PA official rejects ‘insane’ demand to stop paying terrorists - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-official-rejects-insane-us-demand-to-stop-paying-terrorists/"]http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-official-rejects-insane-us-demand-to-stop-paying-terrorists/[/URL] [QUOTE]A senior Palestinian Authority official has rejected the “insane” demand that it end its policy of providing social welfare payments to the families of Palestinian terrorists jailed for carrying out attacks against Israelis. PA President Mahmoud Abbas’s foreign affairs adviser Nabil Shaath on Thursday told Israel Radio the demand was intentionally designed to sink any potential for renewed US-led Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. He told the radio station that the Palestinian prisoners were victims of Israel’s control over the West Bank. “It’s absurd to request that we stop paying the families of prisoners,” he said. “That would be like asking Israel to stop paying its soldiers.” During the Wednesday meeting, Trump urged Abbas to stop incitement, crack down on terrorism, and “resolve” his West Bank government’s policy of making payments to families of Israeli-held security prisoners. “President Trump raised his concerns about payments to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails who have committed terrorist acts, and to their families, and emphasized the need to resolve this issue,” the White House said in a readout of the two leaders’ first face-to-face meeting. Some 6,500 Palestinians are currently detained by Israel for a range of terror offenses and crimes. Around 500 are being held under Israel’s system of administrative detention, which allows for imprisonment without charge. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said the salaries paid to imprisoned terrorists by the PA constitute a major obstacle to peace.[/QUOTE]

Come on, that's a pretty shit title isn't it? [quote]A senior Palestinian Authority official has rejected the “insane” demand that it end its policy of [B]providing social welfare payments to the [U]families[/U] of Palestinian terrorists[/B] jailed for carrying out attacks against Israelis.[/quote] There's a difference between a criminal and their family, isn't there? I'm not defending Palestinian terrorism whatsoever, but casting out the families to fend for themselves just because they had a piece of shit family member doesn't seem right.

Just because daddy bomb maker gets chucked in the slammer doesn't mean the money going his now fatherless family is going right back into the terror machine. Misleading title.

[QUOTE=srobins;52187312]Come on, that's a pretty shit title isn't it? There's a difference between a criminal and their family, isn't there? I'm not defending Palestinian terrorism whatsoever, but casting out the families to fend for themselves just because they had a piece of shit family member doesn't seem right.[/QUOTE] They specifically give aid to the family of terrorists (or "fighters," as they call them). It's a huge encouragement.

[QUOTE=srobins;52187312]Come on, that's a pretty shit title isn't it? There's a difference between a criminal and their family, isn't there? I'm not defending Palestinian terrorism whatsoever, but casting out the families to fend for themselves just because they had a piece of shit family member doesn't seem right.[/QUOTE] Unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems like the families are being given welfare in reward for the people jailed while attacking Israelis, which is something that really, really shouldn't be incentivized in any way. It'd be different if this was something all Palestinians recieve, but it doesn't look like thats the case.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52187398]They specifically give aid to the family of terrorists (or "fighters," as they call them). It's a huge encouragement.[/QUOTE] Oh wow, I misunderstood then. I thought it was exclusion from a general welfare fund, not a program specifically for families of terrorists lol

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52187100][URL="http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-official-rejects-insane-us-demand-to-stop-paying-terrorists/"]http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-official-rejects-insane-us-demand-to-stop-paying-terrorists/[/URL][/QUOTE] at first I thought you made an editorialized title, but the source actually has that word for word, my goodness

[QUOTE=srobins;52187312]Come on, that's a pretty shit title isn't it? There's a difference between a criminal and their family, isn't there? I'm not defending Palestinian terrorism whatsoever, but casting out the families to fend for themselves just because they had a piece of shit family member doesn't seem right.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's fair to call them terrorists considering how provocative the actions of the Israelis are.

[QUOTE=space1;52187823]I don't think it's fair to call them terrorists considering how provocative the actions of the Israelis are.[/QUOTE] Oh no, they're most definitely terrorists. Perhaps it would benefit you to look up the definition of terrorism.

