• Religious people trust atheists as much as they trust rapists, study finds.
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[QUOTE=Funcoot;33573947]And by Mosaic law, that was the way to deal with them. We no longer live under Mosaic law, so it isn't okay. If you want better answers than the ones I can provide, you are going to have to find an Old Testament scholar.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that Yahweh (God) was in the wrong, or that he can change over time even though he's a perfect being?
[QUOTE=Jookia;33573965]So you're saying that Yahweh (God) was in the wrong, or that he can change over time even though he's a perfect being?[/QUOTE] He can change. He had a son. This is as far as my expertise stretch. I really can't answer anymore. I have a lot of learning to do on my own time.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33573999]He can change. He had a son. This is as far as my expertise stretch. I really can't answer anymore. I have a lot of learning to do on my own time.[/QUOTE] He can't change. He is by definition perfect and omniscient. Changing implies he wasn't this before. This is the problem with Christianity. It falls apart when you start asking questions or researching it. Matthew 10:34, Yeshua (Jesus) says: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Humanity is doomed if we really can't get along since of petty differences, Why does it matter what a person believes in, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, it should not fucking matter, but oh wait, this is humanity I am talking about. We are fucking doomed.
[QUOTE=Jookia;33574034]He can't change. He is by definition perfect and omniscient. Changing implies he wasn't this before. This is the problem with Christianity. It falls apart when you start asking questions or researching it. Matthew 10:34, Yeshua (Jesus) says: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."[/QUOTE] To be put kindly, that is out of context. General Christian consensus is that sword is a metaphor for ideological conflict. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/But_to_bring_a_sword[/url] And no, he does not literally mean turning family against one another, it's about getting their priorities straight (in the eyes of Christians anyhow).
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33574199]To be put kindly, that is out of context. General Christian consensus is that sword is a metaphor for ideological conflict. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/But_to_bring_a_sword[/url] And no, he does not literally mean turning family against one another, it's about getting their priorities straight (in the eyes of Christians anyhow).[/QUOTE] Now this is the problem: If he's talking about getting priorities straight, why the "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth"? At this point I honestly don't care, as the bible isn't actually read anymore. It's just distorted by 'christians'.
[QUOTE=Jookia;33574232]Now this is the problem: If he's talking about getting priorities straight, why the "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth"? At this point I honestly don't care, as the bible isn't actually read anymore. It's just distorted by 'christians'.[/QUOTE] Because he knew there was going to be upheaval and violence brought upon his disciples. There are going to be people who respond violently to what Jesus was doing, even though he was a peaceful man. [editline]4th December 2011[/editline] There is usually a violent response to social reform.
To be fair, I wouldn't not trust a rapist. I mean, just because the raped someone doesn't mean they can't be trusted.
Holy shit 8 pages what the hell are you guys doing. I'm not reading that shit so I'll point out [QUOTE]The students read a description of an untrustworthy man who pretended to leave insurance information after backing his car into a parked vehicle and were asked to say whether it was more likely the man was either a Christian, Muslim, rapist or an atheist.[/QUOTE] The obvious option is atheist, rapists are a much smaller minority.
[QUOTE=Skela;33561808]Guys stop fighting. I guess everyone has a right to their own opinion. Even if it isnt what you agree with, you dont have to be dicks about it.[/QUOTE] But what if its my opinion that I should be dicks to people with different opinions?
[QUOTE=lunarwalrus;33574473]Holy shit 8 pages what the hell are you guys doing. I'm not reading that shit so I'll point out The obvious option is atheist, rapists are a much smaller minority.[/QUOTE] Oh wow that survey is so retarded, I'm out of this thread, thanks for pointing that out.
[QUOTE=Mon;33563046]i'm inclined to believe that you either live in some kind of hellhole or you're making shit up shouting a megaphone in the streets is a good way to get fined/arrested, most urban centers have laws against that[/QUOTE] In canada, this is legal in several cities. It happens in vancouver quite often. i see it walking to school quite often around the holidays and around any religious day. It's not irregular even here.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33568904]That's pretty poor logic. Comparing every religious person to Osama Bin Laden is rather stupid. I understand the article in the OP is just as stupid. Never said it wasn't.[/QUOTE] That's not what I said, let's try actually reading the context next time. He was attempting to say that the guy who apparently "held up" the discovery channel studio (somehow he was linked to atheism by a rogue myspace account) was on the same level of terrorism as fanatics such as Bin Laden and his organization.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;33574806]That's not what I said, let's try actually reading the context next time. He was attempting to say that the guy who apparently "held up" the discovery channel studio (somehow he was linked to atheism by a rogue myspace account) was on the same level of terrorism as fanatics such as Bin Laden and his organization.[/QUOTE] Ah. I understand now. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
[QUOTE=Jookia;33573965]So you're saying that Yahweh (God) was in the wrong, or that he can change over time even though he's a perfect being?[/QUOTE] From what I can tell, God's word was being put through a human mouthpiece. You know what happens when you throw humans into the equasion. If you want a professional opinion, talk to a Minister or a Priest. They went to college to study that shit. (Not an actual college of course, they're called Seminaries.)
