• RUMOR: Next Xbox 'to boast ridiculously powerful 16-core CPU'
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Being that most games don't even utilize more than two cores, this is an unlikely upgrade. Microsoft would more likely put a processor with a faster clock speed in it and throw in some more ram.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35510427]Okay, let's sequence the events 1. Post about how PCs will be quick to outperform these (rumored) consoles 2. You bitch about how PC fanboys will rate a post agree when it's, y'know, the truth 3. "WELL IT'S NOT MY FAULT I'M NOT SOME STUPID TROLL FANBOY"[/QUOTE] So let me get this straight, a PC fanboy makes fun of the consoles and is basically a hero, a console fanboy or supporter makes fun of a PC and is labelled a heretic who must die a thousand deaths. Clearly you aren't reading my posts properly so I'll give you one more chance to read my posts again. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;35510437]All you've done is ad hominem out the ass. If you aren't going to back up your terrible posts with factual information then leave.[/QUOTE] Make your posts cool by adding latin, not bad. It is truth by what I'm saying but sadly you ignorant fanboys will defend your PC to your death beds.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35510148]And people like you love to generalize about PC fanboys. See how well I can generalize too. You're hearing only people who speak. They do not represent the entire group but by generalizing it you're offending everyone including the people who do not speak shit.[/QUOTE] It's not hard to generalise PC fanboys, because they are all pretty much the same "LMAO PC MASTUR RAECCC!!!" idiots who shit up any thread about a console. Don't defend fanboys of anything, they aren't worth it. Don't align yourself with them, it makes you an idiot. You will be called a fanboy for exhibiting fanboy behaviours. Not because you think you are one. Generalising fanboys of anything is acceptable as fanboys are quite rigid in how they think about a subject.
[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;35510454]So let me get this straight, a PC fanboy makes fun of the consoles and is basically a hero, a console fanboy or supporter makes fun of a PC and is labelled a heretic who must die a thousand deaths. Clearly you aren't reading my posts properly so I'll give you one more chance to read my posts again.[/QUOTE] Because you are denying the fact that technology in PCs will be quick to surpass consoles, which it definitely has, and there's no reason for it not to be true for the next Xbox.
[QUOTE=J!NX;35510447]it's true, you can't change anything on an xbox, but you can a PC, therefor pc's are better for that but pc's are harder to get or more expensive to the mainstream because not everyone knows to build it custom, thus consoles are way better for the mainsteam[/QUOTE] Where in there does it say I said consoles are perfect and is actually in relation to my quoted post? [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;35510473]Because you are denying the fact that technology in PCs will be quick to surpass consoles, which it definitely has, and there's no reason for it not to be true for the next Xbox.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing about the technology...for the fourth time.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;35510340]If you're going to go that parallel with your processing then you might aswell use a gpu.[/QUOTE] GPUs aren't good at all types of processing. The same way CPUs aren't very good at processing things we use GPUs for. GPUs are quite flexible, yes, but it's not some wonder device.
[QUOTE=I Am A Rock;35509409]AMD 16 Core aka 8 core "hyperthreaded" or whatever AMD's version of the technology is. AMD needs to stop marking virtual cores as physical cores.[/QUOTE] Because amd is the one that started it, right?
[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;35510481]Where in there does it say I said consoles are perfect and is actually in relation to my quoted post?[/QUOTE] You seem quick to deny that PCs are technologically superior (this is a fact) and favor the phrase "you ignorant fanboys" Sure, it's not explicitly stated but you're denying what is an inevitable truth solely because "hey, look at these ignorant PC fanboys"
[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;35510481]Where in there does it say I said consoles are perfect and is actually in relation to my quoted post? [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] I'm not arguing about the technology...for the fourth time.[/QUOTE] I never said you said consoles are perfect, I even pointed out the positives of consoles consoles have far greater availability and easier to use. pop a game in after hooking up, done. PC? You have every PC issue that comes with it, and the gaming market constantly grows out of your current PC, thus you need to upgrade.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35510440]Taking the AMD strategy I see microsoft? The reason the PS3 was such an anus to program for was it's 6 cores and bizzareitechture - I suspect this isn't true[/QUOTE] As long as the CPUs used in the next gen of consoles are a known architecture, programming for them, and any number of cores, will be infinitely easier than the Cell was to program for. They are rumoured to be look at x86_64 CPUs or something last I remember.
