Trump Makes Deal with Carrier Air Conditioning to keep 1,000 Jobs in the US - Polidicks

Has he proposed a single policy that is anything other than pants on head retarded?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51449053]You say that, yet in the next breath you criticize Trump for flip flopping a million times and you claim that nobody actually knows what his true policies are. Pick one.[/QUOTE] I would [I]like[/I] for him to change his mind on a lot of these things. I don't believe I've criticized him for flip flopping on things. In most cases I think I would prefer it. The point is, with the given information we know that Trump isn't exactly up to date on climate science, so the most reasonable assumption is that his policies would lack. He [I]might[/I] do well, he [I]might[/I] change his mind, sure. But he doesn't seem enthused about it, and with what we currently know, it doesn't seem likely. [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] The direction this is heading is probably better suited for the existing thread on Trump Admin climate policy, though.

[QUOTE=GunFox;51449071]Has he proposed a single policy that is anything other than pants on head retarded?[/QUOTE] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1543462[/url]

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51448757]2you need to be able to make 15/hr just to get by.[/QUOTE] Where in the hell do you live that 15/hr is just barely enough to get by?

So half of the jobs are still being lost/moved out of the country, and I'm willing to bet the installation of a "Base Series" unit will still run you $4-7K with the Green Speeds reaching upwards of $12-20K.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448371]Right now he has as much power as you or I do.[/QUOTE] surely you can't be serious, mr president elect

The "He isn't even in office yet you don't know what hes going to do!" shit is unbelievable. Really? If he does even half of what he wants to by the end of his presidency, if he doesn't get impeached or assassinated, it will be a disaster. A businessman was elected to be the President of the United States, I know exactly what hes going to fucking do. The climate change denial and EPA shit removed any shred of hope I had that maybe he wasn't just caring about businesses (and his own) pockets.

I thought Trump was gonna bring jobs [i]back[/i] to the US, not just prevent half of them from leaving (assuming he'll have the same success with other companies) for the time being.

[QUOTE=Mr Clean;51448963]try reading the article[/QUOTE] Epic zinger dude. What kind of idiot do you take me for? [QUOTE]be friendlier to businesses by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code[/QUOTE] This is the same thing Trump has been saying for the last year and a half, hardly anything to go on. We have no idea what's actually happened in this deal.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51448532]Sounds like the working man just hates him! I have no idea what specifically is going to be changed. The article did not go into any more detail than saying "easing regulations." That could be removing random and useless permits that have to be purchased for almost everything in a factory like this. It could be something else entirely.[/QUOTE] like =/= protected. this one has direct interest in supporting trump regardless given the precarious position they have been placed in. you'll find that many workers' across industries are in favor of reducing red tape, sure, before they realize that red tape is one of the thing that protects them and holds their employers accountable for shit, such as shipyard workers getting their knees, backs, and lungs shot; thankfully the "bureaucratic red tape" of OSHA is still around, making sure that those workers don't get completely fucked over and have a route to get their medical bills paid for. the threat of reducing corporate regulation is pretty serious. many people seem not to understand directly how important many of these regulations are. the content of this post has nothing to do with Robin, it is simply a comment on the fact that just because a worker supports trump after trump (reportedly) has saved their job, they are not actually speaking to worker protection whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51449053]You say that, yet in the next breath you criticize Trump for flip flopping a million times and you claim that nobody actually knows what his true policies are. Pick one.[/QUOTE] this goes both ways dude "trump's suitable to be president of the united states btw he won't uphold even a fraction of his campaign promises lol"

This just in: government makes deals with private organization, more at 6.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51449173][url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1543462[/url][/QUOTE] This could be a good thing (and will definitely be seen as such by a lot of hoosiers), but without knowing precisely what they agreed to this could be something of a Trojan horse as well. Imagine if you will that Trump and Pence promised Carrier preferential treatment when it comes to government contracts in the future with this deal. Wouldn't that be the same sort of back-room blatant corruption everyone was up in arms about during the election season? Trump and Pence would be pandering to Hoosiers for a feel-good measure at the expense of the rest of the taxpayers, and would have given in to what's kind of like corporate extortion. Until we know the details of the deal, we won't know how good of a policy this is. We're also going to have to wait and see how it plays out, because what often sounds good on paper ends up having unforeseen consequences later on down the line. Right now I'm glad ~1000 people are going to keep their jobs for a while longer, but I'm distrustful of politicians, especially ones like Trump and Pence. The other thing a lot of people have been missing with this is that Indiana has been working towards clawing back all the grants, tax breaks, and subsidies given to Carrier prior to Pence being selected as VP. I'm not sure how much that's contributed to their decision, but I doubt it's insignificant. I know my dad's engineering firm has been directing clients to competitor products ever since Carrier announced the plan to move to Mexico, and the bulk of his firm's work is made up of government contracts. His firm wasn't alone in that regard. That started before Trump got involved at all.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51449180]Where in the hell do you live that 15/hr is just barely enough to get by?[/QUOTE] New Jersey, one of the most expensive states to live in just after New York and California.