[QUOTE=VaSTinY;33561602]Funny how they would vote for black people the most, considering the bible is strictly hating on black skinned people last I checked[/QUOTE] [u][i][b][CITATION NEEDED][/b][/i][/u]
[QUOTE=Gundevil;33571243]Double standard all the way facepunch, way to go. Religious people say they don't want an atheist in power, and you say you don't want a religious person in power. Theirs is bigotry, yours is fair and just. [/QUOTE] hey don't generalize all of facepunch please and thank you.
So religious people are just as big dicks to atheists as atheists are to religious people. I am shocked and surprised.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33572897]If people read the Bible and believed in what was said in it, they would have not participated in the crusades. If they did, they weren't Christian, didn't matter what they said or what God they did it for. It'd be like a Buddhist killing in the name of Buddha. Whoever does that is a dumbass and clearly is not Buddhist.[/QUOTE] Who started the Crusades? The Pope [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II]Who has since been beatified actually[/url]
I never understood how certain texts could be considered the word of God. most organized religion is utterly incomprehensible to me
[QUOTE=Contag;33578275]I never understood how certain texts could be considered the word of God. most organized religion is utterly incomprehensible to me[/QUOTE] I could consider your posts to be the word of god, could I not? [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] Praise be the australian!
To be honest I don't see the logic behind how people truly believe in this stuff anymore. Most christians would agree that the mayans and other tribes of central america were utterly wrong in their beliefs of many gods and sacrifices. And yet, the mayans believed it as much as many currently believe in their religion, and it will only be a matter of time until a more popular religion takes over and people believe that the christians were as crazy as the mayans. In fact many of them disagree with the other groups of their similar religion. It's only a matter of time until the popular belief changes and those who believed it deemed gullible, or crazy.
I'm not saying that religious people going up and telling you that you will burn in hell isn't bad, it is. Everyone is free to believe as they want, I'm saying instead of going around saying God Is Not Real to religious people as your sole argument, try and be the better person and handle it. Do you walk up to a gay guy and call him a fag? Or how about a black man and call him a nigger? No, it's offensive, and so is going up to a person and telling them that their faith, something many people base their LIVES upon, is not real and is a fairy tale is cruel. You people on here preach acceptance, tolerance and equality, then why do I not see a shred of it towards religious people? Yes, I know that from what the media portrays you see many negative things towards religion and that from what is seen, religion is not the most tolerant thing in the world, but are all Arabs terrorists? All Asians mathematicians? No, the same goes for religious people. Not all of us are assholes. The Catholic churches in my community allow gay marriage, there are many women who work at the churches as pastors and such, but it seems people are too close minded to get past the fact that some church in Virginia won't allow same sex marriage, or that women can't be Catholic priests. Everyone has a right to believe what they want and a freedom to worship, so why the hell is there a reason to ridicule people based on their beliefs? So what if he's a Jew or she's an atheist or they are Christian? That's them and your you. Do you all really want to come across as the school yard bully, forcing people to do and believe as you say? Why not be a smart person as I've said and try to argue around it. Use your evidence, try and change our views without resorting to being a child who isn't getting their way. Have I singled out any one people? No. I'm trying to get a point across that not all religious people are evil or bigoted, and if you go on thinking that then your just as bad as a Westboro baptist moron (Yes, they are the only ones I will actually show bias against).
[QUOTE=wingless;33561457]And this is why I'm Anti-Religion. Because of the bullshit it spreads and the danger it inflicts. Not to mention the countless crimes ignored and constant demoralization and fear spread around the world.[/QUOTE] Talk about sensationalist
Well if they trust atheists as much as rapists, how do christians treat priests?
