Trump but it seems like every day he just does things that are bewildering at best, concerning at worst and I feel like a literal fraud like Clinton would have been a better choice for the country.
[QUOTE=space1;51832227]Also, with how scared the intelligence community is of Trump, that makes me very excited to see what will come of that. I'm hoping he gets pissed off and cuts the NSA out of the budget or something(however unlikely that is).[/QUOTE] The intelligence community isn't afraid of Trump because he's got some kind of stance against invasive surveillance. They're afraid of him because he's potentially a massive threat to national security and foreign relations.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;51832242] Maybe if you get the idea to start thinking for once, you might realize that nearly every shady thing done by intelligence agencies has been done with the explicit approval or direction of the president and congress,[/QUOTE] if you read the leaks you would know this isn't true at all. this is the irony of YOU calling me a sheep.
just once I'd love to see a trump supporter admit how much of a fucking hypocrite this guy is but these people are so delusional I doubt this'll ever happen
[QUOTE=space1;51832227]I think they're just as bad but in different areas. Just as how one supported the TPP and the other did not. While it is impossible to know what they would put into practice, I imagine she would just sign the TPP into law silently after some "changes" that don't fix anything, just like how Obama did with SOPA, yet still ratified ACTA(which failed in the EU and was shoehorned into the TPP). Also, with how scared the intelligence community is of Trump, that makes me very excited to see what will come of that. I'm hoping he gets pissed off and cuts the NSA out of the budget or something(however unlikely that is). I mean hell, Trump supposedly got a better deal on airforce one and repealed the TPP, so it isn't all 100% bad.[/QUOTE] you have no idea how the IC is funded, do you also i guarantee you the IC has enough on trump to sink him, if he does something stupid like defund NSA, trump's time left in the oval office will be measured in hours
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51832250]He also: - wants to cut out the Dodd-Frank law - Is bending over for Putin instead of talking tough and may have potentially received kickbacks from the Russian Government - Has no self control but rants like a manchild on Twitter.[/QUOTE] 1 - Dodd-frank isn't exactly 100% good from what I've heard... I mean sure some of the protections it gives are probably great, but usually they hide deregulation within these huge blanket bills. I'll have to revisit this to make an accurate judgement. I do know for a fact that the GLBA, while bringing in a lot of sensible regulation, also DEREGULATED the financial industry and probably contributed to the recession of 2008. 2 - I don't think Trump himself has any involvement in that, but his incompetent lackies definitely did. It's impossible to know the full scale of things and make an accurate assessment at this time. 3 - I think if you want to have a civil conversation about politics, this sort of subjective bullshit has no place in it.
[QUOTE=space1;51833129]1 - Dodd-frank isn't exactly 100% good from what I've heard... I mean sure some of the protections it gives are probably great, but usually they hide deregulation within these huge blanket bills. I'll have to revisit this to make an accurate judgement. I do know for a fact that the GLBA, while bringing in a lot of sensible regulation, also DEREGULATED the financial industry and probably contributed to the recession of 2008.[/quote] "I've heard", "I do know", "probably", "usually", but then you post this: [quote]3 - I think if you want to have a civil conversation about politics, this sort of subjective bullshit has no place in it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=space1;51833129]1 - Dodd-frank isn't exactly 100% good from what I've heard... I mean sure some of the protections it gives are probably great, but usually they hide deregulation within these huge blanket bills. I'll have to revisit this to make an accurate judgement. I do know for a fact that the GLBA, while bringing in a lot of sensible regulation, also DEREGULATED the financial industry and probably contributed to the recession of 2008. 2 - I don't think Trump himself has any involvement in that, but his incompetent lackies definitely did. It's impossible to know the full scale of things and make an accurate assessment at this time. 3 - I think if you want to have a civil conversation about politics, this sort of subjective bullshit has no place in it.[/QUOTE] What's subjective about him having no self control? He clearly shows that he doesnt and you can't sent him ranting on twitter with very little to set him off
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51832363] I've shifted from supporting Sanders, to supporting Clinton purely out of her being the best counter to Trump, to despising Clinton and feeling like her losing was a good thing, to now feeling like I should have done more to get her elected. I tried really, really hard to take a positive or at least moderate stance with Trump but it seems like every day he just does things that are bewildering at best, concerning at worst and I feel like a literal fraud like Clinton would have been a better choice for the country.[/QUOTE] Now you see, this is what I dislike most about you. Rather than sticking to your beliefs you bastardize your principals based on what's currently out there. I'd much rather you take the time to learn more about politics and build upon your theories as to what works best rather than just knowing the basics and picking who you favor most based upon how closely they match you. If you ever noticed, you will note that my main sentiment isn't that Trump is good, but far from it. I actually think he's just as bad as Clinton, in many ways. Infact, I didn't vote for either of them because I didn't want to have that guilt on my conscience. It was an awful decision to have to make. Sort of like asking someone "would you rather be shot in the head or poisoned?".