Half the jobs are still going to mexico and they are giving them a huge tax break. It's a win win for carrier. Can't wait till every company and their mom tries the same thing.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51449053]You say that, yet in the next breath you criticize Trump for flip flopping a million times and you claim that nobody actually knows what his true policies are. Pick one.[/QUOTE] With trump it's more like going to the rifle range with your fucking idiot friend who didn't learn gun safety and does not belong here at all. You're going to get the gun flashed and pointed at you many many times and you can't tell what the fuck he's going to do. Trump's a bit like that he's all "let's fuck the planet" Normal think he's serious because he has a history of ignoring climate change even before becoming president, ignoring climate change was one of his talking points that got him voted in and everyone around him says that climate change is a hoax. Delusional people think he isn't serious because he does a 180 and throws out a few reassuring words a day later. Same thing with LGBT rights, get a gaggle of fag haters as your entourage and you can expect some people to be worried. Worry no more, you can wave a gay flag and talk about banning muslims to abate the "fears" of all your other supporters who will now defend you on yet another issue despite how insincere you were.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;51449999]The "He isn't even in office yet you don't know what hes going to do!" shit is unbelievable. Really? If he does even half of what he wants to by the end of his presidency, if he doesn't get impeached or assassinated, it will be a disaster. A businessman was elected to be the President of the United States, I know exactly what hes going to fucking do. The climate change denial and EPA shit removed any shred of hope I had that maybe he wasn't just caring about businesses (and his own) pockets.[/QUOTE] Personally if you ask me his impeachment will be a worse disaster considering Pence will take over the Oval Office

[QUOTE=GunFox;51449071]Has he proposed a single policy that is anything other than pants on head retarded?[/QUOTE] No more bad lobbying was a good proposal. There are a few good things here and there in his policies you don't hear about. Who knows how serious he is about any of them though. The no more lobbying one is already a joke.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51450748]Personally if you ask me his impeachment will be a worse disaster considering Pence will take over the Oval Office[/QUOTE] Pence is a nasty guy using Trump's language but at least we know what we're getting, and a disaster like an impeachment would give the dems a bonus in the midterms. Unless it happens after the midterms, and if so he doesn't have much time in office

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51449053]You say that, yet in the next breath you criticize Trump for flip flopping a million times and you claim that nobody actually knows what his true policies are. Pick one.[/QUOTE] On a lot of other points it is really difficult to tell what his policies are really going to be since he does flip flop so much. However, he has announced that he is appointing a climate change denier to oversee the Environmental Protection Agency. On this particular matter, his colors are now clear.

Funny enough Bernie Sanders supports the use of using defense contracts as leverage with Carrier to keep the jobs here; [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-carrier-promise_us_583b4c00e4b09b605600e229[/url] Huffington Post but the only other source on this is Forbes which was triggered by his Outsource Prevention Bill.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51448757]24/hr is the same rate a journeyman plumber, electrician, hvac tech, and carpenters all earn union or otherwise. I'm guessing they aren't blue collar working jobs now because some schmuck in a factory makes that? Good fucking lord maybe in the 80s 24/hr was a shit load of money but today you need to be able to make 15/hr just to get by. 24/hr is nothing special by todays standards. Paramud, what do you do for a living to get by? To consider 24/hr above working man tier I can only imagine you work some dead end job just barely making above minimum wage. I really hope I'm wrong on that. Skilled blue collar careers pay well into the 20s and even 30s because of the years of training and experience required to get there. This is only shown by that guy earning 24/hr.[/QUOTE] My OT rate is a bit over 24/hr, and I get about 2-6hrs of OT a week. I get by fine single and splitting rent with one roommate. Things would be tight if I had to pay rent solo.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51450967]Funny enough Bernie Sanders supports the use of using defense contracts as leverage with Carrier to keep the jobs here; [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-carrier-promise_us_583b4c00e4b09b605600e229[/url] Huffington Post but the only other source on this is Forbes which was triggered by his Outsource Prevention Bill.[/QUOTE] It's more the deregulation and easing taxes bit people are worried about. It's very nebulous since the article says absolutely nothing about what exactly the deal is, but that could potentially be very harmful.

