Canadian Gov't drops all pretense and actually makes immigrants second-class citizens - Polidicks

Was eligible for UK citizenship earlier in my life, it's weird to think that had I actually got it, now my baseline Canadian citzenship could have just been stripped had I committed a crime or something

[QUOTE=The Party Spy;47884679]Canada has been slowly descending into a giant crock of shit since 2010. I'm almost ready to emigrate[/QUOTE] You're insane. It ain't a fuckin utopia here but it sure as shit is better than a lot of other countries.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;47885255]Was eligible for UK citizenship earlier in my life, it's weird to think that had I actually got it, now my baseline Canadian citzenship could have just been stripped had I committed a crime or something[/QUOTE] to be fair, i'm not for this bill at all, but the citizen revocation is not if you commit any ordinary crime. its basically reserved for people deemed terrorists.

[QUOTE=flamehead5;47885243]Higher taxes and money going to things that we don't get told about, a big example would be the contempt of parliament incident in 2011 concerning secret jet fighter programs and large-scale prisons. He's created a giant deficit and given all of his support to Alberta because its (was) his voter base, doesn't talk at all about what he's doing, and generally doesn't do anything at all, introduces shitty rights-infringing bills, and keeps outdated and much disagreed on drug laws. We just need a new PM that knows/cares about what he's doing.[/QUOTE] That's a reality of life in pretty much all countries, if you keep thinking about emigrating over things like that, you will spend your life emigrating only to realize that you're in that kind of shit wherever you end up.

Every single country that conservatives have power in, they are corrupted and pure evil. Why do people think voting for them is a good idea ever?

I hope I get mine revoked so they can deport me to the US. Getting a green card is a pain in the ass.

[QUOTE=The Party Spy;47884679]Canada has been slowly descending into a giant crock of shit since 2010. I'm almost ready to emigrate[/QUOTE] Can you even pass an immigration point system? [editline]5th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tmaxx;47885308]Every single country that conservatives have power in, they are corrupted and pure evil. Why do people think voting for them is a good idea ever?[/QUOTE] People have principles beyond just voting for politicians that push for programs. People in suburban and Rural areas don't benefit from a lot of measures put in place by Left wing policies that end up raising the tax burden all around. Excessive gun control measures as policy by the other parties and who have just recently been somewhat reversed. The right has lowered taxes and supported programs that ease the burden for families with things such as Income splitting and TFSA's. There's reasons to vote for each party and there's reasons to also not vote for each party. Politics isn't just "Eww icky evil conservatives" or "Eww icky evil liberals"

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;47884994]We're cool. It's the Conservative Government & Harper that are fuckwads.[/QUOTE] The democratically elected Harper government and fuckwads?

What the hell are they going to do about the people in Winnipeg?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47885607]The democratically elected Harper government and fuckwads?[/QUOTE] They only were elected with 36% of the popular vote thanks to FPTP. They have assuredly less support now.

[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;47885810]They only were elected with 36% of the popular vote thanks to FPTP. They have assuredly less support now.[/QUOTE] 36 % of the popular vote in a 3-5 party system is a good amount. Even if there was PR, they'd still end up on top as the 2nd largest party, the NDP doesn't believe in the Senate. The Liberal party was almost dead and they've received a resurgence simply due to holding onto Senate seats. The Senate is hard power and the NDP gives it up. It's the biggest disadvantage of their party.

What does this do for people who want to get a dual citizenship?

[QUOTE=Megadave;47883877]This is like the patriot act almost: In that it harms the citizens way more than it will ever harm ISIS. I mean, I assume ISIS is the bullshit reason they gave to pass this.[/QUOTE] Read Bill C-52. It sucks, being from germany now I'm a second class citizen myself. :(

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47885607]The democratically elected Harper government and fuckwads?[/QUOTE] "democratically elected" doesn't give them a free pass to fuck up the country.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47886118]"democratically elected" doesn't give them a free pass to fuck up the country.[/QUOTE] Except it's Harper, so he'll steamroll you into the ground if he can.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47886118]"democratically elected" doesn't give them a free pass to fuck up the country.[/QUOTE] Yeah but everyone in parliament has a isolated and very conservative point of view, it's not like they give you a survey and ask you "Hey can I deport you for smoking in a non-smoker area?".

Good, if someone commits such a crime, as say, Terrorism, i.e. travelling to Support ISIS, they should lose all rights to a citizenship. However, I doubt this will be applied to pety things such as shoplifting and/or other crimes, thusly, Facepunch is overreacting as usual. Wish Sweden had the balls to do this.

