[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490358]so you're just some judgmental prick then[/QUOTE]
What if it was a My Little Pony shirt?
I'm guessing most of FP would find that creepy and not want to have to spend time with a full grown adult who went to work in a MLP shirt.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490359]How'd you manage to cut off the half of the post where I answered that?[/QUOTE]
You seem to edit your post as you write it, because your posts keep getting bigger.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;46490245]As noted in a few posts back, the fracas over the shirt is the top result on Google about this whole project. The event - the fact that we landed on a friggin' [i]comet[/i] - is going to go down in the history books as a milestone in space exploration, and the most visible topic about when it actually happened is going to be idiots getting enraged over some guy's shirt.
How can that not make you utterly [b]furious?[/b] These people are drowning out the noise of [i]history as it happens[/i] so they can get their fifteen minutes of fame over something stupid, because it's the latest [i]trendy thing to do.[/i] This is crossing the line. This is when these bastards can't hide behind the excuse of good intentions anymore.[/QUOTE]
No one will care about this shirt thing in a few days, you can bet his image will still be untarnished after this is all over with.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490290]you don't speak for any of the women working with him, so don't even try attempting using it as an argument[/QUOTE]
No one said anything about the women who actually worked with him, for all we know he could be a really great guy to work with and just happened to wear that shirt without really thinking about it. The point is, some people who saw it online recognized that they personally thought it was a bit unprofessional, and spoke up that they wouldn't want to have to put up with that, which is perfectly reasonable.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490368]What if it was a My Little Pony shirt?
I'm guessing most of FP would find that creepy and not want to have to spend time with a full grown adult who went to work in a MLP shirt.[/QUOTE]
lots of assumptions and what ifs, but no facts or events that actually happened here
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490103]There's judging someone based on appearance, and then there's judging someone based on what they made an active choice to wear.
It doesn't even matter if the shirt is actually sexist or not, it's fucking embarrassing and I have to question why someone so clearly stupid is operating spacecraft. I'd be saying the same thing if he was wearing a shirt for some stupid grindcore band or whatever - if you're going to be on international television you don't wear something that you know is going to alienate people.[/QUOTE]
You seem to imply that his choice of shirt makes him stupid. Show me the study that illustrates fashion sense and its link to intelligence and performance in academic settings, please.
I never understood this kind of thing, feminists go off about how they have the right to dress "sexy" (Which it is of course) with outfits worse than on the dude's shirt
then a guy wears a shirt with cartoon women on them and he's a sexist? Whats next, if you put a poster of a scantily clad woman on your wall does that make you a sexist?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490377]No one said anything about the women who actually worked with him, for all we know he could be a really great guy to work with and just happened to wear that shirt without really thinking about it. The point is, some people who saw it online recognized that they personally thought it was a bit unprofessional, and spoke up that they wouldn't want to have to put up with that, which is perfectly reasonable.[/QUOTE]
Bullying and making someone cry isn't reasonable, sorry
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490368]What if it was a My Little Pony shirt?
I'm guessing most of FP would find that creepy and not want to have to spend time with a full grown adult who went to work in a MLP shirt.[/QUOTE]
He helped get a lander on a friggin' [i]comet.[/i] I wouldn't give a damn even if he was wearing a Barbie shirt.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490345]are you a woman?[/QUOTE]
No, but many of the people who posted this on twitter were, we're just offering another point of view (I know you weren't referring to me, but still)
[QUOTE=Crimor;46490351]Have you never noticed how whenever they see something they think is too sexual, they quickly forget that LGBT people exist so they can call the opposition straight neckbeards?[/QUOTE]
What? Being a neckbeard has nothing to do with sexuality, and someone pulling out ad-hominems in an argument should only discredit them, not what they argue for
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490396]Bullying and making someone cry isn't reasonable, sorry[/QUOTE]
I agree, but it's not like they set out to make him cry
[QUOTE=flamehead5;46490390]I never understood this kind of thing, feminists go off about how they have the right to dress "sexy" (Which it is of course) with outfits worse than on the dude's shirt
then a guy wears a shirt with cartoon women on them and he's a sexist? Whats next, if you put a poster of a scantily clad woman on your wall does that make you a sexist?[/QUOTE]
If you put it on your wall in an office environment, yes. There's a time and a place for everything, women should have the right to dress "sexy", but they wouldn't wear that at the office like you seem to think they would
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490368]What if it was a My Little Pony shirt?
