[QUOTE=Zeke129;41724712]If someone is pointing guns at cops at 14 then something went seriously wrong during those 14 years[/QUOTE]
True, but then I could just say that it isn't the parents fault, it's their parents fault, and so on.
Looking at it this way, there is no clear cut responsibility.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;41724725]There's really nothing implying race in his comment; if anything that's the general reaction most people have when they discover a relative/child/sibling has committed a crime. It's sort of like with the Trayvon Martin case his mother instantly jumped to defend her son even though it was pretty obvious that her unstable household coupled with his "activities" put him on a path of bad decisions that lead to even worse consequences.[/QUOTE]
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Look at the name and post-count, then report and wait for sweet FP justice.
Justified or not, I'm sure it must be terrible to live with that image of having killed someone, especially a kid. It just makes me feel sad that the kid did something stupid like that, and that the cop had to shoot him.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;41724725]There's really nothing implying race in his comment; if anything that's the general reaction most people have when they discover a relative/child/sibling has committed a crime. It's sort of like with the Trayvon Martin case his mother instantly jumped to defend her son even though it was pretty obvious that her unstable household coupled with his "activities" put him on a path of bad decisions that lead to even worse consequences.[/QUOTE]
You obviously didn't see the original post
Plus his fake "accent" is clearly racially charged
[QUOTE=Olas;41724739][URL="http://i.imgur.com/Aia6KvU.png"]This[/URL] is what was snipped from [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1296301&p=41724442&viewfull=1#post41724442"]his comment[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Well in that case
[QUOTE=Patriarch;41724736]True, but then I could just say that it isn't the parents fault, it's their parents fault, and so on.
Looking at it this way, there is no clear cut responsibility.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you probably could. I wasn't just blaming the parents either, I'd bet any money this kid grew up in a shit neighbourhood as well. Parents aren't alone in raising a kid, influence comes from everything.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41724712]If someone is pointing guns at cops at 14 then something went seriously wrong during those 14 years[/QUOTE]
Anybody committing criminal activity, especially violent crime, has something wrong with them.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;41724725]There's really nothing implying race in his comment; if anything that's the general reaction most people have when they discover a relative/child/sibling has committed a crime. It's sort of like with the Trayvon Martin case his mother instantly jumped to defend her son even though it was pretty obvious that her unstable household coupled with his "activities" put him on a path of bad decisions that lead to even worse consequences.
Plus, it's not uncommon for people in these low-income areas to have very poor vocabulary, and this includes all races not just blacks. Though it's not necessarily a good idea to blame these groups of people but more or less our terrible education system and how we handle the impoverished. We'd rather stick them in their own corner and build a wall around them; in this case a constant police presence, rather than actually tackle the issue such as a lack of education and jobs.[/QUOTE]
hi im facepunch user bredirish123 and i dont understand the cultural significance of ebonics
gj rating this article winner nearly 100 times you dorks, when are we holding a party to celebrate the death of a 14 year old kid? just because the shooting was justified doesn't mean it was a good thing in any way
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[QUOTE=katbug;41724987]Anybody committing any criminal activity, especially violent crime, has something wrong with them.[/QUOTE]
this is entirely wrong lol
[QUOTE=katbug;41724987]Anybody committing criminal activity, especially violent crime, has something wrong with them.[/QUOTE]
There is something wrong with their [I]situation[/I], not them as people, specifically.
Contrary to what many people think the human brain does not have a hidden "BLLUURB MUST COMMIT CRIMINAL ACT NOW BLUURBB" section.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;41725069]There is something wrong with their [I]situation[/I], not them as people, specifically.
Contrary to what many people think the human brain does not have a hidden "BLLUURB MUST COMMIT CRIMINAL ACT NOW BLUURBB" section.[/QUOTE]
But by that logic ALL criminals should be passed off as "products of their enviroments" (which is scientifically true, but not realistically applicable), but we still have to condemn violent behavior.
I mean you wouldn't see anyone defending a child molester, even though the reason they got that way is they were abused/ignored/whatever as a child and as a result developed a complex.
[QUOTE=katbug;41725142]But by that logic ALL criminals should be passed off as "products of their enviroments" (which is scientifically true, but not realistically applicable), but we still have to condemn violent behavior.
I mean you wouldn't see anyone defending a child molester, even though the reason they got that way is they were abused/ignored/whatever as a child and as a result developed a complex.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't defend the [I]actions[/I] of a child molester but I would defend their right to fair psychological treatment because of an uncontrollable compulsion. The fact that we live in a society where pedophiles are deemed the One True Evil™ doesn't exactly encourage people with pedophilia to seek help now does it? That certainly is a case where the environment contributes to criminal acts.
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;41723999]Why the fuck would a 14 year old be allowed to own a gun ?[/QUOTE]
You can't own a registered handgun until you're 21, at least that is how it works in California which has similar laws to New York.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;41721113]You would hope so for a police officer in New York.[/QUOTE]
Especially for foot patrol in the Bronx.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41725021]hi im facepunch user bredirish123 and i dont understand the cultural significance of ebonics
gj rating this article winner nearly 100 times you dorks, when are we holding a party to celebrate the death of a 14 year old kid? just because the shooting was justified doesn't mean it was a good thing in any way
[editline]5th August 2013[/editline]
this is entirely wrong lol[/QUOTE]
Oh boy, it's that time of thread where some bigot that cant accept other peoples opinions crawls out the woodworks acting like they're obnoxiously superior to everybody else for having a different opinion, is it?
I guess three pages is substantially better than our track record.
[QUOTE=ThatSprite;41725291]Oh boy, it's that time of thread where some bigot that cant accept other peoples opinions crawls out the woodworks acting like they're obnoxiously superior to everybody else for having a different opinion, is it?
