Trump Makes Deal with Carrier Air Conditioning to keep 1,000 Jobs in the US - Polidicks

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51450967]Funny enough Bernie Sanders supports the use of using defense contracts as leverage with Carrier to keep the jobs here; [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-carrier-promise_us_583b4c00e4b09b605600e229[/url] Huffington Post but the only other source on this is Forbes which was triggered by his Outsource Prevention Bill.[/QUOTE] I don't see a problem with that, it's just that if Trump is going to make due on his promise to keep millions of jobs in America (and more, to bring millions back on top of that) then what is he going to do when the vast majority of those companies aren't involved with defense at all, or have such little investment in government projects that it would be worth it to cut their losses and move production elsewhere? Good job saving 1000 jobs. Hell, if he saved 10 jobs I'd praise Trump. We don't know the details but I'm sure there are 1000 families who are happier today then they were two days ago. I just don't see it as a strategy that is going to work for too many more companies, and I'd really like to know what exactly Pence gave them to keep them in Indiana. If they did give them a tax break then I'd have to agree with what other posters have insinuated or outright posted, that it's the exact sort of crony captalist backroom dealing insider favoritism that people wanted Trump to get rid of.

[QUOTE=Kagu;51451315]1000 jobs in Indianapolis is 0.1% of the population of just Indianapolis alone. But 1000 jobs have left to Mexico anyway. ??? I thought his biggest campaign promise was "BRINGING THE JOBS BACK", if he can barely save 2000 jobs from leaving, how is he bringing them back? And where are all the Trumpites in the Secretary of Treasury thread? Was the 2008 housing crash Obama's fault too?[/QUOTE] [B][I][U]Make America Worse Slightly Slower[/U] (And In Many Ways Faster)[/I][/B]