[QUOTE=space1;51833129]1 - Dodd-frank isn't exactly 100% good from what I've heard... I mean sure some of the protections it gives are probably great, but usually they hide deregulation within these huge blanket bills. I'll have to revisit this to make an accurate judgement. I do know for a fact that the GLBA, while bringing in a lot of sensible regulation, also DEREGULATED the financial industry and probably contributed to the recession of 2008. 2 - I don't think Trump himself has any involvement in that, but his incompetent lackies definitely did. It's impossible to know the full scale of things and make an accurate assessment at this time. 3 - I think if you want to have a civil conversation about politics, this sort of subjective bullshit has no place in it.[/QUOTE] "They hide deregulation" Hold the fucking phone. You're saying a regulatory bill actually deregulates things, because you "Probably" know enough to talk about it? How about you don't fucking do that? 2) Pure conjecture. 3) Why? Why is how a grown man handles himself publicly whilst holding the most prolific office on earth not a concern? Not of value? Not worthy of discussion? Be real for one second and think about how important that office is, then stop, and take a further step back, and ask yourself why it might be important that the most important office in the world, is headed by a person who acts sensibly
[QUOTE=space1;51833190]Now you see, this is what I dislike most about you. Rather than sticking to your beliefs you bastardize your principals based on what's currently out there. I'd much rather you take the time to learn more about politics and build upon your theories as to what works best rather than just knowing the basics and picking who you favor most based upon how closely they match you. If you ever noticed, you will note that my main sentiment isn't that Trump is good, but far from it. I actually think he's just as bad as Clinton, in many ways. Infact, I didn't vote for either of them because I didn't want to have that guilt on my conscience. It was an awful decision to have to make.[/QUOTE] I feel like I have a pretty good grip on all three. What part of my post lead you to believe I was bastardizing my principals?
[QUOTE=space1;51833190]Now you see, this is what I dislike most about you. Rather than sticking to your beliefs you bastardize your principals based on what's currently out there. I'd much rather you take the time to learn more about politics and build upon your theories as to what works best rather than just knowing the basics and picking who you favor most based upon how closely they match you. If you ever noticed, you will note that my main sentiment isn't that Trump is good, but far from it. I actually think he's just as bad as Clinton, in many ways. Infact, I didn't vote for either of them because I didn't want to have that guilt on my conscience. It was an awful decision to have to make.[/QUOTE] I don't think you have a leg to stand on when the last few sentences are your view
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51833199]"They hide deregulation" Hold the fucking phone. You're saying a regulatory bill actually deregulates things, because you "Probably" know enough to talk about it? How about you don't fucking do that? 2) Pure conjecture. 3) Why? Why is how a grown man handles himself publicly whilst holding the most prolific office on earth not a concern? Not of value? Not worthy of discussion? Be real for one second and think about how important that office is, then stop, and take a further step back, and ask yourself why it might be important that the most important office in the world, is headed by a person who acts sensibly[/QUOTE] if you're going to challenge me on this of all things you definitely do not know who the FUCK you are talking to; [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act[/URL] [quote] It repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies that prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company.[/quote]
[QUOTE=space1;51833233]if you're going to challenge me on this of all thing you definitely do not know who the FUCK you are talking to; [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act[/URL][/QUOTE] Uhm yes, your point? Bills have multiple facets, the Dodd frank replaced the glass Steagal act and changed somethings. The Dodd frank act is a very good thing generally speaking
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51833117]you have no idea how the IC is funded, do you also i guarantee you the IC has enough on trump to sink him, if he does something stupid like defund NSA, trump's time left in the oval office will be measured in hours[/QUOTE] Is this a good thing to you? That the intelligence community would leak information out of spite?
[QUOTE=lanhacker1488;51833271]Is this a good thing to you? That the intelligence community would leak information out of spite?[/QUOTE] I guess you would sit back and let your boss take your job and every coworkers job from you and them without a fight
[media]https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/832335085961633792[/media] Damn, Shepard has some massive balls by saying this. Props to him, seems like the only Fox News person with a spine at the moment
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51833281]I guess you would sit back and let your boss take your job and every coworkers job from you and them without a fight[/QUOTE] Maybe not. But would I commit crimes or act unethically to "fight back"? I hope not. I assume these people have signed contracts and accepted the responsibilities detailed therein, I don't get to break an NDA just because I get fired when my services are no longer needed nor wanted. I can see the point in leaking documents that objectively will bring improvement to the country or the state of affairs, but in that case I'd rather see them leaked in order to help the country and not as a desperate way of retaining your power.
[QUOTE=lanhacker1488;51833271]Is this a good thing to you? That the intelligence community would leak information out of spite?[/QUOTE] The more clarity the better, no matter the intentions.
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