[QUOTE=The fox;47886224]Good, if someone commits such a crime, as say, Terrorism, i.e. travelling to Support ISIS, they should lose all rights to a citizenship. However, I doubt this will be applied to pety things such as shoplifting and/or other crimes, thusly, Facepunch is overreacting as usual. Wish Sweden had the balls to do this.[/QUOTE] Why not apply this to all citizens than? Losing citizenship is basically stripping a person of all of their rights you know. Like we have prisons and such for a reason...

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47886237]Why not apply this to all citizens than? Losing citizenship is basically stripping a person of all of their rights you know. Like we have prisons and such for a reason...[/QUOTE] Why should you? The US has a similiar system, as does most of the world. If you're a immigrant, and you break the law, you get sent back to your own country, because, you know, thats breaching the terms of your visa, be it permanent or temporare. [quote]Currently, citizenship can be taken away mainly on the basis of crimes that are considered threats to Canada’s national security, like terrorism or espionage, or demonstrations of disloyalty to Canada, like treason[/quote] You're basically arguing ISIS members should be able to retain their citizenship, even after beheading people and fighting against Canadian armed forces. Source also seems biased, why don't we have some more posted?

[QUOTE=The fox;47886247]Why should you? The US has a similiar system, as does most of the world. If you're a immigrant, and you break the law, you get sent back to your own country, because, you know, thats breaching the terms of your visa, be it permanent or temporare. You're basically arguing ISIS members should be able to retain their citizenship, even after beheading people and fighting against Canadian armed forces.[/QUOTE] Notice how OP said that even Canadians can be stripped?

[QUOTE=SirWolfie;47886267]Notice how OP said that even Canadians can be stripped? Where are you gonna go when you don't belong anywhere and no one wants you.[/QUOTE] Please quote where this is said, all I can find is [quote]On the other hand, [b]Canadians with another nationality (and those who are eligible to obtain another nationality)[/b] now have second-class status, even if they were born in Canada: under Bill C-24, their citizenship can be stripped.[/quote] Thusly, they will simply be sent back to their own country/be applicable to apply for another citizenship, most likely due to being born there and/or having some connection to that country. I'd still like to see some unbiased sources, too.

[QUOTE=SirWolfie;47886267]Notice how OP said that even Canadians can be stripped?[/QUOTE] You can't be stripped if Canada is your only nationality. Canadians can only be stripped if they have dial citizenship.

You seem to be missing the point, which is that the Harper Government has a notorious vendetta against environmental advocacy groups, people who criticize Israel, and so on. They have more or less declared enemies, and the worry is that their definition of what constitutes terrorism/national security risks is incredibly vague. We're talking about people who've immigrated to Canada and become Canadian citizens. [quote=butthurt contrarian]The US has a similiar system, as does most of the world. If you're a immigrant, and you break the law, you get sent back to your own country, because, you know, thats breaching the terms of your visa, be it permanent or temporare. [/quote] So if someone fled a country and they become a citizen of Canada, and the Government decides that they're saying something that could tangentially be considered against the national interest, they could then be sent BACK to that country from which they have renounced citizenship, because they would still be eligible to be a citizen of that country. Hell, you could just have two parents from somewhere and be born in Canada yourself, and they could send you somewhere that is essentially foreign to you. It's based on the same vague language that bill C-51 is based on, which is similarly draconian and needless. [quote]Thusly, they will simply be sent back to their own country/be applicable to apply for another citizenship, most likely due to being born there and/or having some connection to that country. [/quote] So you think there's nothing wrong with getting tossed out of your homeland and into the hellhole your parents might've fled from? And what's with the bitching about sources? I posted an article from the BC Civil Liberties Association. It's: [quote] a non-government organization in British Columbia, Canada dedicated to the preservation, maintenance and extension of civil liberties and human rights in Canada. Founded in 1962, the BCCLA is the oldest civil liberties organization in Canada. It is based in Vancouver and is jointly funded by the Law Foundation of British Columbia and by private citizens through membership.[/quote] How terrible - It's almost like I'm looking to people who're an authority on the matter! But just for effect, [url]http://www.vancouverobserver.com/opinion/citizenship-bill-c-24-bad-policy-and-potentially-violates-charter[/url] [url]http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/02/07/canadas_new_citizenship_bill_a_trojan_horse_walkom.html[/url] [url]http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/06/16/bill_c24_would_undermine_rights_to_citizenship.html[/url] [url]http://www.mississauga.com/news-story/4772204-liberals-attack-new-citizenship-law-at-mississauga-meeting/[/url] [url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/bill-c-24-is-wrong-there-is-only-one-kind-of-canadian-citizen/article19400982/[/url] it's not just one group throwing a hissy fit, and I found all of those articles in about a minute with a google search.

