Religious people trust atheists as much as they trust rapists, study finds.
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So, it's even a worse thing to be an atheist rapist.
[QUOTE=toaster468;33566578]The same could be said about theists hating atheists, I mean this survey shows that many theists hop on the band wagon and don't trust atheists.
[editline]4th December 2011[/editline]
Yeah sure, minus selling your daughter into slavery, hating gays, killing everyone on earth, yeah that's all religion is.
EDIT:
And if you want a big list:
[url]http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Sorry to piss in your cornflakes kiddo, but everything you've posted is from the Old Testament of the Bible which is generally, outside of Genesis, not taken to be "canon". The New Testament preaches kindness, altruism and Empathy, all of which many Christians take to heart when they support their communities. People who adore the Old Testament are idiots, akin to the Westboro Baptist Church.
You'd note that most if not all Christian Fundamentalists cite the Old Testament, like the WBBC, the KKK and the more radical Evangelicals.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;33566639]Sorry to piss in your cornflakes kiddo, but everything you've posted is from the Old Testament of the Bible which is generally, outside of Genesis, not taken to be "canon". The New Testament preaches kindness, altruism and Empathy, all of which many Christians take to heart when they support their communities. People who adore the Old Testament are idiots, akin to the Westboro Baptist Church.
You'd note that most if not all Christian Fundamentalists cite the Old Testament, like the WBBC, the KKK and the more radical Evangelicals.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=cyclocius;33566508][b]This is why I support religion.[/b]
Because of the bigoted attitude and arrogance Atheism instils in people.
Not to mention just how quick many Atheists on this forum are all to eager to jump aboard the Religion-Hating Bandwagon when all religion provides is a moral code that amounts to "Don't be a dick".[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry I thought you said you supported religion, not chose which one you support.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;33566601]Sorry, when did supporting Religion Collectively mean I support the actions of Fringe-Extremists? What's next? I support the KKK because they cite the Old Testament as a justification? Grow up.[/QUOTE]
You're right, the KKK hid behind it as a way to try to justify it and likely used it as a scapegoat or whatever when they had to but it was no where near as religion focused/centered as their Islamic counterparts.
Bin Laden on the other hand justified what his organization did, with religion -- but he also believed he was REALLY acting in the name of his religion and conducting his business in a highly religious environment 100% of the time. It still is operated that way (spreading religious propaganda throughout Arabic nations).
They may have utilized a few nooses and burning crosses, but I don't think the KKK was familiar with the term "Jihad"
[QUOTE=toaster468;33566671]I'm sorry I thought you said you supported religion, not chose which one you support.[/QUOTE]
Christianity is the Religion I'm most familiar with. I didn't read your big hate-list because I've got University work to do.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;33566676]You're right, the KKK hid behind it as a way to try to justify it and likely used it as a scapegoat or whatever when they had to.
Bin Laden on the other hand justified what his organization did, with religion -- but he also believed he was REALLY acting in the name of his religion and conducting his business in a highly religious environment 100% of the time. It still is operated that way.[/QUOTE]
Indeed it is, this is undeniably one of the prime reason for much of the west's Xenophobic hatred of Islam. Much of their practises are rooted in culture, and use only the loosest sembelance of Religion to justify it. It's been proved several times over that, nowhere in the Quran, do passages exist that justify many of the practises that the West take issue with, whether it be the forcing of Females to wear Hijabs to the killing of a woman who's been raped. All are the product of a misguided Culture with only the most tentative of links to Religion.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;33566725]Christianity is the Religion I'm most familiar with. I didn't read your big hate-list because I've got University work to do.
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So then don't say you support other ones.
[QUOTE=toaster468;33566769]So then don't say you support other ones.[/QUOTE]
Because I'm largely unfamiliar with their practises. Can you not read?
[QUOTE=cyclocius;33566639]Sorry to piss in your cornflakes kiddo, but everything you've posted is from the Old Testament of the Bible which is generally, outside of Genesis, not taken to be "canon". [/quote]
Oh really? First time I've heard that one. What part of the New Testament says that Genesis is the only part of the OT to be taken as "canon"? I guess all those supposed prophecies about Jesus in Isaiah and other parts of the OT must have just been some random nonsense that wasn't meant to be taken as canon.
