[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;46490045]Being a homosexual man is, yes. Just look at the "gay sexism" tag on Tumblr. Gay men embody the patriarchy because they hate women so much they'd rather fuck their own gender, apparently.[/QUOTE]
I just did that and literally no one there is saying anything like that, in fact it's full of people saying that being gay is perfectly fine. Have you actually done any research that confirms what you're saying, or did you just see that cherry picked (and in all likelihood fake) "GAYS ARE GENDER TRAITORS" example someone posted earlier and immediately assume that represented a majority of feminists?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490137]The media has been talking about the landing constantly. The shirt either gets a passing mention or a separate article, relax.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's not like this a major problem, it's just discomforting knowing that some pretty big sites don't have the decency to not hang out random people in the media for clickbait.
If [del]women[/del] SJW's dont feel welcome in the science community because of a shirt, the problem is probably more with them rather than the guy wearing the shirt. It's all in their head. I bet he's great guy with a strange fashion sense.
Can't we just define SJWism as a mental disease already?
They gotta be some flavor of insane to flip their shit over a fucking shirt.
Its not even like it says "I hate all women" or anything like that, it actually [B]celebrates[/B] women.
Wearing a t-shit with half-naked women isn't misogyny, just poor taste. This is misogyny:
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3877425/temp/womenclamorforhisd.png[/img]
[QUOTE=doommarine23;46490153]Here, I have no ill with you but I'll make this blunt.
I think real stupidity is not only questioning the intelligence and capability of someone else, but putting it in the most toxic insulting way.
"I have to question why someone so clearly stupid is operating spacecraft".
Your words, not mine. He made a mistake and that's that. People insulting and fighting and making a big stink over a grown man wearing a stupid T-shirt is what is stupid here.[/QUOTE]
With all this talk about how the guy is being bullied would you rather I just mock him on Facepunch or, say, take what I actually think to his employer and the media?
A weekend of people laughing at him for a dumb fuckup is pretty fair considering how if a politician wore this he'd never be able to work in politics again. Same thing with lawyers, you can actually be disbarred for unprofessionalism.
Making a scientist cry over a shirt is a disservice to his achievements in life and to humanity as a whole.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490128]The shirt doesn't overshadow his accomplishments and [B]his accomplishments don't overshadow his shirt[/B].[/QUOTE]
are you [I]seriously fucking suggesting[/I] that this guys tasteless choice in shirts is even on the same kind of level of relevance at his scientific accomplishments?
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46490229]are you [I]seriously fucking suggesting[/I] that this guys tasteless choice in shirts is even on the same kind of level of relevance at his scientific accomplishments?[/QUOTE]
No, and that's exactly why I said the two don't affect one another. But read my posts however you want, you will anyway.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490216]With all this talk about how the guy is being bullied would you rather I just mock him on Facepunch or, say, take what I actually think to his employer and the media?
A weekend of people laughing at him for a dumb fuckup is pretty fair considering how if a politician wore this he'd never be able to work in politics again.[/QUOTE]
As noted in a few posts back, the fracas over the shirt is the top result on Google about this whole project. The event - the fact that we landed on a friggin' [i]comet[/i] - is going to go down in the history books as a milestone in space exploration, and the most visible topic about when it actually happened is going to be idiots getting enraged over some guy's shirt.
How can that not make you utterly [b]furious?[/b] These people are drowning out the noise of [i]history as it happens[/i] so they can get their fifteen minutes of fame over something stupid, because it's the latest [i]trendy thing to do.[/i] This is crossing the line. This is when these bastards can't hide behind the excuse of good intentions anymore.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490216]With all this talk about how the guy is being bullied would you rather I just mock him on Facepunch or, say, [B]take what I actually think to his employer and the media?[/B]
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what do you actually think?
do you actually think that he should lose qualifications or be fired from the ESA for wearing that shirt?
if people can't learn to fucking get over themselves then we as a species don't deserve to explore space, to possibly populate other planets.
this is fucking ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490216]With all this talk about how the guy is being bullied would you rather I just mock him on Facepunch or, say, take what I actually think to his employer and the media?
A weekend of people laughing at him for a dumb fuckup is pretty fair considering how if a politician wore this he'd never be able to work in politics again.[/QUOTE]
No, my point is that I don't think the mindset you and other people have is right.
I think its horrendous that people have assumed from a first look basis who this man is, what his beliefs are, and what he does, that they have taken over this beautiful scientific success and turned into something nasty, that they have abused a grown man to the point of crying.
I think its horrendous that people like you think its good, think its acceptable, think its "fair" that another human being should be insulted, degraded, to the point of tears, and in effect, justifying how society works on a judgmental first looks basis and that their actions of harassment and abuse were justified.
I don't care what garbage you or anyone else spews, its garbage. You want to take it up with his employer and the media like everyone else, all because of a stupid T-Shirt? Go ahead.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490216]With all this talk about how the guy is being bullied would you rather I just mock him on Facepunch or, say, take what I actually think to his employer and the media?
A weekend of people laughing at him for a dumb fuckup is pretty fair considering how if a politician wore this he'd never be able to work in politics again. Same thing with lawyers, you can actually be disbarred for unprofessionalism.[/QUOTE]
trying to justify bullying a man enough to make him cry because he wore an ugly shirt on an interview he probably wasn't even expecting
nice
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46490248]
do you actually think that he should lose qualifications or be fired from the ESA for wearing that shirt?[/QUOTE]
That's also the exact opposite of what I've posted so far. Are you reading my posts in a mirror or something?
[editline]14th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490265]trying to justify bullying a man enough to make him cry because he wore an ugly shirt on an interview he probably wasn't even expecting
nice[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's terrible that someone should be made to feel uncomfortable at work by the actions of another
[editline]14th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=doommarine23;46490261]No, my point is that I don't think the mindset you and other people have is right.