[QUOTE=J!NX;35510510]I never said you said consoles are perfect, I even pointed out the positives of consoles consoles have far greater availability and easier to use[/QUOTE] But why quote my post where I said that I never said they were perfect? Don't think pointing out a couple of good features about the Xbox means you're let off with good behaviour.
[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;35510481]I'm not arguing about the technology...for the fourth time.[/QUOTE] Then what is your argument? Your first post is "I bet this post will get a lot of agrees because PC fanboys." Congratulations! You identified a demographic while categorizing everyone into that group, offending people like J!NX who actually have both and see the pros and cons of each.
[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;35510531]But why quote my post where I said that I never said they were perfect? Don't think pointing out a couple of good features about the Xbox means you're let off with good behaviour.[/QUOTE] I just said they're basically equal to eachother and I'm still a fanboy? And I was pointing out how pc has it's flaws too, I don't think it's perfect either lol, if I was a PC fanboy I'd be arguing that consoles are the cancer of gaming, which they aren't
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35510508]You seem quick to deny that PCs are technologically superior (this is a fact) and favor the phrase "you ignorant fanboys" Sure, it's not explicitly stated but you're denying what is an inevitable truth solely because "hey, look at these ignorant PC fanboys"[/QUOTE] Boy, sure sounds like uneccesary defensiveness in here! He never once denied that PCs are technically superior to consoles. He never once claimed that a console is outright better than a PC in terms of processing power. He just pointed out that PC fanboys tend to be ignorant motherfuckers who have to [B]constantly[/B] point out that consoles are going to be using older tech in every single fucking announcement about them. There is no need for it. It's a commonly known fact that consoles use older hardware. Stop going on about it and shut the fuck up about PCs in console announcement/ rumour threads for once.
[QUOTE=Hakita;35510446]I cant believe someone is still using '... not'. Its fucking retarded and has never been cool or funny.[/QUOTE] Thank you for your very interesting and thoughtful input into this argument. Just kidding. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;35510558]Boy, sure sounds like uneccesary defensiveness in here! He never once denied that PCs are technically superior to consoles. He never once claimed that a console is outright better than a PC in terms of processing power. He just pointed out that PC fanboys tend to be ignorant motherfuckers who have to [B]constantly[/B] point out that consoles are going to be using older tech in every single fucking announcement about them. There is no need for it. It's a commonly known fact that consoles use older hardware. Stop going on about it and shut the fuck up about PCs in console announcement/ rumour threads for once.[/QUOTE] THANK YOU. The only person in this thread who can actually take the time to read my posts. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;35510545]I just said they're basically equal to eachother and I'm still a fanboy? And I was pointing out how pc has it's flaws too, I don't think it's perfect either lol, if I was a PC fanboy I'd be arguing that consoles are the cancer of gaming, which they aren't[/QUOTE] I didn't call you a fanboy in that post. lol
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35510524]As long as the CPUs used in the next gen of consoles are a known architecture, programming for them, and any number of cores, will be infinitely easier than the Cell was to program for. They are rumoured to be look at x86_64 CPUs or something last I remember.[/QUOTE] And what conceivable use would a video game make of 16 x86 cores? And it wouldn't exactly meet the 150W power draw of the previous Xbox either - the CPU alone would take that much, and of course, that means lots of heat. Also the BUTTHURT in this thread is beautiful.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35510536]Then what is your argument? Your first post is "I bet this post will get a lot of agrees because PC fanboys." Congratulations! You identified a demographic while categorizing everyone into that group, offending people like J!NX who actually have both and see the pros and cons of each.[/QUOTE] Do I have to post it again? PC Fanboys can be categorised, fanboys of anything can be categorised, that's why we have the term fanboy. To stick those annoying fuckheads who refuse to see that anything that isn't their chosen fan-subject is utter shit. J!NX shouldn't have taken any offence from that at all unless he is a moron who doesn't understand what a fanboy actually is. Owning and liking and PC to play games over a console doesn't make you a fanboy. Being an obnoxious fuck who has to constantly posts "LMAO CONSOLES SUCCKKKKK!" and has to point out they are "inferior" in every thread is being a annoying fuckhead.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35510536]Then what is your argument? Your first post is "I bet this post will get a lot of agrees because PC fanboys." Congratulations! You identified a demographic while categorizing everyone into that group, offending people like J!NX who actually have both and see the pros and cons of each.[/QUOTE] Read my posts for the fifth time and then make a suitable reply. Until then, be quiet.