You don't get to just pick out parts of your faith that you like or that sound nice and call those particular parts true/canon, and say that all the parts about slavery and genocide aren't.
By the way, many of god's genocidal acts took place in Genesis...like killing off the entire world population in the flood for example.
[quote]The New Testament preaches kindness, altruism and Empathy, all of which many Christians take to heart when they support their communities. People who adore the Old Testament are idiots, akin to the Westboro Baptist Church.[/quote]
A student is not greater than the teacher. A slave is not greater than the master. - Matthew 10:24
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. - 1 Corinthians 14:34
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. - Ephesians 6:5
Support of slavery and misogyny doesn't sound very kind or moral to my standards, personally.
The old testament is in fact, part of the Christian faith whether you like it's teachings or not. The fundamentalists are not distorting the faith, they're acting in accordance with a strict interpretation of their religious text.
I'm getting the Impression you're doing exactly the same as you say I am. Picking the bits of Christianity you like, the bad bits, and raising them on a pillar to shame the rest of it?
Many Christians still believe that the world was made in 7 days and the story of how Adam and Eve were thrown from the Garden of Eden after they sinned. I'm referring to that part of Genesis. The Old Testament is a mess of men screwing goats and their daughters and God wrecking Mans shit. I don't subscribe to it.
That's enough for now though, I've beaten my head on a wall of bigots long enough.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;33566850]I'm getting the Impression you're doing exactly the same as you say I am. Picking the bits of Christianity you like, the bad bits, and raising them on a pillar to shame the rest of it?
Many Christians still believe that the world was made in 7 days and the story of how Adam and Eve were thrown from the Garden of Eden after they sinned. I'm referring to that part of Genesis. The Old Testament is a mess of men screwing goats and their daughters and God wrecking Mans shit. I don't subscribe to it.
That's enough for now though, I've beaten my head on a wall of bigots long enough.[/QUOTE]
You said Genesis is the only part meant to be taken as canon. The prophecies about Jesus that are mentioned in the new testament are in Isaiah and other parts of the old testament. Why are you calling me a bigot for pointing out this inconsistency you're making?
Surely you must agree that "Oh shit, people disagree with me, fuck this shit I'll call them all bigots and leave the thread" is not a very good style of reasoning
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;33561562]I'd grab a gun and fight back. I fight for freedom of religion now, and I'd fight for mine then.[/QUOTE]
"Are you an atheist?"
"DIE BIGOT"
This explains why the priest refrains from touching me.
[QUOTE=Noble;33566866]You said Genesis is the only part meant to be taken as canon. The prophecies about Jesus that are mentioned in the new testament are in Isaiah and other parts of the old testament. Why are you calling me a bigot for pointing out this inconsistency you're making?
Surely you must agree that "Oh shit, people disagree with me, fuck this shit I'll call them all bigots and leave the thread" is not a very good style of reasoning[/QUOTE]
It's not no. I said Generally, I don't speak for every Christian, nor would I want to. I said generally, referring to a Christian support group I attended in Secondary School. They all collectively believed in the creation story, and respected that I didn't. They believed Darwins theory of Evolution, but believe that God set the wheels of that in motion. I speak in reference to them, myself and nobody else. Apologies for any misunderstanding.
But I really do have work to do, I should be doing it now and Facepunch's collective picking and choosing of Morals is only setting this back further. Sorry to waste your time.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;33566850]I'm getting the Impression you're doing exactly the same as you say I am. Picking the bits of Christianity you like, the bad bits, and raising them on a pillar to shame the rest of it?
Many Christians still believe that the world was made in 7 days and the story of how Adam and Eve were thrown from the Garden of Eden after they sinned. I'm referring to that part of Genesis. The Old Testament is a mess of men screwing goats and their daughters and God wrecking Mans shit. I don't subscribe to it.
That's enough for now though, I've beaten my head on a wall of bigots long enough.[/QUOTE]
Well, when such large parts aren't "cannon" anymore, it kinda raises questions about the validity of the rest of the book, no?
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;33566554]So you're saying you support this?
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Good thinking.[/QUOTE]
Yes because every religious person on Earth wants to blow up buildings. Much in the same way that [url=http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=11245]every Atheist wants to take buildings hostage and shoot people.[/url]
So I take it the past six pages has been nothing but pulling out extremist stereotypes from both sides, and declaring the other side batshit insane because "HAHAH! You don't see my side doing that!!!!!!!11111 :downs:" or frantically skimming through religious texts pulling out the "bad" verses, and trying to represent an entire religion off of one verse.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33566244]How many atheists have caused terror acts based on their beliefs/disbeliefs?