I'm guessing most of FP would find that creepy and not want to have to spend time with a full grown adult who went to work in a MLP shirt.[/QUOTE]
That's really really out of context though, the MLP fandom is disliked for very very specific reasons related to the fandom and the pseudo-beastiality that some fans jerk off too.
This guys shirt is literally of cartoon, women. Is he creepy for finding women attractive?
[QUOTE=flamehead5;46490390]
then a guy wears a shirt with cartoon women on them and he's a sexist? Whats next, if you put a poster of a scantily clad woman on your wall does that make you a sexist?[/QUOTE]
Yes, you're objectifying women by only viewing a woman in your poster as an object to eyeball every once in a while, not as a living human being with their own desires and aspirations, you sexist pig.
Or in short, no it doesn't. As that shirt does nothing of the sort.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;46490367]I hate to make this sound like a dig at you and who you are, because I really don't know you but I can certainly say this.
I totally understand why you think this would be awkward and creepy, really, I do. We judge by the environment we're in, that is natural.
But don't you think the really awkward and creepy thing is insulting a scientist and doubting his intelligence on an internet forum, and then justifying the abuse given to him, all because of a shirt he wore?[/QUOTE]
I don't think I justified the abuse. Anyone who contacted him who wasn't a legitimate journalist or his employers/coworkers crossed a line. I'd be completely fine if he wore that shirt outside of work. If I saw someone walking down the street with it I wouldn't think twice.
Just like there's a difference between wearing that to work on a day that attracts the attention of international media and wearing it while you mow the lawn, there's a difference between calling a guy stupid on facepunch and calling him stupid on his twitter/email/etc
this is comparable to wearing potentially offensive tattoos and refusing to cover them while you're working, but there's no excuse for riding on the issue as an reason to insult him
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490410]
I agree, but it's not like they set out to make him cry[/QUOTE]
No, not everyone that talked about it did.
Enough people did though to make it successfully happen though, and that's the problem.
[QUOTE=flamehead5;46490417]That's really really out of context though, the MLP fandom is disliked for very very specific reasons related to the fandom and the pseudo-beastiality that some fans jerk off too.
This guys shirt is literally of cartoon, women. Is he creepy for finding women attractive?[/QUOTE]
Let's be honest, if we're looking at subcultures as a whole the people who find cartoon women attractive enough to wear a shirt of them are basically the same as adults that like MLP so much they'd wear a shirt of it.
What's wrong with a workplace that allows casual wear?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46490432]this is comparable to wearing potentially offensive tattoos and refusing to cover them while you're working, but there's no excuse for riding on the issue as an reason to insult him[/QUOTE]
As far as I'm concerned he apologized so no more action needs to be taken. But people suggesting that he shouldn't have had to even apologize in the first place are messed up, that's simply not how the professional world works.
[editline]14th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490444]What's wrong with a workplace that allows casual wear?[/QUOTE]
I've never been in a casual workplace that was okay with sexually explicit clothing, I don't think you have either. The problem isn't the fact that he wore a casual shirt, it's what's printed on it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490450]As far as I'm concerned he apologized so no more action needs to be taken. But people suggesting that he shouldn't have had to even apologize in the first place are messed up, that's simply not how the professional world works.[/QUOTE]
In the professional world, you apologize anyway, even if you know they're wrong and you're right. That's just the way the world is.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490450]As far as I'm concerned he apologized so no more action needs to be taken. But people suggesting that he shouldn't have had to even apologize in the first place are messed up, that's simply not how the professional world works.
