[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490612]The dichotomy of Facepunch's unwavering concern for this guy's feelings alongside their unwavering dismissal of the feelings of the people who complained makes it hard to take this thread seriously.[/QUOTE]
You care more about them and completely ignore that man who wore the shirt
ironic of you to say this too
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490641]No one was grievously offended though[/QUOTE]
With how much crap the media is giving the poor scientist, I would have guessed that some of those complainers have probably had aneurysms at this grievous show of the patriarchy that is a man wearing a shirt with women on it.
You might be right, they might not have been grievously offended.
They are doing this to fucking bully people for absolutely no reason.
That is the problem I bloody have with it.
[QUOTE=Thlis;46490660]I don't think you understand, Zeke said that we weren't caring for the feelings of the people who complained. They must be suffering through some massive ordeal over this.
I mean it's not like they are just complaining for the sake of complaining to look superior.[/QUOTE]
Yeah its not like that at all, it's just that a fairly large amount of people would be made uncomfortable if someone they worked with wore that shirt, and said that him making a really small change like changing his shirt would be appreciated. You guys are the ones blowing this up
[QUOTE]you guys are the ones blowing this up[/QUOTE]
yeah, "it's us"
[QUOTE=Jordax;46490683]With how much crap the media is giving the poor scientist, I would have guessed that some of those complainers have probably had aneurysms at this grievous show of the patriarchy that is a man wearing a shirt with women on it.
You might be right, they might not have been grievously offended.
They are doing this to fucking bully people for absolutely no reason.
That is the problem I bloody have with it.[/QUOTE]
No, they just wanted him to wear a different shirt, where the hell did you get them bullying him for no reason from?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490709]Yeah its not like that at all, it's just that a fairly large amount of people would be made uncomfortable if someone they worked with wore that shirt, and said that him making a really small change like changing his shirt would be appreciated. You guys are the ones blowing this up[/QUOTE]
So what right do you have to tell someone to not wear a birthday present from a friend?
Just because sexuality makes you uncomfortable just means you need to grow up, or look into why exactly it's making you uncomfortable.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490709]Yeah its not like that at all, it's just that a fairly large amount of people would be made uncomfortable if someone they worked with wore that shirt, and said that him making a really small change like changing his shirt would be appreciated. You guys are the ones blowing this up[/QUOTE]
You're missing kind of the real point though. Yes, there were plenty of people who were reasonable about it. No one is mad at those people
It's everyone else who was extreme about it and harassed him about it enough to get it to be a big enough deal to get a news article. People in this thread are really outraged by that. So yes, lots of people are gonna make a fuss about the fact people made a fuss about it.
It was blown up already, and people are reacting to it being blown up
[QUOTE=Crimor;46490730]So what right do you have to tell someone to not wear a birthday present from a friend?
Just because sexuality makes you uncomfortable just means you need to grow up, or look into why exactly it's making you uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]
Sexuality is great and awesome, but a professional environment is not the place to explore it. I can criticize anything I want, it's up to other people to decide whether my complaints have any merit or not, and obviously a large amount of people (as well as the scientist) agreed
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46490731]You're missing kind of the real point though. Yes, there were plenty of people who were reasonable about it. No one is mad at those people
It's everyone else who was extreme about it and harassed him about it enough to get it to be a big enough deal to get a news article. People in this thread are really outraged by that. So yes, lots of people are gonna make a fuss about the fact people made a fuss about it.
It was blown up already, and people are reacting to it being blown up[/QUOTE]
Anyone who was harassing him about it should definitely be condemned, but this whole thing reeks of sensationalism by news sites trying to make a quick buck off the controversy. Extremists are always going to be extreme, and we should ignore them instead of putting them in the spotlight
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490612]The dichotomy of Facepunch's unwavering concern for this guy's feelings alongside their unwavering dismissal of the feelings of the people who complained makes it hard to take this thread seriously.[/QUOTE]
Guy's feeling were hurt because of active actions of groups of people.
On the other hand, people who complained... were offended because of him passively wearing a shirt. That's putting it as nicely towards them as possible. Their feelings weren't actually hurt.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490774]
Anyone who was harassing him about it should definitely be condemned, but this whole thing reeks of sensationalism by news sites trying to make a quick buck off the controversy. Extremists are always going to be extreme, and we should ignore them instead of putting them in the spotlight[/QUOTE]
Well duh, that's always the reasoning behind these articles.
Here's the thing though, it became a controversy big enough for a news article because there were people who made it big enough that way. They were allowed to talk about this to great lengths, and are even more encouraged to do so by the article.
