Obama Says FCC Should Reclassify Internet As a Utility - Polidicks

Poor guy looks so tired

The GOP reaction to this is already hilarious. :v: [editline]10th November 2014[/editline] via Ted Cruz: [quote]"Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government.[/quote]

I'd so rather pay an internet tax over the depressing corporate taxes. It's both another way to give the govt money and another way to not line the pockets of the corporations who underpay their workers.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;46455188]The GOP reaction to this is already hilarious. :v: [editline]10th November 2014[/editline] via Ted Cruz:[/QUOTE] The sad thing is this somehow isn't satire.

Why doesn't he just use his executive power to will it to his command? I mean, he's gonna be out of office in a couple years and isn't getting reelected...

[QUOTE=Dalndox;46455188]The GOP reaction to this is already hilarious. :v: [editline]10th November 2014[/editline] via Ted Cruz:[/QUOTE] if net neutrality weren't a thing it wouldn't operate at the speed of government, it would operate slower

finally something he's doing is something that i can get behind tho my mom is still gonna find a reason to complain

I think this sounds like bullshit. If you are concerned about net neutrality, then governments and regulations are the biggest threat.

It's amazing to me how people are completely fine with monopolies... as long as they're either allowed by or directly run by the government. Many of the issues that people have with the current ISPs comes from the fact that the market is so incredibly regulated that competition is all but impossible already. Yet you guys want there to be even less competition. If this happens you'll see a stagnation of innovation (you think Google would have build their fiber networks if internet was treated like water or electricity already are?), a crumbling of infrastructure over the long term, and an absolute destruction of any form of customer service. You might hate the customer service of the current providers, but compared to government established monopolies like Edison, the garbage services, or the water company it's incredible. Last year we had our main street trash can crack down the side. So we call Burtec, the local garbage company, for a replacement... it took three weeks to get one, and guess what? We had no other choice but to wait.

obama looks high as fuck in that video [sp]but seriously he looks miserable holy shit[/sp]

Good. It needs to be. [QUOTE=dai;46455105]even when I was job hunting back in 2007 pretty much anywhere I asked for applications they said "just fill it out online". It was a pain, given a lot of forms back then were complete shit and either didn't work right, or they were too selective and weeded you out for choosing the wrong job title to apply to out of a list of 20 for a store with 5 people manning it[/QUOTE] Not only that but you have no chance at all if you lack formal work experience. Paper apps can sometimes get around that, but online apps are first handled by a server somewhere. That server looks at the experience listed on the app, compares it to a table, and just dumps it if it doesn't match up. Which is fucking infuriating as a job seeker.

ISP's are already threatening to sue if the FCC classifies them as common carrier under title two.

Yay, go Obama! [editline]10th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=jordguitar;46456005]ISP's are already threatening to sue if the FCC classifies them as common carrier under title two.[/QUOTE] Fine, let them. No one sane would stand with the ISP's.

[QUOTE=Medevila;46456037]Objectively false, gov't has done next to nothing to regulate the internet- the only thing they have "done" is avoid getting in the road of big ISPs charging additional fees, pay-to-play schemes, and buyouts saying the government somehow holds a monopoly on internet services makes 0 sense burden of proof is on you, name the regulations on ISPs that are supposedly stifling competition[/QUOTE] A simple Google search will bring up tons about it. Here's an article: [URL]http://www.wired.com/2013/07/we-need-to-stop-focusing-on-just-cable-companies-and-blame-local-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/[/URL] and here's a testimony to congress about the issue by one of the Google execs running its fiber setup: [URL]http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/TestimonyofMiloMedin_1.pdf[/URL] [editline]10th November 2014[/editline] By making it a utility it only makes sense that it will be regulated like every other utility: a government established and enforced monopoly.

[QUOTE=Medevila;46456178]speaking federally here, the FCC isn't going to involve itself creating monopolies in counties/municipalities.. it'd do quite the opposite, the precedent is there in your own sources the Google testimony before the House is in line with this.. referring to local governments, crediting the FCC with the conservative measure it had taken at the time, asking for -increased- action on their part[/QUOTE] So you expect a completely different, in fact opposite, consequence from making internet a utility than every other utility in the country?

Its going to be somewhat difficult to get the FCC to do this short of executive orders (Obama is like a king1!11!!) because the chairman of the FCC right now was chairman of a lobbyist group for the interests of cable companies. Like hiring a petroleum lobbyist to manage green energy commission :v:

[QUOTE=Medevila;46456214]You're.. uninformed. We're discussing the FCC and federal regulation here not the corporate buyout of garbage services in municipalities you were upset about a few posts earlier [editline]10th November 2014[/editline] totally different ball games[/QUOTE] I don't even know what you're responding to. How does a corporate buyout have anything at all to do with what I've said?

