[QUOTE=fulgrim;46504737]This.
Feel really sorry for this guy right now, first a bunch of lunatic keyboard warriors harass him over his wacky shirt, and now im seeing him celebrated on a bunch of dumb facebook pages as a sexist hero who battles feminism (and considering being accused of sexism really upset him, i doubt he wants to be new face of putting women in their place online).
Youd think everyone would just be excited about the scientific achievement here, but lol nope lets turn this guy's shirt into another excuse to break out the retarded boyz vs girlz shit again.[/QUOTE]
it's this mentality of polarization where people believe that anything done by the people they're politically opposed to is an act of malignancy rather an act of misinformation or accidentally getting-caught-up-in-the-heat-of-the-moment.
it's like where some republicans believe that democrats want to turn the united states into a socialist police state, and some democrats believe that republicans want to turn the united states into a corporatist theocracy.
in this case, regardless of whether or not the shirt is offensive, the guy obviously didn't mean to offend or hurt anyone; he probably just thought the shirt was cool, or funny, or comfortable. and the raging storm of twitter probably never intended to bring him to tears, they got all caught up in the intoxicating spell of self-righteousness and forgot that he was just a human being wearing a tacky shirt. they got a little too heated, and they shit in someone's cornflakes because of it.
we can't honestly expect an apology from the twitterites, though, because most people have too much pride to do that, myself included.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;46504737]This.
Feel really sorry for this guy right now, first a bunch of lunatic keyboard warriors harass him over his wacky shirt, and now im seeing him celebrated on a bunch of dumb facebook pages as a sexist hero who battles feminism (and considering being accused of sexism really upset him, i doubt he wants to be new face of putting women in their place online).
Youd think everyone would just be excited about the scientific achievement here, but lol nope lets turn this guy's shirt into another excuse to break out the retarded boyz vs girlz shit again.[/QUOTE]
First off, do you have any proof that he's this giant sexist?
Secondly, who is "putting women in their place"? I've seen nobody on here who thinks that "women should be put in their place", only that this stupid, small, vocal subset of feminists need to learn what sexism and misogyny really is or shut the hell up and stop harassing people for stupid overblown reasons.
Just because people are against this subset of keyboard warrior feminists doesn't mean they are against feminism or against women. People are getting tired of the bullshit the vocal minority spew and are pushing back, because guess what; that bullshit those keyboard warriors are pushing, is now gaining a foothold in the media.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46504804]First off, do you have any proof that he's this giant sexist?
Secondly, who is "putting women in their place"? I've seen nobody on here who thinks that "women should be put in their place", only that this stupid, small, vocal subset of feminists need to learn what sexism and misogyny really is or shut the hell up and stop harassing people for stupid overblown reasons.
Just because people are against this subset of keyboard warrior feminists doesn't mean they are against feminism or against women. People are getting tired of the bullshit the vocal minority spew and are pushing back, because guess what; that bullshit those keyboard warriors are pushing, is now gaining a foothold in the media.[/QUOTE]
Uh, you might want to go back and re-read what i posted mate, i don't think this guy, or his shirt , is sexist in the slightest. I clearly said i think he would really rather [b] not [/b] be regarded as a hero by anti feminist edgelords, especially after catching a shit-storm of abuse from the opposite side of the internet maniac spectrum.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;46504832]Uh, you might want to go back and re-read what i posted mate, i don't think this guy, or his shirt , is sexist in the slightest. I clearly said i think he would really rather [b] not [/b] be regarded as a hero by anti feminist edgelords.[/QUOTE]
I know what you said. You're saying that you don't think he would want to be associated with anti-feminists because YOU think anyone who is anti-feminist is sexist, and therefore he wouldn't want to be associated with sexist people. I hate to burst your bubble, but just because someone is anti-feminist doesn't make them sexist. I would think that he doesn't want to be associated with sex-negative keyboard warriors who are just as sexist as anti-feminists....
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46504804]First off, do you have any proof that he's this giant sexist?