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35510558]Boy, sure sounds like uneccesary defensiveness in here! He never once denied that PCs are technically superior to consoles. He never once claimed that a console is outright better than a PC in terms of processing power. He just pointed out that PC fanboys tend to be ignorant motherfuckers who have to [B]constantly[/B] point out that consoles are going to be using older tech in every single fucking announcement about them. There is no need for it. It's a commonly known fact that consoles use older hardware. Stop going on about it and shut the fuck up about PCs in console announcement/ rumour threads for once.[/QUOTE] I pointed that out because of what he said as a joke. but of course you take me as being a total fanboy because of that and cannot see the joke [QUOTE=hexpunK;35510577]Do I have to post it again? PC Fanboys can be categorised, fanboys of anything can be categorised, that's why we have the term fanboy. To stick those annoying fuckheads who refuse to see that anything that isn't their chosen fan-subject is utter shit. J!NX shouldn't have taken any offence from that at all unless he is a moron who doesn't understand what a fanboy actually is. Owning and liking and PC to play games over a console doesn't make you a fanboy. Being an obnoxious fuck who has to constantly posts "LMAO CONSOLES SUCCKKKKK!" and has to point out they are "inferior" in every thread is being a annoying fuckhead.[/QUOTE] " J!NX shouldn't have taken any offence from that at all unless he is a moron who doesn't understand what a fanboy actually is." I didn't take offense, it was a joke, but since he ran with it, I'm not taking it back. Though it is pretty true at the same time and how angry you are over that makes you look like some offended console fanboy [QUOTE=EzioAuditore;35510560] I didn't call you a fanboy in that post. lol[/QUOTE] was regarding other posts
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35510508]You seem quick to deny that PCs are technologically superior (this is a fact) and favor the phrase "you ignorant fanboys" Sure, it's not explicitly stated but you're denying what is an inevitable truth solely because "hey, look at these ignorant PC fanboys"[/QUOTE] I'm not answering this, I never once talked about the technology of the PC or Xbox so for the last time, be quiet.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35510558]Boy, sure sounds like uneccesary defensiveness in here! He never once denied that PCs are technically superior to consoles. He never once claimed that a console is outright better than a PC in terms of processing power. He just pointed out that PC fanboys tend to be ignorant motherfuckers who have to [B]constantly[/B] point out that consoles are going to be using older tech in every single fucking announcement about them. There is no need for it. It's a commonly known fact that consoles use older hardware. Stop going on about it and shut the fuck up about PCs in console announcement/ rumour threads for once.[/QUOTE] So, let me get this straight It's rumored the next Xbox will have a 16-core (8 core w/ HT) processor, which is no small technical feat. And PC fanboys are "ignorant motherfuckers" for pointing out that A) the technology will be useless for consoles, and B) it's not a lot to brag about when we already have the technology in enthusiast computers, or will by the time the console is released? I'm sorry, but it's not an interesting discussion if everyone just drops by and says "well, that's cool I guess"
[QUOTE=J!NX;35510579]I pointed that out because of what he said as a joke. but of course you take me as being a total fanboy because of that and cannot see the joke[/QUOTE] That was a joke?
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35510571]And what conceivable use would a video game make of 16 x86 cores? And it wouldn't exactly meet the 150W power draw of the previous Xbox either - the CPU alone would take that much, and of course, that means lots of heat.[/QUOTE] A game itself doesn't need to use all the cores. But it allows for a bit more flexibility. In the PS3, 1 SPU on the cell was dedicated to the OS, one to the network functions and the other 5 remaining were dedicated to the game. Allowing the OS and network stuff to run fine in the background, while the game had enough cores to handle graphics, audio, loading and playing at the same time easily. Though very few developers used it properly. MS seem to want the Kinect for this console to use a few cores, the OS to use a few, Live to use a core and whatever is left goes to the game. Good idea to be honest. Not good for the price or power draw (unless it's like a 22-35nm manufacture process CPU). [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;35510579]I pointed that out because of what he said as a joke. but of course you take me as being a total fanboy because of that and cannot see the joke[/QUOTE] I never called you explicitly a fanboy. You don't exhibit fanboy behaviours normally, so I see no reason to label you one. Holy mother fuck have all of you here recently suffered massive head injuries or something? Have you all lost the ability to actually read and comprehend what a post contains? Not once have I called anyone here a fanboy explicitly, I merely defined a fanboy to point out you are all being ridiculous.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35510611]I never called you explicitly a fanboy. You don't exhibit fanboy behaviours normally, so I see no reason to label you one. Holy mother fuck have all of you here recently suffered massive head injuries or something? Have you all lost the ability to actually read and comprehend what a post contains? Not once have I called anyone here a fanboy explicitly, I merely defined a fanboy to point out you are all being ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Have you suffered a head injury? Because you seem to be absolutely pissed off about such a silly little thing and when you were talking about how pc fanboys have to note that pc's will outdo console and how my post said that, it looked like you did
