[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490103] I have to question why someone so clearly stupid is operating spacecraft.[/QUOTE]
Do you want the president of Armani to be piloting a spacecraft?
That is pretty fucking dumb.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490460]Well that's on him then, obviously I can't imagine how much stress he's under with launching the mission and the media breathing down his neck, but if he just said "oh shit right, sorry about the shirt" then this whole thing would have died down.[/QUOTE]
Did you miss the whole part where he DID apologize?
You even just affirmed why he would have probably cried about it. Stressed as hell about a giant space mission and you get a tirade of people calling you sexist and misogynist over a t-shirt, and you have big news companies even talking about it.
How is this at all on him when he did what he was supposed to?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490479]Workplaces generally have policies against shit like this for the sole purpose of preventing a scandal. This way, it's the fault of the person who wore the shirt instead of some kind of systemic issue. That's why they had him apologize.[/QUOTE]
Well, this company doesn't and who made him apologize, pretty sure he chose by himself to do so in tears because he's been harassed over it.
This even doesn't need debate, nothing is wrong here, only the people that attacked him for it are wrong.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46490492]I just find it amusing how, at least at this point in time if you look up this event, this guy's shirt is more important than [I]landing an object on a fucking comet.[/I] I'm glad that our fucking priorities are in order.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure why but when I search "rosetta lander" or "philae lander" there's nothing pertaining to the shirt whatsoever on the first page of google.
Guy's a real champ, didn't need this. Regardless of poor taste in clothing.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490512]I'm not sure why but when I search "rosetta lander" or "philae lander" there's nothing pertaining to the shirt whatsoever on the first page of google.[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that Google tailors results to people based on history, etc.
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And yes, I realize that I dropped the fallacy of relative privation.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490103]There's judging someone based on appearance, and then there's judging someone based on what they made an active choice to wear.
It doesn't even matter if the shirt is actually sexist or not, it's fucking embarrassing and I have to question why someone so clearly stupid is operating spacecraft. I'd be saying the same thing if he was wearing a shirt for some stupid grindcore band or whatever - if you're going to be on international television you don't wear something that you know is going to alienate people.[/QUOTE]
Get over yourself
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46490519]My understanding is that Google tailors results to people based on history, etc.
[editline]14th November 2014[/editline]
And yes, I realize that I dropped the fallacy of relative privation.[/QUOTE]
Which is weird because as a rabid SJW feminist hell-bent on castrating all men you'd expect google to just link me to the scum manifesto regardless of what I type in.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490450][B]As far as I'm concerned he apologized so no more action needs to be taken.[/B] But people suggesting that he shouldn't have had to even apologize in the first place are messed up, that's simply not how the professional world works.[/QUOTE]
There's something really annoying about the way that you've phrased this, like if he hadn't apologised it would be a justification for further harassment.
The shirt does send the wrong message. Nothing terrible, but someone along the chain should've pointed it out. It's good he apologized for it, and that should be the end of it, he had no ill intent.
Problem is that these things turn into a shouting match between people who are grossly offended, and people who think there is no problem whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490534]Which is weird because as a rabid SJW feminist hell-bent on castrating all men you'd expect google to just link me to the scum manifesto regardless of what I type in.[/QUOTE]
self depreciation is funny
This ticks me off. The shirt isn't appropriate for a professional setting, but men and women should be free to wear shirts with scantily clad women [I]or[/I] men on them without being lambasted by the world as morally reprehensible sexists. Why is appreciation of sex and human bodies so fucking demonized these days?
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46490507]Did you miss the whole part where he DID apologize?
You even just affirmed why he would have probably cried about it. Stressed as hell about a giant space mission and you get a tirade of people calling you sexist and misogynist over a t-shirt, and you have big news companies even talking about it.
How is this at all on him when he did what he was supposed to?[/QUOTE]
I know he apologized and I admire him for that, that's all anyone wanted in this whole ordeal. He didn't have to break down though, I really doubt people were as upset at him as he thinks they were, the stress probably made it seem like a much bigger deal than it really was. All he had to do to was say "alright I understand why some people were upset, I didn't realize that and it's all good now" and be done with it. Of course I can't really blame him for breaking down with all the shit he was dealing with, but whatever
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[QUOTE=Clavus;46490573]The shirt does send the wrong message. Nothing terrible, but someone along the chain should've pointed it out. It's good he apologized for it, and that should be the end of it, he had no ill intent.
Problem is that these things turn into a shouting match between people who are grossly offended, and people who think there is no problem whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly how I feel about the issue, it didn't have to be such a big deal
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490584]I know he apologized and I admire him for that, that's all anyone wanted in this whole ordeal. He didn't have to break down though, I really doubt people were as upset at him as he thinks they were, the stress probably made it seem like a much bigger deal than it really was. All he had to do to was say "alright I understand why some people were upset, I didn't realize that and it's all good now" and be done with it. Of course I can't really blame him for breaking down with all the shit he was dealing with, but whatever
[editline]14th November 2014[/editline]
That's exactly how I feel about the issue, it didn't have to be such a big deal[/QUOTE]
Yeah. That's what I've been saying and what a lot of people have been saying.
He shouldn't have gotten harrassed about it to the point that he cried over it. There shouldn't be news articles about this, and yet it happened.
That's the whole problem.
