Russia and the IOC Agree: Don’t Be Openly Gay at the Olympics
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I can't really blame the IOC for this, their hands are bound. It was decided in 2007 that the games would take place in Sochi, and while Russias gay politics even back then weren't good, I don't think anyone could have seen what would come in 2013.
Also, just saying move it to another place is delusional. Even disregarding the contract they have with Russia, organising the games is a huge task, it just can't be done in a few months.
I wouldn't blame any athlete if they were boycotting the games though.
I'd just like to see the IOC even try to sort this shit out, but they appear to be doing nothing
I would have gone "one olympics I won't support nor give shit about" but that would imply I ever gave shit about olympics so whatever.
In my book, an uninteresting event now went up a notch to an actively disliked event, not a huge loss.
[QUOTE=smurfy;41848511]But the Olympic Charter also says
And although fundamental provision 6 doesn't [I]specifically[/I] ban discrimination on grounds of sexuality, the IOC could at least [I]try[/I] to argue it's included under 'or otherwise'
But they won't[/QUOTE]
There has been a TON of discrimination through the olympics. Just look at the nazi olympics in the 40s, the olympics in the 50 and 60s, the olympics during the cold war, etc.
Money talks, people walk
This is a good little article written by Robbie Rogers, an openly gay soccer player, about why he is against the boycotting of the games. I agree with him entirely.
[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/08/13/olympics-russia-sochi-soccer-robbie-rogers-column/2643723/]Gay or straight, athletes shouldn't have their moment destroyed.[/url]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41848499]Countries have no choice over their athlete's participation at all. Athletes are not government property and the only people they have to respond to when making a decision are their entourage and possibly their sponsors.[/QUOTE]
I know.
[QUOTE=rosthouse;41848526]I can't really blame the IOC for this, their hands are bound. It was decided in 2007 that the games would take place in Sochi, and while Russias gay politics even back then weren't good, I don't think anyone could have seen what would come in 2013.
Also, just saying move it to another place is delusional. Even disregarding the contract they have with Russia, organising the games is a huge task, it just can't be done in a few months.
I wouldn't blame any athlete if they were boycotting the games though.[/QUOTE]
It's too late by now to cancel anything, and IOC's decision is really just pragmatic, considering they had no possible way of doing anything else.
[url=http://www.olympic.org/sponsors]Here's a handy list of companies to boycott.[/url]
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In other news, the medal above has meteorite pieces in it![/QUOTE]
neat, the medal must be worth millions or hundreds of thousands
[QUOTE=The golden;41848728]Would have expected nothing less than heartless corruption from IOC.[/QUOTE]
What exactly would you expect them to do now ?
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41848805]What exactly would you expect them to do now ?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, even completely cancelling it would be better than having it in russia. This is an outrage beyond belief.
Imagine black people would be arrested for being openly black (like not covering their black skin with makeup or shit like that). Would you still host the olympics in a country with laws like this?
[QUOTE=DrDevil;41848858]In my opinion, even completely cancelling it would be better than having it in russia. This is an outrage beyond belief.
Imagine black people would be arrested for being openly black (like not covering their black skin with makeup or shit like that). Would you still host the olympics in a country with laws like this?[/QUOTE]
It's not possible to cancel it now. It just isn't.
Keep in mind that athletics don't exactly allow for long lasting careers. Your prime age for sports is a short time window and you will only have the opportunity to be in a single olympics in your entire life. Cancelling the olympics outright would betray an entire generation of athletes who have worked their asses off to get to that point. If IOC cancelled the whole thing, they would get way more flak for it than recognition.
If that shit had happened, say, a few weeks or even a month or two after Russia was picked to host the olympics then yes it would have been a good idea to cancel everything and pick another host. But now it's far too late and IOC can't do much more than comply and deal with it, trying to make best of the situation.
It's now far too late to cancel it. IOC would get wrecked by the entire athletic community and it's not worth cancelling a major event just for that. What will happen, however, is that Russia will be permanently removed from the list of possible candidates for future olympics, as long as they keep this sort of shit going. I am fairly certain the government knew they'd get fucked if they passed the law any sooner and that's why they waited so much.
[QUOTE=The golden;41848916]Relocate and if not possible then cancel it?[/QUOTE]
That is insanely naive. How exactly do you want them to relocate an entire event that has been in preparation for the past four years ? It's not possible to pull off by any mean. Cancelling it would be worse than anything.
The russian government has been the worst of scumbags by doing this shit but IOC cannot at this point in time possibly do anything drastic against it. Once the olympics are done russia will get wrecked for it and will never get to host olympics again until they change their policy, that's for sure, but until then you'll have to suck it up and deal with it, because there is literally nothing else you or anyone else can do.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;41848578]This is a good little article written by Robbie Rogers, an openly gay soccer player, about why he is against the boycotting of the games. I agree with him entirely.
[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/08/13/olympics-russia-sochi-soccer-robbie-rogers-column/2643723/"]Gay or straight, athletes shouldn't have their moment destroyed.[/URL]
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Must suck to train for one event for twenty years of your life and have it cancelled.
Does it suck anywhere comparably as much as getting murdered in your teens for being gay?
Does it suck anywhere near as getting jailed and having your kids taken away from you for being gay?