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51451427]Where do you live? I'm in South NJ, little to no apartments and public transportation is near non-existent here. It's either shitty apartment complexes filled with drug dealers, trash and unsavory types or high end $1,400/monthly rent complexes. Anything lower than $1,000 is typically 55+ community. Lowest for a single adult would be around $1,100 because the few that are affordable have long waiting lists, but even getting something below $1,400 would be hard. There is no middle ground here. $1,400 also being the average going by what I see on zillow. Then for a young twenty something male like me car insurance is through the roof, at 20/21 it's over $400 a month provided you have a car you don't need to make payment on because its cool to discriminate against young males in auto insurance because 'they're high risk'.(Despite it being not cool to discriminate against women in healthcare for the same reason when both forms of insurance are just as much a necessity to not get fucked over). It drops significantly over a few years but is still expensive, and it also depends which insurance agency you go with like StateFarm, Geico, etc. If you have a used or new car that's easily another few hundred dollars to lose a month, with interest. Then, after apartment rent you have utilities to make sure you don't freeze to death in the winter and are able to take showers for basic hygiene. Here in NJ you also can't drive a mile in any distance without paying a toll, and getting a toll pass requires a monthly subscription. Then there is the topic of health coverage, which I'd really get fucked over on. $15/hr for me I'd probably die on the streets if I couldn't find a roommate or a really cheap area that isn't a shit hole.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry it costs so much were you live but Indiana is completely different. I make 11.50/hr and get by perfectly fine, granted I have a roommate so things aren't as tight as they could be but then again with no roommate I wouldn't be renting a two bedroom townhouse (for 680/m) and no, it's not in an even remotely shitty area. Trust me when I say $24/hr is a pretty solid wage here, though obviously it would be a lot tighter with a family of four. Though I do disagree with the earlier assumption that this guy was someone with years of experience and a manager position, even my friends that work factory jobs that just started recently make about $20/hr and I could make about $18/hr if I actually made an effort to get a job dispatching emergency services (I work as a dispatcher currently though in the public safety sector as opposed to emergency services). But anyways 15/hr would have me living pretty comfortably atm.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51452521]I'm sorry it costs so much were you live but Indiana is completely different. I make 11.50/hr and get by perfectly fine, granted I have a roommate so things aren't as tight as they could be but then again with no roommate I wouldn't be renting a two bedroom townhouse (for 680/m) and no, it's not in an even remotely shitty area. Trust me when I say $24/hr is a pretty solid wage here, though obviously it would be a lot tighter with a family of four. Though I do disagree with the earlier assumption that this guy was someone with years of experience and a manager position, even my friends that work factory jobs that just started recently make about $20/hr and I could make about $18/hr if I actually made an effort to get a job dispatching emergency services (I work as a dispatcher currently though in the public safety sector as opposed to emergency services). But anyways 15/hr would have me living pretty comfortably atm.[/QUOTE] This sounds really weird coming from an area where a one bedroom apartment is $600-800 and most factory work pays $10-$12/hr.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51448063]So the government interfered in the marketplace, probably by giving special favors to a "chosen winner". This is considered a win for the free-market? If Republicans had any integrity, they'd be angry about this, because it flies in the face of everything they used to say was their ideology. But I've stopped being surprised at GOP hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] And yet we have people every day supporting basic income. You gotta have compromise in life people.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51453658]And yet we have people every day supporting basic income. You gotta have compromise in life people.[/QUOTE] I think you'll find little overlap between people supporting a universal basic income and people who want a government that intervenes in the market as little as possible.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51453662]I think you'll find little overlap between people supporting a universal basic income and people who want a government that intervenes in the market as little as possible.[/QUOTE] Either way, capitalism dies.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51453692]Either way, capitalism dies.[/QUOTE] Or thrives, as people have enough capital to keep themselves out of immediate danger and can take interesting risks they otherwise wouldn't pursuing small business ventures and other projects. There are a lot of ways UBI could lead us.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51452521]I'm sorry it costs so much were you live but Indiana is completely different. I make 11.50/hr and get by perfectly fine, granted I have a roommate so things aren't as tight as they could be but then again with no roommate I wouldn't be renting a two bedroom townhouse (for 680/m) and no, it's not in an even remotely shitty area. Trust me when I say $24/hr is a pretty solid wage here, though obviously it would be a lot tighter with a family of four. Though I do disagree with the earlier assumption that this guy was someone with years of experience and a manager position, even my friends that work factory jobs that just started recently make about $20/hr and I could make about $18/hr if I actually made an effort to get a job dispatching emergency services (I work as a dispatcher currently though in the public safety sector as opposed to emergency services). But anyways 15/hr would have me living pretty comfortably atm.[/QUOTE] It's to be expected, Indiana is inland and NJ is a coastal state. This results in different significantly different costs of living. The wealthy are more likely to own boats, summer houses, and much more here. Because this area is a tourist attraction it doesn't get any love in public transportation forcing people to buy their own private transportation and there is no government incentive or real estate investor incentive to build apartments or townhomes. Because there is so much demand for housing and so little supply the costs skyrocket as well. Every state ends up having its own cost of living. [QUOTE=ultra_bright;51453692]Either way, capitalism dies.[/QUOTE] Hardly, government preventing corporate fuckery and making sure the common people can actually buy food to put on the table isn't going to kill capitalism. It actually will keep capitalism alive, if people have no money to spend then corporations can't sell goods and then the economy go kapoot because corporations were short sighted.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51451178]This is a total falsehood though, all he said was NASA isn't the organization that's going to be heading that kind of work I know it's hard not to make shit up to make the other guys seem bad, but please at least try[/QUOTE] NASA is the only one with the orbital infastructure capable of it, plus he's nominated climate skeptics to the agencies tasked with creating the regulations capable of dealing with it in our economy. [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;51452014]I don't see a problem with that, it's just that if Trump is going to make due on his promise to keep millions of jobs in America (and more, to bring millions back on top of that) then what is he going to do when the vast majority of those companies aren't involved with defense at all, or have such little investment in government projects that it would be worth it to cut their losses and move production elsewhere? Good job saving 1000 jobs. Hell, if he saved 10 jobs I'd praise Trump. We don't know the details but I'm sure there are 1000 families who are happier today then they were two days ago. I just don't see it as a strategy that is going to work for too many more companies, and I'd really like to know what exactly Pence gave them to keep them in Indiana. If they did give them a tax break then I'd have to agree with what other posters have insinuated or outright posted, that it's the exact sort of crony captalist backroom dealing insider favoritism that people wanted Trump to get rid of.[/QUOTE] 2000 families are silently praying that they are one of the 1000 families keeping a job. [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;51451123]My OT rate is a bit over 24/hr, and I get about 2-6hrs of OT a week. I get by fine single and splitting rent with one roommate. Things would be tight if I had to pay rent solo.[/QUOTE] OT is taxed at a different rate than regular hours though, my collegue has by some glitch in payroll had his entire check taxed as OT and he only barely made more than he would have working a regular schedule. i've not exactly checked but he was saying its taxed in the 40'ish % versus regular hours which aren't, granted it depends slightly on your state's tax rate as well

