[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46492875]He has somewhat of a point, while I wouldn't say he shouldn't be operating spacecraft solely based on the shirt I will say he made a pretty dumb choice to wear that shirt on international television. It doesn't look a bit professional, seems a little juvenile, and is sure to cause a commotion (which it has.). I think anyone who spends a least bit of time working with/around important people or are in a highly visible professional setting would agree.[/QUOTE]
So why was the shirt slammed for being "sexist" and not "unprofessional"?
People keep saying that the shirt isn't appropriate in a professional environment, but that's not why people were after him. People were after him because they say that the shirt is straight up sexist.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46492943]So why was the shirt slammed for being "sexist" and not "unprofessional"?
People keep saying that the shirt isn't appropriate in a professional environment, but that's not why people were after him. People were after him because they say that the shirt is straight up sexist.[/QUOTE]
Because slamming it as being sexist will cause more media attention.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;46492840]Your comment and others like it miss the point of the complaints about the shirt. Of course this never was a concern and 'no one' was worse off for it. Back then certain groups, like women and minorities, were locked out and no one cared.
The difference is today, in today's world, we want people who were previously locked out to join in. What does it say to girls and women who see this guy in a high profile position in a historic event wearing a shirt like that? Does it say "Hey, get your education in science and get in on this kind of thing, we need you!"? No, it says "This is a boy's club, no girls need apply".
That shirt may be a hilarious thing to wear, at the right time and place and among the right people. I can't imagine how he thought it was appropriate for this. So I guess if a person believes anyone should be able to display whatever images he wants at work, yeah you could ask what the big deal is. I myself don't understand what's so hard about the concept of propriety that people can't grasp it.[/QUOTE]
speaking as a tighty whitey testicles haver all the shirt tells me is "ESA teams must be pretty chill" and "scientists have no fashion sense"
I'm not entirely sure how anyone could leap from "this scientist is wearing a shirt with sexy ladies on it" to "women are unwelcome in science". In fact I don't see how it could possibly say anything about the role of anyone in anything.
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[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46492943]So why was the shirt slammed for being "sexist" and not "unprofessional"?
People keep saying that the shirt isn't appropriate in a professional environment, but that's not why people were after him. People were after him because they say that the shirt is straight up sexist.[/QUOTE]
can I just say that the "unprofessional" argument is complete fucking nonsense
THEY are the ones who landed a fucking probe on a comet. Clearly they know exactly how to run their shit. You don't tell the guy who built the first pyramid "uh excuse me but don't you think your hair is a little unprofessional?"
the professionals are the ones who decide what's professional, not the peanut gallery.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46492925]I would wear that shirt if the men in bulging leather thongs were from JoJo.
Not everyone is horrified by the very concept of sexuality, and I'm guessing that if this guy has been working with these people for a decade they have a general understanding about what people are okay with. If people from outside the team want to come in and be offended that's on them.[/QUOTE]
jojo doesn't count :v:
I understand if he wears it every once in a while around the team he's been with for years and they all react with "Oh man, here he comes with his wacky shirt again!"
But when you're representing the agency, it's not really a good idea. It's like wearing it at a dinner table with family. You don't always joke about the same things with friends that you do with the public (or family).
If he wears it all the time and has swimsuit model posters all over his workspace, though, that's a different manner where it would be much more likely to make people uncomfortable. Not everyone, and probably not people he's been working with for years, but some people. If you want to hire new people, you have to make your environment seem welcoming.
Though he probably only wears it every once in a while.
[QUOTE=Last or First;46493044]jojo doesn't count :v:
I understand if he wears it every once in a while around the team he's been with for years and they all react with "Oh man, here he comes with his wacky shirt again!"
But when you're representing the agency, it's not really a good idea. It's like wearing it at a dinner table with family. You don't always joke about the same things with friends that you do with the public (or family).