Russia needs to fucking wake up, and getting stripped of Olympics/being heavily boycotted would shake with them. Athletes can go fuck themselves with "their big day" when they are people [I]dying[/I] out there.
If the olympics hasn't been cancelled for the jews in the 40s or the afro-americans in anywhere between the 40s to the 70s, then it won't be cancelled for homosexuals either.
You guys are really naive if you think it's possible to just cancel an event like this out of good faith, hoping everyone will understand and that russia will take this as a punishment and not, you know, one more reason to bash on the gays even more.
[QUOTE=The golden;41849145]Or you know
how about canceling the Sochi Olypmics because Russia's new laws put everyone present at risk of being thrown in prison without warning for violating rules which are barely defined and not clarified. Russia has made it very clear - you act "homosexual" you get arrested. What they consider "homosexual" is anyones guess and probably quite open to interpretation.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any idea of the number of controversial shit that happened throughout the olympics ? [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Games_scandals_and_controversies]A whole lot happened[/url]. People were banned or badly seen at the olympics all the time, but it wasn't ever cancelled for it. Even when the nazis decided to "promote aryan superiority" during their own games, people wanted to boycott including the US, but they didn't and a black guy even won four medals.
Cancelling the whole thing because of the host country being shitty isn't a good enough excuse. If it was, then China would not have hosted the olympics at all a few years back.
I really have the feeling people on FP complain about this solely because it's LGBT related. If it was any other minority that was concerned, they wouldn't give nearly as much shits. I hear people complaining about homosexuals getting potentially arrested but I don't hear about [url=http://www.vocativ.com/07-2013/russian-cops-sodomize-olympic-construction-worker-in-dispute-over-600-in-back-pay/]that one guy who got buttfucked by a crowbar[/url] by police officers over a basic dispute.
fuck bring them to [b]Vancouver[/b] we might as well put all of the buildings that costed a shit ton to use know as for rooms give hotels
a lack of equality at the olympics, that should be an oxymoron
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41849110]If the olympics hasn't been cancelled for the jews in the 40s or the afro-americans in anywhere between the 40s to the 70s, then it won't be cancelled for homosexuals either.
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Neither jews or blacks were prevented from participating or arrested in Olympics even in 1936 nor any year after. While some had social/human rights issues from home countries, those that still got to compete could do it without hiding.
So yah, a boycott may not work ever happen, but it's abit messed up in 2014 gay people will be arrested when even Hitler treated blacks and jews better in 1936.
The IOC should atleast get some form of backlash for supporting such hypocritical draconian law.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;41849303]fuck bring them to [b]Vancouver[/b] we might as well put all of the buildings that costed a shit ton to use know as for rooms give hotels[/QUOTE]
Why? The only thing it means is more debt for BC. I'd rather they be cancelled than hosted here.
This really sucks. I hope the movement to boycott this gains some more ground.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41849465]Why? The only thing it means is more debt for BC. I'd rather they be cancelled than hosted here.[/QUOTE] I rather it Cancelled to myself but I don't want humans rights abuse being an Okay thing to do. plus I am saying just book out some Hotel in Vancouver and just use the buildings from the 2010.
[QUOTE=Tudd;41849418]The IOC should atleast get some form of backlash for supporting such hypocritical draconian law.[/QUOTE]
Not until the winter olympics are done. If anything happens before the government will have no issue with blaming the homosexuals for ruining the olympics and have the police beat them up harder.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41849094]Must suck to train for one event for twenty years of your life and have it cancelled.[/quote]
Yes it would. Some athlete's goal in life is to make it to the Olympics.
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Russia needs to fucking wake up, and getting stripped of Olympics/being heavily boycotted would shake with them. Athletes can go fuck themselves with "their big day" when they are people [I]dying[/I] out there.[/QUOTE]
Here is a better question.
Why does it have to be the Olympics which "shake with them"?
[QUOTE=smurfy;41848511]But the Olympic Charter also says
And although fundamental provision 6 doesn't [I]specifically[/I] ban discrimination on grounds of sexuality, the IOC could at least [I]try[/I] to argue it's included under 'or otherwise'
But they won't[/QUOTE]
they are too busy dick waving to get elected to do anything else like dumbasses right now
if they wanted to do something, they would have done it when the law passed or came into effect
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;41849511]I rather it Cancelled to myself but I don't want humans rights abuse being an Okay thing to do. plus I am saying just book out some Hotel in Vancouver and just use the buildings from the 2010.[/QUOTE]
There would not be enough capacity, what are you going to do, evict the people who are living in ex-olympic affordable housing? Build more, rack up more debt?
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Why does it have to be the Olympics which "shake with them"?[/QUOTE]
The purpose is two-fold; not only does Russia hemorrhage millions, if not billions, of dollars as a direct result, and it shows that organizations that stand by and let human rights violations happen will simply not be tolerated. It sends a message to both Russia and the greedy; if you fuck with our rights, you will bleed money. It's in your best interests to submit to our will.
[QUOTE=DeEz;41848360]ftfy[/QUOTE]
why not fuck both
victormeriqui must support russia's anti-gay laws, judging by his ratings
[QUOTE=RobbL;41850424]victormeriqui must support russia's anti-gay laws, judging by his ratings[/QUOTE]
Quick! Spam his profile!
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