I think its horrendous that people have assumed from a first look basis who this man is, what his beliefs are, and what he does, that they have taken over this beautiful scientific success and turned into something nasty, that they have abused a grown man to the point of crying.[/quote]
His beliefs don't matter and I don't think very many people at all are commenting or speculating on his beliefs. The controversy stems from his actions.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490266]Yeah it's terrible that someone should be made to feel uncomfortable at work by the actions of another[/QUOTE]
you don't speak for any of the women working with him, so don't even try attempting using it as an argument
[QUOTE=ragin cajun;46490155]what isn't sexist now a days[/QUOTE]
A gay transsexual. It's the only way to be normal now.
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46490083]Considering the guy ended up being asked by a news source like the BBC to deliver an apology, yes, it's reasonable to assume that that's actually how mad they are.[/QUOTE]
That's on the BBC then (news sites are always looking to stir shit up to get views by the way), not feminists
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46490229]are you [I]seriously fucking suggesting[/I] that this guys tasteless choice in shirts is even on the same kind of level of relevance at his scientific accomplishments?[/QUOTE]
No, that's not at all what he's saying. Just because he's done some really incredible thing (because seriously, that's freaking awesome) doesn't mean that he can't be criticized. We can admire people like Thomas Jefferson for some of the great things he did during his lifetime, but we can still recognize that he was a terrible person when it came to slavery and racism. Now, obviously this shirt thing is nowhere near as bad as the stuff Jefferson did, but it still shows that you can support someone and recognize their achievements while still being aware of some of their shortcomings.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490216]
A weekend of people laughing at him for a dumb fuckup is pretty fair considering how if a politician wore this he'd never be able to work in politics again. Same thing with lawyers, you can actually be disbarred for unprofessionalism.[/QUOTE]
Except there's evidently no professional code in regards to clothing in that guys' profession, judging by how [b]no one had any problem with it[/b] until people whose own professional ethics are only rivaled by paparazzi took an issue.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;46490301]A gay transsexual. It's the only way to be normal now.[/QUOTE]
are you really this irked enough to force unfunny and weird jokes into any thread that's related about sexism. what does this have to do with the thread at [B]all[/B]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490290]you don't speak for any of the women working with him, so don't even try attempting using it as an argument[/QUOTE]
The women who work with him are not the only ones allowed to express their opinion. Anyone can comment on how they'd feel [b]if[/b] they worked with him.
I'm not even a woman and even I wouldn't feel comfortable around someone like that, assuming this wasn't just a one-off lapse in judgement (it very well may have been). It's awkward and creepy.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490327]The women who work with him are not the only ones allowed to express their opinion. Anyone can comment on how they'd feel [b]if[/b] they worked with him.[/QUOTE]
What if he's a really great guy, you can't tell everything about someone because of what clothes they wear.
[sp]unless its swastikas and stuff ofc[/sp]
Yeah but today opinions are being labeled as fact and cherry-picked by the media
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490321]That's on the BBC then (news sites are always looking to stir shit up to get views by the way), not feminists[/QUOTE]
I wasn't saying it was feminists. I didn't say that anywhere.
But obviously there were people making a big enough fuss over it that BBC looked at it and saw it was news worthy. The fact it was a trending topic on twitter lead to it.
I'm not blaming a group. I'm blaming the people that made a big enough deal about this for someone else to think it was a big enough deal to make an article about
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490327]The women who work with him are not the only ones allowed to express their opinion. Anyone can comment on how they'd feel [b]if[/b] they worked with him.[/QUOTE]
are you a woman?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46489983]I haven't followed any of that drama at all and have no idea what any of that means, and whatever drama/complaints come out of video game communities (which, let's be honest, already have a stellar reputation of making massive mountains out of tiny molehills anyway, see EA winning that Worst Company of the Year award 2 years straight over various actually manipulative banks and cable companies) has absolutely no bearing on this whatsoever.
And where did you get the idea that feminists don't think gay and lesbian people don't exist? That literally goes against major feminist ideals that focus on personal empowerment and choice. Does it mean that all feminists are awesome and accepting people? No, but it's absolutely ridiculous to generalize that feminists as a whole don't believe in gay people
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I honestly doubt they specifically set out to make him cry when they pointed out his shirt was somewhat unprofessional[/QUOTE]
Have you never noticed how whenever they see something they think is too sexual, they quickly forget that LGBT people exist so they can call the opposition straight neckbeards?
[QUOTE]I'm not even a woman and even I wouldn't feel comfortable around someone like that, assuming this wasn't just a one-off lapse in judgement (it very well may have been). It's awkward and creepy.[/QUOTE]
so you're just some judgmental prick then
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490345]are you a woman?[/QUOTE]
How'd you manage to cut off the half of the post where I answered that?
Was expecting a legitimately offensive motif on his shirt.
Not sure how the shirt is sexist, like its pretty wacky and silly, so i dont see why the fuck you would wear it to an interview unless you made some kind of badly thought out bet with someone- but its not sexist people should leave the dude alone.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490327]The women who work with him are not the only ones allowed to express their opinion. Anyone can comment on how they'd feel [b]if[/b] they worked with him.
I'm not even a woman and even I wouldn't feel comfortable around someone like that, assuming this wasn't just a one-off lapse in judgement (it very well may have been). It's awkward and creepy.[/QUOTE]
I hate to make this sound like a dig at you and who you are, because I really don't know you but I can certainly say this.
I totally understand why you think this would be awkward and creepy, really, I do. We judge by the environment we're in, that is natural.
But don't you think the really awkward and creepy thing is insulting a scientist and doubting his intelligence on an internet forum, and then justifying the abuse given to him, all because of a shirt he wore?
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