[QUOTE=space1;52187823]I don't think it's fair to call them terrorists considering how provocative the actions of the Israelis are.[/QUOTE] mate if you bomb a bunch of civilians you're a scumbag terrorist regardless of what the government did.

[QUOTE=Araknid;52188944]mate if you bomb a bunch of civilians you're a scumbag terrorist regardless of what the government did.[/QUOTE] by this definition, wouldn't that make the Israelis or other countries like the United States terrorists too since quite a few of their bombs hit civilians from time to time?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52189006]by this definition, wouldn't that make the Israelis or other countries like the United States terrorists too since quite a few of their bombs hit civilians from time to time?[/QUOTE] There's a difference of intent between the two. They are responsible for not trying to minimize collateral damage, but that's not the same thing as going out of one's way to specifically harm civilians.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52189006]by this definition, wouldn't that make the Israelis or other countries like the United States terrorists too since quite a few of their bombs hit civilians from time to time?[/QUOTE] No, because they do not target civilians. Collateral damage is awful and should be avoided as much as possible but it's not the same as blowing yourself up inside a civillian bus.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52189006]by this definition, wouldn't that make the Israelis or other countries like the United States terrorists too since quite a few of their bombs hit civilians from time to time?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Warnings_prior_to_attacks"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Warnings_prior_to_attacks[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Urging_or_forcing_civilians_to_stay_in_their_homes"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Urging_or_forcing_civilians_to_stay_in_their_homes[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;52189028][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Warnings_prior_to_attacks"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Warnings_prior_to_attacks[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Urging_or_forcing_civilians_to_stay_in_their_homes"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Urging_or_forcing_civilians_to_stay_in_their_homes[/URL][/QUOTE] couldn't a Palestinian terrorist say that the people they attack received ample warning to leave though? Obviously there is a huge difference between the IDF and the terrorists but the terrorists and the people who support them think that they are in the right, they think they are defending their land against invaders (with a load of religious and ethnic hatred thrown in)

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52189041]couldn't a Palestinian terrorist say that the people they attack received ample warning to leave though?[/QUOTE] WATCH OUT, I'M ABOUT TO EXPLODE MYSELF ON YOUR BUS (or stab you)

[QUOTE=space1;52187823]I don't think it's fair to call them terrorists considering how provocative the actions of the Israelis are.[/QUOTE] You (alone) won't change the meaning of words like that. There's a clear cut (retarded, maybe) usage of the word terrorism that is commonplace and this fits right in there. Your freedom expression guarantees your right to stand by the actions of individuals within hamas, and your solidarity for the oppressed people of Palestine; But regardless of their conjoncture there's been some very vicious attacks coming from palestinian nationals in the last few years, look up a few knife attacks for instance. Their being bred in an open cieling, country-sized prison with no hope for a better tommorow does not mean you can't call them terrorists when they do act up. And yes, terrorism as a word has lost its meaning; 9/11 has set a precedent where we colloquially refer to anyone committing assault upon the innocent masses with the intent of mass murder, as a terrorist, regardless of whether or not causing fear is their primary goal.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;52188110]Oh no, they're most definitely terrorists. Perhaps it would benefit you to look up the definition of terrorism.[/QUOTE] [quote]Around 500 are being held under Israel’s system of administrative detention, which allows for imprisonment without charge.[/quote] Are you still so sure?

