[QUOTE=audun;35975799]THE STORTING[/QUOTE]
The bigthing
[QUOTE=Megafan;35975005]Uh, what exactly did the churches own, other than churches? Clinics?[/QUOTE]
Monasteries, which often ran breweries and such. They also owned quite a bit of farmland, I believe.
[URL="http://ekonom.ihned.cz/c1-55090780-cirkev-stat-a-majetek"]Some local article about it, I can't be arsed to translate more than the in my opinion most important part of the contested ownership[/URL]
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[B]1919[/B]
[B]Nová Československá republika[/B] převzala téměř doslova rakouskou církevní legislativu. Majetek zůstal po debatách právníků církvím přiznán, patřil však dále pod státní kontrolu. Zhruba desetina – 37 tisíc hektarů – majetku katolické církve byla vyvlastněna při pozemkové reformě z roku 1919.
[B]1948 [/B]
[B]Katolická církev[/B] přišla o zbývající majetek z původních 260 tisíc hektarů zemědělské půdy a lesů. Částečně na základě revize prvorepublikové pozemkové reformy, kterou levice uzákonila už v roce 1947. Definitivně při nové pozemkové reformě. Po ní farám zbyly jen zahrady.
[B]1989–2012 [/B]
[B]Katolická církev původně[/B] hovořila o částečném odškodnění, později začala požadovat úplnou restituci. V roce 1990 poslanci schválili výčtový zákon, který církvím a řádům vrátil část budov. Obecný restituční zákon pro odpor části slovenských zákonodárců neprošel. Klausovy kabinety restituce nikdy nepředložily, vlády ČSSD uvažovaly o zřízení náboženského fondu.
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My own a bit shoddy translation.
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1919
New Czechoslovakian republic took over almost literally the Austrian church legislative. The ownership stayed after debates of lawyers admitted to the church, however still belonged under the state control. Almost a tenth - 37 thousand hectare - of the ownership the Catholic church had has been expropriated during land reform in the year 1919.
1948
The catholic church lost the rest of it's ownership from it's original 260 thousand hectare of agricultural land and forests. Partially on basis of revision of first-republic reform (1919 stuff), which the left wing enacted in the year 1947 already. Definitely, during the new land reform. After it, parishes had only gardens left.
1989-2012
The Catholic church originally only talked about partial compensation, however later asked for complete restitution. In the year 1990 the parliment agreed on a law, which returned part of the building to the churches and the orders. General resitution law for disagreement of part of the Slovakian lawmakers didn't pass. Klaus's (current president) cabinet never didn't deal with the restitution, the goverments of CSSD (leftist party which had the government the two terms before this one and most probably will have for the next) considered creating a religion fund.
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So yeah, quite a bit of stuff.
They had farmland and forests they kept, but the monasteries also ran things like breweries, and I believe that also lumber mills, distilleries, and perhaps even carpentries and such. They were sorta a bussiness subject like any other.
[QUOTE=audun;35975799]THE STORTING[/QUOTE]
Pronounced it even in english when I read it
[QUOTE=Megafan;35975151]If there's no missionaries involved and the purpose of its existence is entirely secular, why is it even called 'church aid'? Surely the church organizers could just run it without having it tied to the church?[/QUOTE]
It's funded by church funds such as government grants, donations to the church.
As a religious person, I don't have a problem with this.
Back to paganism! Hell yeah.
[QUOTE=audun;35975799]THE STORTING[/QUOTE]
The big stuff :v:
Although I'm not an atheist myself, I think secularisation isn't a bad thing; religion is a private businness of every person.
I like the way Norway thinks.
Ironic thing to do for a country that has a cross in its flag.
if the official religion of a country were apatheism, would it still count as an official religion?
[QUOTE=Sovietzek;35977834]Ironic thing to do for a country that has a cross in its flag.[/QUOTE]
Is that cross representing religion or is it just a decorative element? Because to me it strikes nothing in common with religion. If it was shaped like the classical Christ cross, then maybe, but this cross just seems like a cross of lines.
[QUOTE=Sovietzek;35977834]Ironic thing to do for a country that has a cross in its flag.[/QUOTE]
But then again not really when you take into consideration the fact that the flags roots can be traced back to the 16th century
[QUOTE=mac338;35969915]It's hilarious how the US is "secular" and Norway was Christian, but the US was 1000 x more Christian then Norway's ever been these last two centuries.[/QUOTE]
In terms of population, and religion is rapidly disappearing in America, a bit more than 15% are non-religious now. And some states are more secular than others.
[QUOTE=Sovietzek;35977834]Ironic thing to do for a country that has a cross in its flag.[/QUOTE]
It can also be associated with a sword if you must associate to anything. For me, it's nothing but a design element.
[QUOTE=brainmaster;35979786]It can also be associated with a sword if you must associate to anything. For me, it's nothing but a design element.[/QUOTE]
Well it's the Nordic cross which represents Christianity.
[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;35971228]Damnit Norway, stop being so awesome or else I'll have to immigrate your ass. >:([/QUOTE]
Don't worry, we have a quite generous immigrant policy.
[QUOTE=mac338;35979936]Well it's the Nordic cross which represents Christianity.[/QUOTE]
I know, but then again I don't associate it with Christianity as much as I associate it with Norway.
Remember when that atheist group wanted to change the flag? :v:
[QUOTE=Bobie;35970136]now the rest of the world will follow, soon enough.[/QUOTE]
More like Norway just caught up with the rest of the world. It started with the age of englightenment you know.
[QUOTE=brainmaster;35980176]Remember when that atheist group wanted to change the flag? :v:[/QUOTE]
That would've turned out great.
[IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75010084/Nogodrway.jpg[/IMG]
Well, time for a Islamic state then.
[QUOTE=Bobie;35970136]now the rest of the world will follow, soon enough.[/QUOTE]
Most countries are already secular, it's Norway that follows the rest of the world.
[img]http://niggaupload.com/images/NAys7.jpg[/img]
Doesn't mean that it is a bad thing, religion should always be seperated from the state and it's good that Norway finally changed that.
[QUOTE=Chrille;35975805]The bigthing[/QUOTE]
If you translate it correctly, it is supposed to mean "The Great Assembly".
"Thing" is an old germanic word for a governing assembly.
I never knew that Norway had an official religion.
YLSNED
Suck it, Olaf Tryggvason.
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