What you seem to be saying is that it was completely okay for them to talk about it that much to even warrant the article and to warrant his crying apology, but you aren't allowing anyone else to talk about it from the opposite point
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490709]You guys are the ones blowing this up[/QUOTE]
Yeah right, never mind we're being told humanity just went backwards because a guy wore a shirt, disregard landing on a comet
[url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shirt-is-holding-back-progress[/url]
I still find it funny that if a woman wore a male version of that shirt(a male pinup version by the same place exists), she'd be getting praise instead of this witch hunt.
But oh well, can't change the mind of fanatics, so I'll just get back to looking at bara.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490721]No, they just wanted him to wear a different shirt, where the hell did you get them bullying him for no reason from?[/QUOTE]
The guy broke down in tears in the midst of his apology over the harassment he had gotten over that.
And then the authors of those hitpieces pretty much act like a bunch of smug cunts immediately after on Twitter, and even saying that they want his employer to apologize as well.
Seriously, fuck that and fuck everyone who is promoting behavior like this. This is literally browbeating people and organizations into following your nonsensical standards just over a fucking shirt.
It is disgusting that the media is allowing this kind of abuse to happen, and sadly enough, it isn't even the only instance of occurrences like this by far.
I would like to name those examples, but I fear that would derail the thread even more in what is another ongoing event now.
Also, I am pretty fucking pissed because this overshadows what should have been celebrated as a huge step for science, but no, a bunch of faux progressives pretend to be offended, and here we are.
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46490796]Well duh, that's always the reasoning behind these articles.
Here's the thing though, it became a controversy big enough for a news article because there were people who made it big enough that way. They were allowed to talk about this to great lengths, and are even more encouraged to do so by the article.
What you seem to be saying is that it was completely okay for them to talk about it that much to even warrant the article and to warrant his crying apology, but you aren't allowing anyone else to talk about it from the opposite point[/QUOTE]
I don't think this needed any articles at all, and I certainly don't think it needed a tearful apology. Ideally, the situation should have gone:
Twitter people-"hm, he's done really great work here, but his shirt is kinda unprofessional, I wouldn't like working around it"
Taylor-"oh alright fair enough, sorry for sending off the wrong signals, I appreciate the heads up!"
Twitter people-"wow that guy was really reasonable and cool, I've gained even more respect for him"
And have no sensationalism or tears or anything dramatic like that
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490853]I don't think this needed any articles at all, and I certainly don't think it needed a tearful apology. Ideally, the situation should have gone:
Twitter people-"hm, he's done really great work here, but his shirt is kinda unprofessional, I wouldn't like working around it"
Taylor-"oh alright fair enough, sorry for sending off the wrong signals, I appreciate the heads up!"
Twitter people-"wow that guy was really reasonable and cool, I've gained even more respect for him"
And have no sensationalism or tears or anything dramatic like that[/QUOTE]
Again, pretty much EVERYONE here doesn't think this really deserved an article, nor should he have gotten harassed enough to have to deliver a tearful apology.
That's how it happened though, and I think it's perfectly reasonable that there are a lot of people looking at this and voicing complaints.
[QUOTE=Steele92;46490820]Yeah right, never mind we're being told humanity just went backwards because a guy wore a shirt, disregard landing on a comet
[url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shirt-is-holding-back-progress[/url][/QUOTE]
Alright, I will admit that's definitely excessive, but I believe that's partly because they were trying to stir up page views and clicks more than they were actually incredibly offended
If his shirt was overshadowing all his hard work i'm not surprised he's crying
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490873]Alright, I will admit that's definitely excessive, but I believe that's partly because they were trying to stir up page views and clicks more than they were actually incredibly offended[/QUOTE]
True, but the point is people are going to go with these shitstirrers as an excuse to harass or overshadow his work, and that's what's making us angry
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46490872]Again, pretty much EVERYONE here doesn't think this really deserved an article, nor should he have gotten harassed enough to have to deliver a tearful apology.
That's how it happened though, and I think it's perfectly reasonable that there are a lot of people looking at this and voicing complaints.[/QUOTE]
Definitely agree, but the toxic reactions that people in here had against feminists as a whole was ridiculous
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490890]Definitely agree, but the toxic reactions that people in here had against feminists as a whole was ridiculous[/QUOTE]
The toxic reactions people had about the shirt in the first place were ridiculous
the thing I'm trying to argue with you I guess is that you made it as if people outraged by the ordeal shouldn't talk about it because they are "blowing it up", but it was already blown up in the first place. There's a handful of people who are gonna do blanket statements that have no merit, but a lot of people here are actually trying to discuss it as an issue. No one from what I'm reading at this point is saying it's the fault of EVERYONE who made a note about his shirt.
[QUOTE=Jordax;46490839]The guy broke down in tears in the midst of his apology over the harassment he had gotten over that.