Secondly, who is "putting women in their place"? I've seen nobody on here who thinks that "women should be put in their place", only that this stupid, small, vocal subset of feminists need to learn what sexism and misogyny really is or shut the hell up and stop harassing people for stupid overblown reasons.[/quote]
he was suggesting that other people were championing the guy as a crusader against feminism; he wasn't suggesting that the man actually was sexist.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46504804]Just because people are against this subset of keyboard warrior feminists doesn't mean they are against feminism or against women. People are getting tired of the bullshit the vocal minority spew and are pushing back, because guess what; that bullshit those keyboard warriors are pushing, is now gaining a foothold in the media.[/QUOTE]
the only reason that they get a foothold in the media is because the internet gets so mad at them.
people rightfully decry those "gamers are dead" articles, but the companies distributing the articles don't really care about what people thought of them, the anger and discussion that people brought forth about those articles generated tons of pageviews and ad revenue.
what you need to understand is that media companies primarily hire people like Patricia Hernandez not because they necessarily agree with her content but because the controversy around gender issues and feminism on the internet is so big that any article about it is guaranteed to get them a lot of exposure.
redo the interview topless
[QUOTE=joes33431;46504562]again, what separates this incident from any other form of internet harassment?
nobody cares if some teenager on the internet gets trolled and raided into a psychological breakdown, but a scientist cries over self-righteous pricks getting pissy about a shirt and people rush to his defense.
the reason is, again, the political element. this thread would be nowhere near 11 pages if the guy was picked on for something else that was completely unrelated, but because it was committed by ¡the SJWs! it needs an immense amount of attention.[/QUOTE]
nah i think this grabbed so much attention because he [I]helped land on a fucking comet[/I] and he's being undermined for a fucking shirt
[QUOTE=joes33431;46504895]he was suggesting that other people were championing the guy as a crusader against feminism; he wasn't suggesting that the man actually was sexist.
the only reason that they get a foothold in the media is because the internet gets so mad at them.
people rightfully decry those "gamers are dead" articles, but the companies distributing the articles don't really care about what people thought of them, the anger and discussion that people brought forth about those articles generated tons of pageviews and ad revenue.
what you need to understand is that media companies primarily hire people like Patricia Hernandez not because they necessarily agree with her content but because the controversy around gender issues and feminism on the internet is so big that any article about it is guaranteed to get them a lot of exposure.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen anyone champion him as a crusader against feminism. I see more people using him as a correct example as to why these keyboard warrior type of activists are toxic to humanity, that their blindness overshadowed a very large accomplishment.
Also, I'm not sure that's the sole reason for hiring people like Patricia Hernandez. I've seen people on gawker sites get banned because they went against the flow on subjects like feminism. It's not a "we want clickbait articles" situation, it's a "this is how it's going to be and this is our echo chamber to educate you".
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46504885]I know what you said. You're saying that you don't think he would want to be associated with anti-feminists because YOU think anyone who is anti-feminist is sexist, and therefore he wouldn't want to be associated with sexist people. I hate to burst your bubble, but just because someone is anti-feminist doesn't make them sexist. I would think that he doesn't want to be associated with sex-negative keyboard warriors who are just as sexist as anti-feminists....[/QUOTE]
No what im trying to say is i doubt he wants to be associated with [b] the entire stupid debate, at all [/b], and would rather everyone focused on his work. Im glad you have such an amazing insight into what i think about sexism an' all, but im really not looking to get into a debate about my views on feminism right now, least of all on the internet.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46504939]
Also, I'm not sure that's the sole reason for hiring people like Patricia Hernandez. I've seen people on gawker sites get banned because they went against the flow on subjects like feminism. It's not a "we want clickbait articles" situation, it's a "this is how it's going to be and this is our echo chamber to educate you".[/QUOTE]
Pfffft you think Gawker media believes what they preach? They're fucking hypocrites, one hand denounces people jerking it off to celebrity nudes, the other hand openly offers payment for male celebrity's sex tapes.
They're not political, they're in it for clicks. If there was any other topic that could spawn a controversy and generate loyal audience quite as reliably as social-kinda-justice-sorta-related stuff, Gawker would be all over that shit in no time.