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35510594]So, let me get this straight It's rumored the next Xbox will have a 16-core (8 core w/ HT) processor, which is no small technical feat. And PC fanboys are "ignorant motherfuckers" for pointing out that A) the technology will be useless for consoles, and B) it's not a lot to brag about when we already have the technology in enthusiast computers, or will by the time the console is released? I'm sorry, but it's not an interesting discussion if everyone just drops by and says "well, that's cool I guess"[/QUOTE] Yeah, cool, the CPU is probably overkill for a console, it isn't that amazing, and probably isn't worth bragging about. But does that justify people coming into threads about a console just to say "my PC is better anyway"? No, it doesn't. There is no need for it. Again, I have not called anyone a fanboy, I have just defined fanboys. The people coming in to say that the CPU is probably going to go unused aren't being fanboys. But people who have to post that PCs are better constantly are. Again, you are all being far too defensive over this. Do you really want to look like PC fanboys or something? Because it's starting to seem that way.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35510594]So, let me get this straight It's rumored the next Xbox will have a 16-core (8 core w/ HT) processor, which is no small technical feat. And PC fanboys are "ignorant motherfuckers" for pointing out that A) the technology will be useless for consoles, and B) it's not a lot to brag about when we already have the technology in enthusiast computers, or will by the time the console is released? I'm sorry, but it's not an interesting discussion if everyone just drops by and says "well, that's cool I guess"[/QUOTE] -snip-
[QUOTE=J!NX;35510651]Have you suffered a head injury? Because you seem to be absolutely pissed off about such a silly little thing[/QUOTE] I'm slightly pissed off that almost every fucking thread about a new console seems to devolve to this shit because people can't seem to just accept that consoles use older hardware without having to point out a PC is better hardware wise. There is no "discussion" in the threads after that, just shit like this.
Y'know, I'd love to stick around and watch the big debate between all of you guys, but could you take this to a mass debate thread or something? On-Topic: 16 CPU Cores in a console? I think Xbox World was having a lucid dream or something.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35510656]Yeah, cool, the CPU is probably overkill for a console, it isn't that amazing, and probably isn't worth bragging about. But does that justify people coming into threads about a console just to say "my PC is better anyway"? No, it doesn't. There is no need for it. Again, I have no called anyone a fanboy, I have just defined fanboys. The people coming in to say that the CPU is probably going to go unused aren't being fanboys. But people who have to post that PCs are better constantly are. Again, you are all being far too defensive over this. Do you really want to look like PC fanboys or something? Because it's starting to seem that way.[/QUOTE] "you are all being far too defensive over this." yeah and you aren't? "I have no called anyone a fanboy" then I misread slightly because it [I]really[/I] sounded like you did [QUOTE=hexpunK;35510673]I'm slightly pissed off that almost every fucking thread about a new console seems to devolve to this shit because people can't seem to just accept that consoles use older hardware without having to point out a PC is better hardware wise. There is no "discussion" in the threads after that, just shit like this.[/QUOTE] it's facepunch, in sensationalist headlines it's a fuckfest of crazy do you seriously expect anything else or are you new to fp? and it wasn't a discussion because ezio's crazy looking posts jumping the gun on things the only reason we're having this is because of what ezio said, he said something that wasn't even IN the thread before he posted, so I made a joke about it. But you can't read above his post
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35510611]A game itself doesn't need to use all the cores. But it allows for a bit more flexibility. In the PS3, 1 SPU on the cell was dedicated to the OS, one to the network functions and the other 5 remaining were dedicated to the game. Allowing the OS and network stuff to run fine in the background, while the game had enough cores to handle graphics, audio, loading and playing at the same time easily. Though very few developers used it properly. MS seem to want the Kinect for this console to use a few cores, the OS to use a few, Live to use a core and whatever is left goes to the game. Good idea to be honest. Not good for the price or power draw (unless it's like a 22-35nm manufacture process CPU). [/quote] Strikes me as obscenely wasteful - multiple cores to run an OS which really shouldn't be doing anything in a console? If my computer can do networking, VOIP, and the OS on one thread, why would the Xbox need 4 for that? I'll believe that the new Xbox has 8 cores and 8 virtual threads, or I'll believe it's x86, but both seems stupid.
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