[QUOTE=geel9;51448970]He's throwing out all of NASA's climate research and his default position is that climate change does not exist. Climate change is the single greatest threat to the United States, and he's completely ignoring it.[/QUOTE] This is a total falsehood though, all he said was NASA isn't the organization that's going to be heading that kind of work I know it's hard not to make shit up to make the other guys seem bad, but please at least try

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51451178]This is a total falsehood though, all he said was NASA isn't the organization that's going to be heading that kind of work I know it's hard not to make shit up to make the other guys seem bad, but please at least try[/QUOTE] NASA is the only one capable of doing it. As, you know, you have to do most of it from space. He appointed a climate change denier and made it the default stance of his administration. Like come on.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51450863]Pence is a nasty guy using Trump's language but at least we know what we're getting, and a disaster like an impeachment would give the dems a bonus in the midterms. Unless it happens after the midterms, and if so he doesn't have much time in office[/QUOTE] At this point Trump could kill someone and i'm not sure republicans would impeach him because they only care about saving their own asses. If it were to hurt them in upcoming elections they will do anything to ignore his controversies.

1000 jobs in Indianapolis is 0.1% of the population of just Indianapolis alone. But 1000 jobs have left to Mexico anyway. ??? I thought his biggest campaign promise was "BRINGING THE JOBS BACK", if he can barely save 2000 jobs from leaving, how is he bringing them back? And where are all the Trumpites in the Secretary of Treasury thread? Was the 2008 housing crash Obama's fault too?

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;51451123]My OT rate is a bit over 24/hr, and I get about 2-6hrs of OT a week. I get by fine single and splitting rent with one roommate. Things would be tight if I had to pay rent solo.[/QUOTE] Where do you live? I'm in South NJ, little to no apartments and public transportation is near non-existent here. It's either shitty apartment complexes filled with drug dealers, trash and unsavory types or high end $1,400/monthly rent complexes. Anything lower than $1,000 is typically 55+ community. Lowest for a single adult would be around $1,100 because the few that are affordable have long waiting lists, but even getting something below $1,400 would be hard. There is no middle ground here. $1,400 also being the average going by what I see on zillow. Then for a young twenty something male like me car insurance is through the roof, at 20/21 it's over $400 a month provided you have a car you don't need to make payment on because its cool to discriminate against young males in auto insurance because 'they're high risk'.(Despite it being not cool to discriminate against women in healthcare for the same reason when both forms of insurance are just as much a necessity to not get fucked over). It drops significantly over a few years but is still expensive, and it also depends which insurance agency you go with like StateFarm, Geico, etc. If you have a used or new car that's easily another few hundred dollars to lose a month, with interest. Then, after apartment rent you have utilities to make sure you don't freeze to death in the winter and are able to take showers for basic hygiene. Here in NJ you also can't drive a mile in any distance without paying a toll, and getting a toll pass requires a monthly subscription. Then there is the topic of health coverage, which I'd really get fucked over on. $15/hr for me I'd probably die on the streets if I couldn't find a roommate or a really cheap area that isn't a shit hole.

[QUOTE=Kagu;51451315]I thought his biggest campaign promise was "BRINGING THE JOBS BACK", if he can barely save 2000 jobs from leaving, how is he bringing them back?[/QUOTE] I'm just as ready to be critical of him but this is downright unfair as he's not even in office yet.

[QUOTE=ZachPL;51451292]At this point Trump could kill someone and i'm not sure republicans would impeach him because they only care about saving their own asses. If it were to hurt them in upcoming elections they will do anything to ignore his controversies.[/QUOTE] It is somewhat likely that we will have an economic downturn during these 4 years, so in my opinion that'll be their big opportunity, that combined with a scandal. And we know that he's pretty much guaranteed to keep up with the scandals