That's what I'm outraged at, at least.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46490575]self depreciation is funny[/QUOTE]
The dichotomy of Facepunch's unwavering concern for this guy's feelings alongside their unwavering dismissal of the feelings of the people who complained makes it hard to take this thread seriously.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490493][url=http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/13/woman-slams-sexist-shirt-twitter-douchebags-tell-her-to-kill-herself-worst-offender-a-contributor-to-a-voice-for-men/]Here's a collection of people who support him telling a feminist to kill herself.[/url]
It's a two-way street.[/QUOTE]
I never said it wasn't? But one side is barely, if at all reported on, while the other one gets reported on even before it's made sure the person isn't just making shit up.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;46490566]There's something really annoying about the way that you've phrased this, like if he hadn't apologised it would be a justification for further harassment.[/QUOTE]
Harassment isn't action, I was referring to disciplinary action on the part of the ESA.
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[QUOTE=Crimor;46490613]I never said it wasn't? But one side is barely, if at all reported on, while the other one gets reported on even before it's made sure the person isn't just making shit up.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is really reporting on either, I had to link you to a blog after all. Death threats on the internet rarely get talked about outside of the internet unless they involve someone really high profile.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490612]The dichotomy of Facepunch's unwavering concern for this guy's feelings alongside their unwavering dismissal of the feelings of the people who complained makes it hard to take this thread seriously.[/QUOTE]
Well there's a solution to that instead of posting 5 posts a minute.
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46490604]Yeah. That's what I've been saying and what a lot of people have been saying.
He shouldn't have gotten harrassed about it to the point that he cried over it. There shouldn't be news articles about this, and yet it happened.
That's the whole problem.[/QUOTE]
I wouldnt say it was the people on Twitter's fault for his strong reaction, more of just a buildup of stuff that pushed him over the edge, but otherwise I fully agree
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490612]The dichotomy of Facepunch's unwavering concern for this guy's feelings alongside their unwavering dismissal of the feelings of the people who complained makes it hard to take this thread seriously.[/QUOTE]
You're right.
I formally apologize to all the people that were grievously offended by a t-shirt worn by a guy that was landing a spacecraft on a comet. I am offering to pay for the therapy that you will need to get through this hardship.
By the way, fuck the guy that was being hounded by a group.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490612]The dichotomy of Facepunch's unwavering concern for this guy's feelings alongside their unwavering dismissal of the feelings of the people who complained makes it hard to take this thread seriously.[/QUOTE]
Who are the people who complained exactly?
And the one person that the OP shows already said she accepted the apologizes and told everyone to move on.
It's hard to take you seriously when you try to justify bullying over a fucking shirt.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490612]The dichotomy of Facepunch's unwavering concern for this guy's feelings alongside their unwavering dismissal of the feelings of the people who complained makes it hard to take this thread seriously.[/QUOTE]
zeke you're evolving into ironman are you alright
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;46490625]Well there's a solution to that instead of posting 5 posts a minute.[/QUOTE]
I either respond to everyone who quotes me or I get accused of cherrypicking my replies. If someone says something to me I'm going to try and respond, if you want me to stop posting stop quoting me.
[QUOTE=Thlis;46490628]You're right.
I formally apologize to all the people that were grievously offended by a t-shirt worn by a guy that was landing a spacecraft on a comet. I am offering to pay for the therapy that you will need to get through this hardship.
By the way, fuck the guy that was being hounded by a group.[/QUOTE]
No one was grievously offended though
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46490638]zeke you're evolving into ironman are you alright[/QUOTE]
Because I used the word "dichotomy"? Be sure to warn me if I use the word "transcendence" or something but I think I'm still good so far.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490626]I wouldnt say it was the people on Twitter's fault for his strong reaction, more of just a buildup of stuff that pushed him over the edge[/QUOTE]
Not everyone on twitter is to blame. A lot of people from there are though. A lot of them escalated it and built it up enough that it pushed him on the edge.
I'm not saying EVERYONE who talked about it is in the wrong. The people who resorted to harrassing him about it and who made it a big enough issue to cause that to happen are the problem and you really would have to be blind to ignore that.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46489804]That shirt is better described as sexual than sexist.
If it was sexist it would say like "Women are only good for fucking" or something like that.[/QUOTE]
And this, this right here, is the distinction that everyone is missing.
Deliberately, it must be said, because the feminists who get the most soapbox time are sex negative, which is basically like being a liberal puritan.
Is his shirt in bad taste, yeah, sure. Is it sexist? Well, depends where you fall on the "celebrating beauty of female bodies" thing. What I find pretty horrendous about the whole thing is that a friend of his (a woman, just to point out) made it for him as a good luck gift for the Philae landing, and the poor guy has been hounded for wearing it to the point of breaking down in tears.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490617]
Nobody is really reporting on either, I had to link you to a blog after all. Death threats on the internet rarely get talked about outside of the internet unless they involve someone really high profile.[/QUOTE]
We both know I meant in general over the last half year or so or however long this perpetual shitstorm has been going on.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;46490625]Well there's a solution to that instead of posting 5 posts a minute.[/QUOTE]
What is the correct rate someone should post on a message board during a text conversation.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490641]No one was grievously offended though[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand, Zeke said that we weren't caring for the feelings of the people who complained. They must be suffering through some massive ordeal over this.
I mean it's not like they are just complaining for the sake of complaining to look superior.
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