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33572125]I don't think he did that at all. He was backed by the Catholic church at the time, he pushed Christianity as a unifying force during his regime, and he prosecuted non-believers. In "Mein Kompf," he repeatedly brought up his Christian faith, and portrayed himself as a crusader, in a way.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp#Clergy[/url]
[QUOTE=Gundevil;33583448]I'm not saying that religious people going up and telling you that you will burn in hell isn't bad, it is. Everyone is free to believe as they want, I'm saying instead of going around saying God Is Not Real to religious people as your sole argument, try and be the better person and handle it. Do you walk up to a gay guy and call him a fag? Or how about a black man and call him a nigger? No, it's offensive, and so is going up to a person and telling them that their faith, something many people base their LIVES upon, is not real and is a fairy tale is cruel. You people on here preach acceptance, tolerance and equality, then why do I not see a shred of it towards religious people? Yes, I know that from what the media portrays you see many negative things towards religion and that from what is seen, religion is not the most tolerant thing in the world, but are all Arabs terrorists? All Asians mathematicians? No, the same goes for religious people. Not all of us are assholes. The Catholic churches in my community allow gay marriage, there are many women who work at the churches as pastors and such, but it seems people are too close minded to get past the fact that some church in Virginia won't allow same sex marriage, or that women can't be Catholic priests. Everyone has a right to believe what they want and a freedom to worship, so why the hell is there a reason to ridicule people based on their beliefs? So what if he's a Jew or she's an atheist or they are Christian? That's them and your you. Do you all really want to come across as the school yard bully, forcing people to do and believe as you say? Why not be a smart person as I've said and try to argue around it. Use your evidence, try and change our views without resorting to being a child who isn't getting their way. Have I singled out any one people? No. I'm trying to get a point across that not all religious people are evil or bigoted, and if you go on thinking that then your just as bad as a Westboro baptist moron (Yes, they are the only ones I will actually show bias against).[/QUOTE] Well first off, your examples of the gay guy and the black man don't work because that would just be direct attacks at the person. Atheists generally aren't attacking religious [b]people[/b] but rather their beliefs, by pointing out how the beliefs are irrational. A black man can't change his skin color, and a gay guy can't become straight. To attack a set of worldviews that someone believes in, that can be demonstrated to be false/unreasonable, is absolutely not the same thing, so I think you're making a false analogy. If someone says "I believe in (X) because of (fallacious reasoning here)", then it's not a matter of disrespect to point out the error in their reasoning. I addressed this notion of having to "respect" religious beliefs in another thread also, I'll repost it because it's relevant to your post [quote]Well first of all, no religion deserves anyone's respect. They are a bunch of ideas and worldviews that can be criticized just like anything else. There is absolutely no reason to have to "respect someone's religious beliefs". If their beliefs are founded on completely fallacious reasoning, then why should those beliefs be taken seriously or respected? How often are you asked to respect someone's views about physics for example, or geometry? Why should religion get a totally undeserved pass from criticism, especially when certain claims that trespass on scientific ground are demonstrated to be false (young earth creationism for example)? Yeah, I get it, some people are sensitive about what they believe in, but maybe some people are sensitive about their historical views (holocaust deniers for example), that doesn't mean those views should be taken seriously or respected if they're based on fallacious reasoning, and more than likely they are just plain wrong. It's unreasonable to present claims that just don't match up with reality, are founded on completely baseless presuppositions, with no evidence, and then demand that no one criticize your ideas because "its what I believe in and we can't go there".[/quote]
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33573358]There's quite a few. I do not have them all memorized. Not many people can memorize all of them, this is why daily repentance at least once a day is generally a good idea. Read the New Testament if you'd like, they're all in there. Please be aware that Christians no longer live under Mosaic law, [B]so the old testament rules don't apply anymore[/B].[/QUOTE] Really? Well acording to your pal Jesus "The Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35) "Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished" (Matthew 5:18) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. " (Mathew 5:17) Seems the Old Testament is in full effect.
(A snippet from another thread I thought might be relevant here) I'm fed up of the passive-agressiveness towards religion these days, and just because something like a set of ideas or values is connected to a religion it's thoughtlessly rejected. I mean, i'm an atheist myself, but I reckon people should have more respect for people's faith and leave them be as long as it's not harming anyone else. Not every religious community is like the Westboro Baptist Church or Al Qaeda
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;33586341]Really? Well acording to your pal Jesus "The Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35) "Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished" (Matthew 5:18) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. " (Mathew 5:17) Seems the Old Testament is in full effect.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure most Christians go by the 10 commandments also (which happens to be located..... in the Old Testament)
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