If he wears it all the time and has swimsuit model posters all over his workspace, though, that's a different manner where it would be much more likely to make people uncomfortable. Not everyone, and probably not people he's been working with for years, but some people. If you want to hire new people, you have to make your environment seem welcoming.
Though he probably only wears it every once in a while.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing it's a lucky shirt sorta deal. When you're trying to hit a point the size of a needle by flinging a tin can through a ten year long loop de loop in deep space, you need all the luck you can get.
Honestly though, at some point people coming in need to adapt to the team and not the other way round. If you don't like that John Carmack rides through the halls on a segway while playing a pan flute, maybe you shouldn't join his company.
Better that a team acts obnoxiously in a way they're comfortable with than act prim and proper in a way that exasperates them.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46493082]I'm guessing it's a lucky shirt sorta deal. When you're trying to hit a point the size of a needle by flinging a tin can through a ten year long loop de loop in deep space, you need all the luck you can get.[/QUOTE]
Indeed it is, was part birthday present, part good luck on the mission.
if you decided not to join an industry because you saw a guy with a shirt you were never going to join that industry in the first place. and probably no industry because you're a barely functioning human being who needs counselling
I still want to know why the shirt turns women into sex objects mikeyt493
If that ain't the chillest looking scientist I've ever seen... Truly feminism has won a great victory this day. They succeeded in seeding and nurturing a conflict where there was none. There was literally nothing to be seen here but a chill scientist in a swanky shirt a close friend of his made for him for his birthday. There was no misogyny ebbing and flowing from the guy. There was zero bad will or intent, only science and the task of putting a bunch of technowizardry on a space rock millions of miles out in the vast emptiness of space.
Why do this? Why spawn conflict? How was this conducive to anything?
[QUOTE=Steele92;46490820]Yeah right, never mind we're being told humanity just went backwards because a guy wore a shirt, disregard landing on a comet
[url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shirt-is-holding-back-progress[/url][/QUOTE]
those moderator comments
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[QUOTE=RautaPalli;46492442]I don't get this whole objectification thing when it comes to models. Are they not objectifying THEMSELVES? Why are they not allowed to do what they want with their own bodies?[/QUOTE]
the argument is that magazines will often embelish the models and photoshop them or airbrush them to remove imperfections, generally speaking the industry is starting to move away from that because they've found out through careful studies, that people sort of want to see imperfections in models, they want to see models that could be them, with more normal proportions
Hey guys just thought I'd point out that landing a fucking spacecraft on a comet is pretty fuckin stressful. The guy was wearing a shirt that quite obviously meant something to him (being a birthday gift). I don't really see a problem with an engineer for NASA wearing a tacky lucky shirt during one of the most stressful portions of his career.
Oh what the fuck is wrong with people. It's a motherfucking shirt. Who gives a fuck.
We should just make all women appearing in media wear some sort of clothing that makes them non sexual. I shall call it the burqa
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;46492342]no its because this shirt reduces them to sex objects (sensationalist phrasing but whatever), it's hardly a big offender of it but I'm just speaking plainly. I dont really think the shirt is a particularly big deal although it is trashy and looks like shit, I don't think the extent of the backlash is really fair but it's not without some justification. It's worth him being told off about. Idk anything about this dude so I have nothing to say about him, just commenting on the shirt.[/QUOTE]
Wow why do you view women as sex objects. Fucking sexists.
Dude started crying while apologizing for wearing a shirt
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mission-scientist-Dr-Matt-Taylor-cries-during-apology-over-offensive-shirt.html[/url]
I really hate the whole feminist movement nowadays, it's not going to get anything done, the extremist feminists will just beat this movement down to the ground till it has no credible footing left. And then we're left with crazy extremists shouting their morals at everyone like a snake with diarrhea
I feel so bad for him. He has helped achieve something wonderful for the human race, and this is how he is treated? It's just a fucking shirt.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;46492840]
What does it say to girls and women who see this guy in a high profile position in a historic event wearing a shirt like that? Does it say "Hey, get your education in science and get in on this kind of thing, we need you!"? No, it says "This is a boy's club, no girls need apply".