A good comparison would be telephone services, also considered a public utility and similar in nature.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46454189]Wait. Wouldn't this in theory force taxes to be placed on the internet in the regards to sales tax?[/QUOTE] I will fucking GLADLY pay sales tax on my internet to ensure that it's not fucked with by the corporations. [editline]10th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46454225]Maybe, but what if governments make you pay more/give you less?[/QUOTE] That's not how taxes work. It's a set % (or a number of set %s) on top of the final billed amount charged by the ISP. i.e. ISP charges you 59.99 for 60mbps down / 15mbps up Taxes inc: 2.5% Local, 2% County, 5% Federal, 1.5% FCC tax Total Taxes: $6.60 Total Bill: $66.59

[QUOTE=Medevila;46456262]you may not have much choice in garbagemen where you live but you bet your ass you can get a landline from at least 3 companies[/QUOTE] I have a single traditional home phone provider, Verizon, that's it. All other home phone providers are through other, non-traditional, routes like the cable connection. I also live about an hour out of LA, most definitely not in the middle of nowhere. The rise of internet phone services are the biggest competition traditional phone serves have had in decades.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46456333][b]I have a single traditional home phone provider, Verizon, that's it.[/b] All other home phone providers are through other, non-traditional, routes like the cable connection. I also live about an hour out of LA, most definitely not in the middle of nowhere. The rise of internet phone services are the biggest competition traditional phone serves have had in decades.[/QUOTE] Clearly this is because of government regulation, and there's hundreds of innovators just waiting to jump into this market and create better land-line service for all 3 people that still use it.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46456129] By making it a utility it only makes sense that it will be regulated like every other utility: a government established and enforced monopoly.[/QUOTE] a LOCALLY established and REGULATED monopoly. They're called regulated monopolies for a reason. I dont see an issue with this. Whats the problem with a regulated monopoly? Economics 101 would say we would rather see a free market, but since that market has failed (or doesnt exist) a regulated monopoly is the next-best option. The worst being what we currently have: an unregulated monopoly

Would this reclassification cause a restructuring in how this weird oligopoly is?

Obama will win again. Just you see. Im not happy about that. But it will happen.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46456129]By making it a utility it only makes sense that it will be regulated like every other utility: a government established and enforced monopoly.[/QUOTE] why even call it a monopoly, do you not think some services should be the government's responsibility?

[QUOTE=dannass;46457213]Obama will win again. Just you see. Im not happy about that. But it will happen.[/QUOTE] What, do you mean be voted back in? That impossible. He already is on his 2nd term.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46455947]It's amazing to me how people are completely fine with monopolies... as long as they're either allowed by or directly run by the government. Many of the issues that people have with the current ISPs comes from the fact that the market is so incredibly regulated that competition is all but impossible already. Yet you guys want there to be even less competition. If this happens you'll see a stagnation of innovation (you think Google would have build their fiber networks if internet was treated like water or electricity already are?), a crumbling of infrastructure over the long term, and an absolute destruction of any form of customer service. You might hate the customer service of the current providers, but compared to government established monopolies like Edison, the garbage services, or the water company it's incredible. Last year we had our main street trash can crack down the side. So we call Burtec, the local garbage company, for a replacement... it took three weeks to get one, and guess what? We had no other choice but to wait.[/QUOTE] The difference between the Government and Corporations is the fact that the Government is ACTUALLY TRYING TO FUCKING HELP YOU. Corporations are only out there to do one thing and one thing only, make money, and if we didn't have regulations on them they would even disregard the consumer's life to get that money. Government is around to fucking to fucking look out and protect it's citizens.

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I'm somewhat hesitant about net neutrality laws. They may make monopolies worse by creating more barriers of entry and red tape. Also, who are we to decide this is the only way the internet should be run? Maybe some consumers would be happier with other kinds of internet plans. Why limit innovation in this space? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X8WY_Dq1Vg[/media]

[QUOTE=Mobon1;46455984]obama looks high as fuck in that video [sp]but seriously he looks miserable holy shit[/sp][/QUOTE]you try being told you are shit everyday and that no one likes you. I feel like this could go multiple ways such as, enough of the people and government agreeing and doing it or the media turning it into OBAMIE INTERNET and just shit talking it so the majority of people ,aka idiots that still listen to the news ,will think it is a bad terrible shit thing or nothing could happen.