[QUOTE=joes33431;46504895]
the only reason that they get a foothold in the media is because the internet gets so mad at them.
people rightfully decry those "gamers are dead" articles, but the companies distributing the articles don't really care about what people thought of them, the anger and discussion that people brought forth about those articles generated tons of pageviews and ad revenue.
what you need to understand is that media companies primarily hire people like Patricia Hernandez not because they necessarily agree with her content but because the controversy around gender issues and feminism on the internet is so big that any article about it is guaranteed to get them a lot of exposure.[/QUOTE]
We honestly should get mad at them when they decry bullying, and then bully people. They want to end harrasement by harrassing the harrassers who most likely only started to harrass because they were harrassed.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46502802]False. The uproar wasn't about it being unprofessional. The uproar was about it being sexist and misogynistic, so it's not irrelevant. In fact, it's the very reason for the harassment he received.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I thought the uproar was over the shirt showing how ingrained sexism* is in science, that a high profile man such as that in a time and place of historic proportions would not think twice about wearing it even as efforts are being made to get more women in STEM fields.
*defined here as not giving a shit what anyone other than your sex(male) cares about.
In my view that's the key element, it's not that he did anything willfully malicious, it's that not only did he not think it was wrong, but apparently no one else there took a look at that shirt and said "You're not really wearing THAT today of all days are you?". It's so pervasive that large numbers of people can't even conceive of there being a problem with it.
[QUOTE=kaukassus;46488960]Some people are offended by anything. Just looking in their general direction would probably offend them too.[/QUOTE]
Honestly? After seeing the state of people that have genuine complaints about this, I'd be offended, personally, and I'd be complaining. I mean, god [I]DAMN[/I] [I][B][U]some[/U][/B][/I] of those girls are [I]ugly[/I].
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Watch now as white knights flee to save their damsel in distress.
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no one wants her, lads, take her lol
"I can't stand these ugly skanks whinging about that guy's appearance"
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;46506525]"I can't stand these ugly skanks whinging about that guy's appearance"[/QUOTE]
No, I can't. The fact that they're complaining about a god damned shirt is appalling. He is a smart man, and the fact he was reduced to tears and was made to feel guilty about something that was a non problem in the first place is absolutely disgusting.
The people who did this to him [I]should[/I] feel ashamed, but they can't, and they won't, because harassing a man into doing what they want seems to be a common occurrence in today's society, so much, in fact that it's often overlooked, but if a man complained about a women wearing a mans muscular body shirt in the same style, hey double standards don't exist, free pass.
There was a thing called equality, bu for the most part, we've forgotten what it was.
Sure, my post was biased, but you have to understand as a [I]man[/I] this type of stuff affects me. As someone who enjoys the work of science, it's ridiculous. This was an important mission to us as a whole, and we make the person behind a lot of it cry on TV, openly.
Disgusting if you agree with this, whether you're a women or man, misandrist or misogynist, gay, lesbian or straight.
It's a god damn shirt, no one [I]should give a rat's ass.[/I]
Nobody with any level of intelligence who actually does productive things with themselves actually cares about his shirt.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;46505952]I agree, I thought the uproar was over the shirt showing how ingrained sexism* is in science, that a high profile man such as that in a time and place of historic proportions would not think twice about wearing it even as efforts are being made to get more women in STEM fields.
*defined here as not giving a shit what anyone other than your sex(male) cares about.
In my view that's the key element, it's not that he did anything willfully malicious, it's that not only did he not think it was wrong, but apparently no one else there took a look at that shirt and said "You're not really wearing THAT today of all days are you?". It's so pervasive that large numbers of people can't even conceive of there being a problem with it.[/QUOTE]
Please explain how that shirt is either A) Sexist, or B) proof of sexism. Last time I checked, women being sexualized isn't inherently sexist, in the same way that men being sexualized isn't inherently sexist.
In my view, it's not that people criticized his clothing. That's not the issue. It's that people are actively shaming him for wearing it. Constructive criticism is always great, but people have to take it farther and actually shame him for it just takes it way too far. I find it no different than the very fat shaming and slut shaming they find so horrible.
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