[QUOTE=space1;52189618]Are you still so sure?[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with them being terrorists or not? If they committed violence against Israel for political reasons, that makes them a terrorist. The administrative detention thing happens to many Israelis as well, an ultra right wing politician named Meir Kahane was held for 6 months with no charge in the 70s/80s

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52189673]What does that have to do with them being terrorists or not? If they committed violence against Israel for political reasons, that makes them a terrorist. The administrative detention thing happens to many Israelis as well, an ultra right wing politician named Meir Kahane was held for 6 months with no charge in the 70s/80s[/QUOTE] It will always be fishy when you have people imprisoned without charge and without proof of their actions when the only word you have to go on that they have a 100% legitimate good reason to be detained like this comes from the people who are imprisoning them. It's an extreme comparison, but the situation is the same as North Korea imprisoning some American for "subversion" or something of the sort. All you have to go on is an extremely biased source that would obviously never say anything other than that it's justified, even if in truth it isn't. I wish Israel stopped this prisoner without trial shit, it's undemocratic as fuck. And it's not like wrongful imprisonment is going to get them any compensation, because if Ahmed Dawabsheh won't get any compensation for the [B][I]Jewish[/I][/B] terrorist attack that killed his entire family, I don't see how anybody else will.

[QUOTE=space1;52187823]I don't think it's fair to call them terrorists considering how provocative the actions of the Israelis are.[/QUOTE] this is like telling you guys to stop calling school shooters "mentally unstable" or "insane individuals" because society was cruel to them.

For Palestine, a fight againsts Israel rogue state is a legit war. Of course they would considered the welfare of the widows and the orphans that results from the war. Almost all countries do this, they took care of the the left-behind families to some extent. The article labelling Palestinian fighter and their family as 'terrorist' doesn't make any sense from Palestinian of view, it's just a derogatory term used by pro-Zionists to deny the family of the bereft from proper aids. For Palestinians, Israel is the terrorist.

Yeah what a war, pointlessly throwing your lives away charging at Israeli civilians and soldiers, only further enraging and radicalizing both Palestinians and Israelis when you get shot dead. Very beneficial to the war effort.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52190306]Yeah what a war, pointlessly throwing your lives away charging at Israeli civilians and soldiers, only further enraging and radicalizing both Palestinians and Israelis when you get shot dead. Very beneficial to the war effort.[/QUOTE] And somebody else will give you their 1001 examples of countless atrocities by the Zionist, which gave equal (or even less) contribution to the halt the war.

Difference between us is I never defended repulsive Israeli behavior, while you excuse outright murder of innocents as a war effort.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52190354]Difference between us is I never defended repulsive Israeli behavior, while you excuse outright murder of innocents as a war effort.[/QUOTE] Stick to the context around the article please. Now we're heading towards 'who's the devil' instead of 'welfare of left-behind families'

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52189006]by this definition, wouldn't that make the Israelis or other countries like the United States terrorists too since quite a few of their bombs hit civilians from time to time?[/QUOTE] Intentional bombing is not the same as an accidental bombing, do you really need to be told this?

[QUOTE=Araknid;52190432]Intentional bombing is not the same as an accidental bombing, do you really need to be told this?[/QUOTE] Accidental or not is really a matter of shifty nature. You just need the bomber to claim it's accidental for it to be known so, regardless of the real intention behind such attack.

[QUOTE=space1;52187823]I don't think it's fair to call them terrorists considering how provocative the actions of the Israelis are.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty strongly anti-Israel (in terms of government, not that I should really have to specify :/) and their treatment of Palestine, but Palestinian terrorists are definitely terrorists. Even if I understand their motives, firing rockets into civilian centers is indefensible and just emboldens Israel in their mistreatment of Palestine anyway. [editline]5th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;52189006]by this definition, wouldn't that make the Israelis or other countries like the United States terrorists too since quite a few of their bombs hit civilians from time to time?[/QUOTE] No? Because the civilians of that country neither made the decision to drop the bombs nor did they do the bombing themselves, making them.. Not terrorists. Palestinian terrorists who personally plot and execute acts of terror are terrorists.. Are you joking?

[QUOTE=space1;52189618]Are you still so sure?[/QUOTE] Yes. Not sure what your point is. [editline]6th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=hakimhakim;52190460]Accidental or not is really a matter of shifty nature. You just need the bomber to claim it's accidental for it to be known so, regardless of the real intention behind such attack.[/QUOTE] Are you shit posting? Because last I checked, there's no accident in the random rockets being fired by Hamas.