[QUOTE=Nikota;47885851]36 % of the popular vote in a 3-5 party system is a good amount.[/QUOTE] That [U]sounds[/U] like a good amount but here's another way of looking at it: 64% of the population voted left. 36% voted right. MPs belonging to a party are coaxed into voting for that party's benefit. it just so happened that the MPs elected by the 36% also managed to make up more than 50% of MPs. So now, laws are just dictated (not quite, but basically) by the few people with religious/racist beliefs. Most of us didn't want these guys. It's a tragedy that it happened. We're working on fixing it. We have a federal election coming up. the NDP have expressed much support for setting up preferential voting, with the liberals and greens in partial support. This would much better represent the people, as most of Canada votes left, with Alberta voting right. Currently, the country is run by the right, with Alberta run by the left. It's hilarious. And, every party except for the conservative party, at one point or another, has proposed eliminating "parties" which forces people to know about their MP before voting, or just not vote, otherwise you end up with situations like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ellen_Brosseau"]this[/URL]. I would also like to take a minute on this political post and mention just how corrupt the conservatives are in protecting their own interests. [URL="http://globalnews.ca/video/1578828/unreal-exchange-in-house-of-commons-over-canadas-involvement-in-iraq"]Here's a video[/URL] of the conservative-appointed speaker of the house during question period, who should be instructing the CPC to answer a question, allowing them to ignore the question. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;47886419] Uniting the left would create this boring centrist party that doesn't actually get too much done.[/QUOTE] I hope you're just stating this, not countering my post, as I never suggested that we do that. Preferential voting all the way.

[QUOTE=The fox;47886247] You're basically arguing ISIS members should be able to retain their citizenship, even after beheading people and fighting against Canadian armed forces.[/QUOTE] Before this bill you would have your citizen stripped for stuff like treason and terrorism? What are you even arguing about? Also, why the fuck would you want Canada deporting terrorists? Exporting terrorism is evil and we have a justice system for reason. What if new information makes us conclude that he isn't actually a terrorist and we can't do anything about it since he's in the Syrian system? [editline]5th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=willtheoct;47886409]That [U]sounds[/U] like a good amount but here's another way of looking at it: 64% of the population voted left. 36% voted right. MPs belonging to a party are coaxed into voting for that party's benefit. it just so happened that the MPs elected by the 36% also managed to make up more than 50% of MPs. So now, laws are just dictated (not quite, but basically) by the few people with religious/racist beliefs. Most of us didn't want these guys. It's a tragedy that it happened. We're working on fixing it. We have a federal election coming up. the NDP have expressed much support for setting up preferential voting, with the liberals and greens in partial support. This would much better represent the people, as most of Canada votes left, with Alberta voting right. Currently, the country is run by the right, with Alberta run by the left. It's hilarious. And, every party except for the conservative party, at one point or another, has proposed eliminating "parties" which forces people to know about their MP before voting, or just not vote, otherwise you end up with situations like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ellen_Brosseau"]this[/URL].[/QUOTE] Uniting the left would create this boring centrist party that doesn't actually get too much done.

[QUOTE=SirWolfie;47886091]Read Bill C-52. It sucks, being from germany now I'm a second class citizen myself. :([/QUOTE] We don't want you in our land, Nazi. Go home, Terrorist. Back to the USSR, Commie. Back where you belong, Maoist Scum. Away with you, Filthy American Dog. I swear, all these fucking immigrants don't know their place anymore. They don't eat poutine, they don't know their betters. Always travelling here because it's a land of "Nice People". Hah! /s -- For serious though, I will stand by and say this is fucking disgusting and Harper needs to be tried for treason. How the fuck were these people elected in Canada for godsakes. This makes me sick.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47886419]Uniting the left would create this boring centrist party that doesn't actually get too much done.[/QUOTE] Even in the hypothetical situation where there was a big tent party or a coalition for the Far left and the Center Left, it wouldn't last. These parties aren't alike enough and they'd be more willing to break up than they would concede. There's more to them than just "Fuck harper". There's a lot of differing positions and some of them like Mulcairs desire for isolationism are major platforms that would cause rifts

That's because they don't wanna be overrun by foreigners and have their culture extinct

For years, I've been saying that by electing Harper we elected Bush III. It's disturbing and upsetting just how true that's been ever since. The only good things I can say about Harper are that he had the good sense not to challenge gay marriage or the abortion issue despite the agitation from backbench radicals, he hasn't overthrown democracy in Canada (yet), and he has probably not murdered children.

I'm born and raised in Canada, lots of my family's been here since the early colonial era, but my grandfather's British and so is my mother, thus I'm eligible for a British citizenship. Despite having over 300 years of Canadian blood in me, I'm a second-class citizen? Now they can revoke my citizenship despite living in Canada all my life? That's some real bullshit.