[b]And then the authors of those hitpieces pretty much act like a bunch of smug cunts immediately after on Twitter, and even saying that they want his employer to apologize as well.[/b]
Seriously, fuck that and fuck everyone who is promoting behavior like this. This is literally browbeating people and organizations into following your nonsensical standards just over a fucking shirt.
It is disgusting that the media is allowing this kind of abuse to happen, and sadly enough, it isn't even the only instance of occurrences like this by far.
I would like to name those examples, but I fear that would derail the thread even more in what is another ongoing event now.
Also, I am pretty fucking pissed because this overshadows what should have been celebrated as a huge step for science, but no, a bunch of faux progressives pretend to be offended, and here we are.[/QUOTE]
If this is true, that's really cruel. They made the guy cry, so he obviously was either triggered by this or is very emotional in general. They're pretty much wanting him fired for a poor choice in attire.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46490890]Definitely agree, but the toxic reactions that people in here had against feminists as a whole was ridiculous[/QUOTE]
I'm only seeing one or two posts about feminism in the first page though
People should be allowed to talk about this and voice their opinion against it as well as the people for it
[QUOTE=Crimor;46490831]I still find it funny that if a woman wore a male version of that shirt(a male pinup version by the same place exists), she'd be getting praise instead of this witch hunt.[/QUOTE]
I'm not really sure how you can claim this without something to back it up. Women most certainly receive criticism over their choice of workplace attire. If a woman wore something sexual, even if it was just something that sexualized [i]herself[/i], she'd get a lot of vitriol I think.
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46490919]The toxic reactions people had about the shirt in the first place were ridiculous
the thing I'm trying to argue with you I guess is that you made it as if people outraged by the ordeal shouldn't talk about it because they are "blowing it up", but it was already blown up in the first place. There's a handful of people who are gonna do blanket statements that have no merit, but a lot of people here are actually trying to discuss it as an issue. No one from what I'm reading at this point is saying it's the fault of EVERYONE who made a note about his shirt.[/QUOTE]
Oh right I see, I agree, but I think the anger should be focused more on the media who fanned the flamed than the people who called him out (of course you can freely criticize overzealous people who overreacted, toxic people on both sides are awful). Pointing out that someone's shirt is unprofessional should be fine and discussed further, but the people who are making this out as political correctness gone wild or Tumblr radfems trying to destroy the scientist isn't really helpful discussion (and neither is claiming the shirt is the epitome of oppression like that shitty news article above argues)
[QUOTE=john_pelphre;46490929]If this is true, that's really cruel. They made the guy cry, so he obviously was either triggered by this or is very emotional in general. They're pretty much wanting him fired for a poor choice in attire.[/QUOTE]
I watched his apology and I don't really think he was crying because of what people said to him. This suggestion does him a disservice as well, as it implies his apology wasn't sincere. And to me, it sure sounded sincere. So kudos to him for that.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46490931]I'm only seeing one or two posts about feminism in the first page though[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MadPro119;46489091](text saying feminism is self defeating and pointless) Something I read somewhere.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46489089]Soon it will be illegal to show women anywhere like Allah.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crimor;46489053]I've seen people legit saying that gay people are sexist/misogynistic because they don't like women.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Craptasket;46489034]Anita sarkeesian will now ruin space travel[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MadPro119;46488999]Fucking women[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kaukassus;46488960]Some people are offended by anything. Just looking in their general direction would probably offend them too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;46488978]Jesus crikey, people think nowadays everything is sexist just for the sake to have a voice ffs.
[editline]14th November 2014[/editline]
Is being bisexual being sexist right now?[/QUOTE]
Not all addressing feminism directly, but they're really condescending and hostile towards the fairly reasonable observation that his shirt was unprofessional
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46490989]I watched his apology and I don't really think he was crying because of what people said to him. This suggestion does him a disservice as well, as it implies his apology wasn't sincere. And to me, it sure sounded sincere. So kudos to him for that.[/QUOTE]
He was obviously sincere, especially with the tears. But it's when he was bringing it up that suggest that this might have triggered an episode from his past. that doesn't make any less sincere, just an explanation for is tears.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46491042]Not all addressing feminism directly, but they're really condescending and hostile towards the fairly reasonable observation that his shirt was unprofessional[/QUOTE]
Observation wasn't that it's unprofessional. The 'observation' was that it was sexist.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;46491042]Not all addressing feminism directly, but they're really condescending and hostile towards the fairly reasonable observation that his shirt was unprofessional[/QUOTE]
Only one of them is misogynist, and only one of them actually addresses feminism.
Try again.
[QUOTE=gudman;46491083]Observation wasn't that it's unprofessional. The 'observation' was that it was sexist.[/QUOTE]
Well some people did say sexist (which is incorrect here for the most part), but it was generally understood that most people disapproved of a shirt like that being worn at such a professional event. Again, I don't defend the people who were overly toxic towards him, just people who were calm and collected about it
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