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51451427]Where do you live? I'm in South NJ, little to no apartments and public transportation is near non-existent here. It's either shitty apartment complexes filled with drug dealers, trash and unsavory types or high end $1,400/monthly rent complexes. Anything lower than $1,000 is typically 55+ community. Lowest for a single adult would be around $1,100 because the few that are affordable have long waiting lists, but even getting something below $1,400 would be hard. There is no middle ground here. $1,400 also being the average going by what I see on zillow. Then for a young twenty something male like me car insurance is through the roof, at 20/21 it's over $400 a month provided you have a car you don't need to make payment on because its cool to discriminate against young males in auto insurance because 'they're high risk'.(Despite it being not cool to discriminate against women in healthcare for the same reason when both forms of insurance are just as much a necessity to not get fucked over). It drops significantly over a few years but is still expensive, and it also depends which insurance agency you go with like StateFarm, Geico, etc. If you have a used or new car that's easily another few hundred dollars to lose a month, with interest. Then, after apartment rent you have utilities to make sure you don't freeze to death in the winter and are able to take showers for basic hygiene. Here in NJ you also can't drive a mile in any distance without paying a toll, and getting a toll pass requires a monthly subscription. Then there is the topic of health coverage, which I'd really get fucked over on. $15/hr for me I'd probably die on the streets if I couldn't find a roommate or a really cheap area that isn't a shit hole.[/QUOTE] I live in the metro area in MN. Apartments and trailers go as low as about $700 for real shitty places, my 2br place is $1100 in an ok area. No utilities covered anymore, they used to cover water and trash. I don't pay for health insurance yet, my parents family plan has better coverage than I could afford and I still have a couple years of that. I also pay my parents to stay on their car insurance for $120/mo, I drive a gray 4 door V6 so it's pretty unassuming to an insurer. No tolls here unless you want a special lane on some of the highways during rush hour. Car payment is less than 200 but i've been doubling up on it to get it paid off before spring. Really the only reasons I can live well is splitting rent and utilities with a friend in a 2br, and not having health issues.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51448757]24/hr is nothing special by todays standards.[/QUOTE] An eight-hour workday where you work five days a week nets you $50,000/year. You have serious issues if you somehow find a way to complain while earning that amount of money.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51458803]An eight-hour workday where you work five days a week nets you $50,000/year. You have serious issues if you somehow find a way to complain while earning that amount of money.[/QUOTE] That issue being he lives in New England which is one of the most expensive areas in the US to live in.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51458803]An eight-hour workday where you work five days a week nets you $50,000/year. You have serious issues if you somehow find a way to complain while earning that amount of money.[/QUOTE] Come live in the NY metropolitan area and you'll change your tune real quick. Fun fact: Different areas of the country have different costs of living from each other. A fucking studio apartment on average goes for $1,408 here, and those can only be found up in fucking Newark, Atlantic City, or other shitholes.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51451450]It is somewhat likely that we will have an economic downturn during these 4 years, so in my opinion that'll be their big opportunity, that combined with a scandal. And we know that he's pretty much guaranteed to keep up with the scandals[/QUOTE] I'd say it's more than somewhat likely. There is a reason 370 economists signed a letter saying "Do not vote for Donald Trump". We're probably going to see a recession if the Republicans don't cut the shit and stop his tax plans, infrastructure plans, and other crazy money losing schemes. I'm just wondering how much wider the wealth gap will be by the time he gets out of office. If we have any sense, we'll be screaming for a liberal government then. And if the democrats have any sense, they'll pull their heads out of their asses and focus on real problems.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51460197]Come live in the NY metropolitan area and you'll change your tune real quick. Fun fact: Different areas of the country have different costs of living from each other. A fucking studio apartment on average goes for $1,408 here, and those can only be found up in fucking Newark, Atlantic City, or other shitholes.[/QUOTE] It's pretty insane here in Seattle as well and prices are only going up

There's been an update. It turns out Trump lied about keeping all of these jobs in America. [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/06/he-got-up-there-and-lied-his-a-off-carrier-union-leader-on-trumps-big-deal/[/url]