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How does it say that. Seriously. How does a shirt (with scantly clad cartoon women blah blah) being worn by a scientist say [b]anything[/b] more than "hey in this historical event we're pretty chill here".
What, does it send a message "hey gurls, I've got just enough on my shirt and don't need any more plz don't apply"?
I was about to make the argument that if I saw somebody wearing a shirt with a bunch of scantily clad dudes on it I wouldn't care at all but then I remembered I'm also into cock so the point isn't really applicable.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;46492840]Your comment and others like it miss the point of the complaints about the shirt. Of course this never was a concern and 'no one' was worse off for it. Back then certain groups, like women and minorities, were locked out and no one cared.
The difference is today, in today's world, we want people who were previously locked out to join in. What does it say to girls and women who see this guy in a high profile position in a historic event wearing a shirt like that? Does it say "Hey, get your education in science and get in on this kind of thing, we need you!"? No, it says "This is a boy's club, no girls need apply".
That shirt may be a hilarious thing to wear, at the right time and place and among the right people. I can't imagine how he thought it was appropriate for this. So I guess if a person believes anyone should be able to display whatever images he wants at work, yeah you could ask what the big deal is. I myself don't understand what's so hard about the concept of propriety that people can't grasp it.[/QUOTE]
Its a shirt, it doesn't send any negative message, except that maybe occasionally some guys like to show up to work in casual clothes. He's a head scientist, he knew what he was allowed to wear, which happened to be a shirt made and given to him by a woman. Take your feels out of the argument and come back with something that isn't stupid.
[QUOTE=mr apple;46494042]Dude started crying while apologizing for wearing a shirt[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, that has been discussed for like 9 pages now.
[QUOTE=kaukassus;46488960]Some people are offended by anything. Just looking in their general direction would probably offend them too.[/QUOTE]
Stop raping me with your male gaze
hahaha holy shit this thread is so embarrassing
god you people blow my mind sometimes
i guess the only good thing to come out of this thread is knowing who to never talk to on facepunch
[QUOTE=ZeFruitNazi;46494845]hahaha holy shit this thread is so embarrassing
god you people blow my mind sometimes[/QUOTE]
thanks for the contribution jackass
[QUOTE=mr apple;46494042]Dude started crying while apologizing for wearing a shirt
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mission-scientist-Dr-Matt-Taylor-cries-during-apology-over-offensive-shirt.html[/url]
I really hate the whole feminist movement nowadays, it's not going to get anything done, the extremist feminists will just beat this movement down to the ground till it has no credible footing left. And then we're left with crazy extremists shouting their morals at everyone like a snake with diarrhea[/QUOTE]
I just want to post this video, since it's sorta relevant:
[video=youtube;FXm49_B4oiM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXm49_B4oiM&list=UUcmnLu5cGUGeLy744WS-fsg[/video]
Here's something interesting I stumbled upon. It's not exactly defusing the mess, but it's an interesting response nonetheless.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/AGHI3j5.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;46495966]Here's something interesting I stumbled upon. It's not exactly defusing the mess, but it's an interesting response nonetheless.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/AGHI3j5.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I don't think there's a hospital on this planet capable of treating a burn that severe.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;46495966]Here's something interesting I stumbled upon. It's not exactly defusing the mess, but it's an interesting response nonetheless.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/AGHI3j5.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I emailed Chris Plante with some honest critique, and he actually responded. Send him an email if you think it was unacceptable - just writing about it on a forum won't do much (even though I suppose he might not have read my email through).
This whole situation was summarised for me when I showed this article to my girlfriend and she said "I don't know whether I should feel offended by this or not."
If you need to huddle together and decide whether somethings offensive or not, it's probably not.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Were not allowed to wear shirts anymore
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