I've never been in a casual workplace that was okay with sexually explicit clothing[/QUOTE]
You're messed up if you think the "professional world" needs to be that strict that this shirt is fucking scandal worthy
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490457]You're messed up if you think the "professional world" needs to be take strict that this shirt is fucking scandal worthy[/QUOTE]
Don't think he said that.
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46490433]No, not everyone that talked about it did.
Enough people did though to make it successfully happen though, and that's the problem.[/QUOTE]
Well that's on him then, obviously I can't imagine how much stress he's under with launching the mission and the media breathing down his neck, but if he just said "oh shit right, sorry about the shirt" then this whole thing would have died down.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490368]What if it was a My Little Pony shirt?
I'm guessing most of FP would find that creepy and not want to have to spend time with a full grown adult who went to work in a MLP shirt.[/QUOTE]
I personally wouldn't have a problem because I'm pretty laid back?
Also you gotta look at this in context: the man was given this shirt on his birthday and probably views it as some kind of lucky shirt or something, and wasn't expecting to be interviewed.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490450]
I've never been in a casual workplace that was okay with sexually explicit clothing, I don't think you have either. The problem isn't the fact that he wore a casual shirt, it's what's printed on it.[/QUOTE]
If there was a problem, he would probably have been alerted from his higher-ups regarding his shirt.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490410]No, but many of the people who posted this on twitter were, we're just offering another point of view (I know you weren't referring to me, but still)
What? Being a neckbeard has nothing to do with sexuality, and someone [B]pulling out ad-hominems in an argument should only discredit them[/B], not what they argue for
[/QUOTE]
Say that to the majority of the feminist "celebs" lately.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490410]I agree, but it's not like they set out to make him cry[/QUOTE]
People like this have literally thrown death threats at people for having an opinion lately, legit ones too, like sending syringes/knives to people, proving they know their home address, etc.
I swear fuck all these over sensitive people
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490457]You're messed up if you think the "professional world" needs to be that strict that this shirt is fucking scandal worthy[/QUOTE]
Workplaces generally have policies against shit like this for the sole purpose of preventing a scandal. This way, it's the fault of the person who wore the shirt instead of some kind of systemic issue. That's why they had him apologize.
I absolutely cannot believe anybody would even remotely attempt to argue against that man.
It's a shirt. An article of clothing. He is absolutely not affecting anybody in any way at all whatsoever unless said person has mental issues. The shirt doesn't even have anything that would directly target somebody who is looking at it. It's a shirt with women on it.
The absolute most anybody could argue is that it's a goofy and tacky shirt to wear for something like that, but how is that your business? Why would anybody care? Do people actually believe a sane human being in his workplace would see him wearing a tacky shirt and feel offended and violated?
If a female in that workplace had a goofy shirt with male bodybuilders on it, would that somehow be offensive at all?
The fact that people are even debating this is just stupid.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490460]Well that's on him then, obviously I can't imagine how much stress he's under with launching the mission and the media breathing down his neck, but if he just said "oh shit right, sorry about the shirt" then this whole thing would have died down.[/QUOTE]
he shouldn't have to apologize, its a fucking T-shirt. sjws are acting like he personally stomped on women's rights.
I just find it amusing how, at least at this point in time if you look up this event, this guy's shirt is more important than [I]landing an object on a fucking comet.[/I] I'm glad that our fucking priorities are in order.
[QUOTE=Crimor;46490468]
People like this have literally thrown death threats at people for having an opinion lately, legit ones too, like sending syringes/knives to people, proving they know their home address, etc.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/13/woman-slams-sexist-shirt-twitter-douchebags-tell-her-to-kill-herself-worst-offender-a-contributor-to-a-voice-for-men/]Here's a collection of people who support him telling a feminist to kill herself.[/url]
It's a two-way street.
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