Did he commit that crime because he was atheist or is that additional info that has no value?
If a man commits robbery and is christian that means nothing, not a religious cause. If a man is muslim and blows himself up because 72 virgins, that is a religious cause.[/QUOTE]
Stalin killed off religious people, as have most communist dictators. The main reason you don't get so many atheist terrorists is because there isn't anything to fight for, much like how a person with no political ideology will likely not commit acts of terrorism in the name of his lack of political ideology.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;33566463]You completely missed the point
Since the beginning of religion - it has sparked wars, provoked fear, slowed down the progress of humanity and social development, and has contributed to sponsoring the greatest acts of terrorism we have ever seen. We both know these acts will continue long into the future, it just fuels all of the wrong things.
But when Atheist people who say they just didn't want to be associated with the root of all of those problems are looked at by the theists, we are the ones who get cast out -- we look like we're untrustworthy because we don't use their bible as our moral compass or whatever.
denial sux[/QUOTE]
Religion didn't start wars, political ideals did. Religion only motivated them to attempt the act. Even if religion didn't exist as a motivator, people would be motivated by a variety of different things such as wealth, land, power, etc.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;33567110]Religion didn't start wars, political ideals did. Religion only motivated them to do attempt the act. Even if religion didn't exist as a motivator, people would be motivated by a variety of different things such as wealth, land, and power.[/QUOTE]
nah man we'd totally have world peace without religion! Imagine no wars (because all wars, even World War II and the Civil War, were motivated by religion), no shootings, no crime, nothing but people holding hands singing Kumbaya!
Well, we don't encourage people to stay ignorant and to stop researching. We don't halt technological progress. We don't have a rulebook with arbitary rules from the Iron Age, most of which arn't followed anyway.
You know what, just read [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/mxgr1/poem_about_atheism_by_a_14_year_old_atheism_doesnt/]this[/url]
Haha I know a lot of people think in retarded ways like this. I am an Atheist but I choose to keep my "religion" ambiguous so as to keep them out of my face.
[QUOTE=Scar;33567143]Well, we don't encourage people to stay ignorant and to stop researching. We don't halt technological progress. We don't have a rulebook with arbitary rules from the Iron Age, most of which arn't followed anyway.
You know what, just read [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/mxgr1/poem_about_atheism_by_a_14_year_old_atheism_doesnt/]this[/url][/QUOTE]
/r/atheism, the cesspool of the Internet. And I thought Facepunch's Atheism circlejerk was bad.
Here's something funny I noticed about reddit and religion (and a reason why I find Atheists on the Internet annoying): compare [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/athiesm]/r/athiesm[/url] with [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/christianity]/r/christianity[/url]
/r/atheism's posts:
(1) Unfunny image making fun of Jesus
(2) Random Facebook post
(3) Story about religion being brought up in school
(4) Trolling religion-themed posts on Facebook.
/r/christiantiy's posts:
(1) Soliciting donations to humanitarian causes
(2) Another thread about donating to humanitarian causes
(3) A photo of individuals with different religious beliefs coming together to protect each other
(4) A discussion about the direction of modern Christian churches.
Remind me again with group is the one full of ignorance and hate?
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;33566554]So you're saying you support this?
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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings]Right.[/url]
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33567257]/r/atheism, the cesspool of the Internet. And I thought Facepunch's Atheism circlejerk was bad.
Here's something funny I noticed about reddit and religion (and a reason why I find Atheists on the Internet annoying): compare [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/athiesm]/r/athiesm[/url] with [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/christianity]/r/christianity[/url]
/r/atheism's posts:
(1) Unfunny image making fun of Jesus
(2) Random Facebook post
(3) Story about religion being brought up in school
(4) Trolling religion-themed posts on Facebook.
/r/christiantiy's posts:
(1) Soliciting donations to humanitarian causes
(2) Another thread about donating to humanitarian causes
(3) A photo of individuals with different religious beliefs coming together to protect each other
(4) A discussion about the direction of modern Christian churches.
Remind me again with group is the one full of ignorance and hate?[/QUOTE]
Look at the front page, nearly EVERY post is about donating to Doctors without Borders.
Also, stop making shit up
There's bad apples both sides of the spectrum. Unless both accept the other, they're at the same spot on it.
At the end of the day, it's all about the Skub; there's violent pro-Skub, there's violent anti-Skub. Violence is violence no matter who is comes from, and what they think about Skub is totally irrelevant.
As soon as you guys so being so bloody self-righteous, everyone else will - assuming you would hold up your end of the bargain when the other does. Which I very much doubt you would.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33567141]nah man we'd totally have world peace without religion! Imagine no wars (because all wars, even World War II and the Civil War, were motivated by religion), no shootings, no crime, nothing but people holding hands singing Kumbaya![/QUOTE]
Strawman alert..
Who is arguing that every single war was caused by and fought over by religion? The fact is that religion most certainly does create unnecessary divisiveness between groups of people. Divisiveness does in fact lead to war. I am certainly going to stand by a statement that without the unnecessary divisiveness that religion creates, there would in fact be less conflict in the world. No one is arguing that every single war was fought over religion.
And by the way, religion did have a hand in both of those wars you mentioned. Views on slavery for example, a key issue of the civil war, were divided by religious beliefs. Also,
[quote]"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."[/quote]
-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
[QUOTE=Noble;33567335]Strawman alert..
Who is arguing that every single war was caused by and fought over by religion? The fact is that religion most certainly does create unnecessary divisiveness between groups of people. Divisiveness does in fact lead to war. I am certainly going to stand by a statement that without the unnecessary divisiveness that religion creates, there would in fact be less conflict in the world. No one is arguing that every single war was fought over religion.
And by the way, religion did have a hand in both of those wars you mentioned. Views on slavery for example, a key issue of the civil war, were divided by religious beliefs. Also,
-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf[/QUOTE]
Hitler killed the jews based on ethnicity not religion, by that logic stalins sole purpose for killing off religious belief was because he was atheist.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33567257]/r/atheism, the cesspool of the Internet. And I thought Facepunch's Atheism circlejerk was bad.
Here's something funny I noticed about reddit and religion (and a reason why I find Atheists on the Internet annoying): compare [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/athiesm]/r/athiesm[/url] with [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/christianity]/r/christianity[/url]
/r/atheism's posts:
(1) Unfunny image making fun of Jesus
(2) Random Facebook post
(3) Story about religion being brought up in school
(4) Trolling religion-themed posts on Facebook.
/r/christiantiy's posts:
(1) Soliciting donations to humanitarian causes
(2) Another thread about donating to humanitarian causes
(3) A photo of individuals with different religious beliefs coming together to protect each other
(4) A discussion about the direction of modern Christian churches.
Remind me again with group is the one full of ignorance and hate?[/QUOTE]
The very first goddamn post on /r/christianity is "A lot of donations to doctors without borders from /r/atheism, now its /r/christianity's turn! $.50 for each upvote, do your worst."
As in, a bunch of atheists donated to the very same cause.
And that's not even from looking at /r/atheism. After [I]actually looking at it[/I], practically [I]every[/I] post is about the donation thing.
Also: apparently making unfunny jokes about Jesus and being a jerk on Facebook is just as hateful as using religion as an excuse to suppress gays, women, and religious minorities. Who knew.
[QUOTE=Scar;33567288]Look at the front page, nearly EVERY post is about donating to Doctors without Borders.
Also, stop making shit up[/QUOTE]
Ohh. I'm not very familiar with reddit, and was looking at the wrong subreddits. I was wrong, evidently /r/atheism (the main atheism subreddit) is also full of donating threads. I am sorry for the confusion.
When there isn't some major donation drive going on though, usually the post I made is what /r/atheism is like.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33567404]Hitler killed the jews based on ethnicity not religion, by that logic stalins sole purpose for killing off religious belief was because he was atheist.[/QUOTE]
Stalin didn't kill people in the name of atheism, he was just a cruel man who happened to be an atheist.
That's a bit different than Hitler directly referencing his religious beliefs and saying that he's doing his evil deeds for "the work of the Lord"
So not trusting a person who's sole belief is that your belief is wrong and incorrect, and goes out of their way to prove it otherwise is "bigotry".
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