I guess three pages is substantially better than our track record.[/QUOTE]
bigot alert :rolleyes:
But seriously, kipomi, can you step off for like five minutes, please? We would all be very grateful. We all know you're very opinionated just like a lot of other people here, myself included, but arguments and shit like that would be a lot less common if you conducted yourself like less of a dick.
[QUOTE=ThatSprite;41725291]Oh boy, it's that time of thread where some bigot that cant accept other peoples opinions crawls out the woodworks acting like they're obnoxiously superior to everybody else for having a different opinion, is it?
I guess three pages is substantially better than our track record.[/QUOTE]
I suppose you can forgive if some people are more than a little upset that so many people are celebrating the death of a kid?
If somebody thought that the killing of a 14 year old is something that is "winner" worthy then yeah I'd feel morally superior to them. Am I wrong to think so?
[QUOTE=katbug;41725475]bigot alert :rolleyes:
But seriously, kipomi, can you step off for like five minutes, please? We would all be very grateful. We all know you're very opinionated just like a lot of other people here, myself included, but arguments and shit like that would be a lot less common if you conducted yourself like less of a dick.[/QUOTE]
I suppose you could also actually address the argument presented instead of bitching about his conduct and contributing nothing else but I suppose that's too much to ask.
[QUOTE=katbug;41725142]But by that logic ALL criminals should be passed off as "products of their enviroments" (which is scientifically true, but not realistically applicable), but we still have to condemn violent behavior.
I mean you wouldn't see anyone defending a child molester, even though the reason they got that way is they were abused/ignored/whatever as a child and as a result developed a complex.[/QUOTE]
Do you not see the difference between a 14 year old doing something and a full grown adult doing something
Over a hundred winner ratings
Shameful
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;41725864]
I suppose you could also actually address the argument presented instead of bitching about his conduct and contributing nothing else but I suppose that's too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
What argument, Kipomi literally said "this is wrong". There's no reply to that besides "please stop being an awful poster"
[QUOTE=katbug;41726651]What argument, Kipomi literally said "this is wrong". There's no reply to that besides "please stop being an awful poster"[/QUOTE]
You literally did the same fucking thing.
[QUOTE=katbug;41724987]Anybody committing criminal activity, especially violent crime, has something wrong with them.[/QUOTE]
Please stop being an awful poster.
[QUOTE=katbug;41726651]What argument, Kipomi literally said "this is wrong". There's no reply to that besides "please stop being an awful poster"[/QUOTE]
yeah because you said that everybody who breaks the law has something wrong with them
i didn't feel like i needed to spell out why thats fucking stupid but here we are
[editline]5th August 2013[/editline]
do i actually need to explain to you why thats a stupid thing to say? are you seriously confused by the idea that people commit crime for reasons other than psychological faults
[editline]5th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=ThatSprite;41725291]Oh boy, it's that time of thread where some bigot that cant accept other peoples opinions crawls out the woodworks acting like they're obnoxiously superior to everybody else for having a different opinion, is it?
I guess three pages is substantially better than our track record.[/QUOTE]
do you know what the word bigot means or did you just feel like it would be a nice emotional charge to your meaningless "fuck off kopimi" post
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41725021]hi im facepunch user bredirish123 and i dont understand the cultural significance of ebonics
gj rating this article winner nearly 100 times you dorks, when are we holding a party to celebrate the death of a 14 year old kid? just because the shooting was justified doesn't mean it was a good thing in any way
[editline]5th August 2013[/editline]
this is entirely wrong lol[/QUOTE]
If the cop didn't kill him, he would've shot the cop. Then we'd have a fallen policeman and a boy doomed to a long time behind bars.
It wasn't a very nice thing that happened, but it's probably the best possible outcome of that set of variables.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41726879]yeah because you said that everybody who breaks the law has something wrong with them
i didn't feel like i needed to spell out why thats fucking stupid but here we are
[editline]5th August 2013[/editline]
do i actually need to explain to you why thats a stupid thing to say? are you seriously confused by the idea that people commit crime for reasons other than psychological faults
[editline]5th August 2013[/editline]
do you know what the word bigot means or did you just feel like it would be a nice emotional charge to your meaningless "fuck off kopimi" post[/QUOTE]
When someone views others as a means to an end through any means necessary, it's counter productive to society, survival, and everything else. It's absolutely a psychological fault when you are willing to attack other people for money.
But through your eyes I'm sure that every criminal in an inner city was "forced to by the oppressive society", but only when it subscribes to your worldview.
[QUOTE=katbug;41727738]When someone views others as a means to an end through any means necessary, it's counter productive to society, survival, and everything else. It's absolutely a psychological fault when you are willing to attack other people for money.
But through your eyes I'm sure that every criminal in an inner city was "forced to by the oppressive society", but only when it subscribes to your worldview.[/QUOTE]
And your evidence for this assumption is where?
Counterproductive to survival? Most people get into crime BECAUSE they are trying to survive.
[QUOTE=katbug;41727738]When someone views others as a means to an end through any means necessary, it's counter productive to society, survival, and everything else. It's absolutely a psychological fault when you are willing to attack other people for money.
But through your eyes I'm sure that every criminal in an inner city was "forced to by the oppressive society", but only when it subscribes to your worldview.[/QUOTE]
yeah you don't understand psychology or sociology in any capacity and you're not in a position to say stupid shit like "everybody that commits crimes is psychologically disturbed". people commit crimes generally because they have a motive to and oftentimes that motive includes their own survival and livelihood of themselves and their families but i'm not surprised you're too dense to understand that crime isn't just a mystical force of evil
[QUOTE=Askaris;41723015]Shots to the arm/leg are contrary to popular belief not non/less lethal, due to those areas being major organs and as such having substantial arteries going through them. For example, a wound to the femoral artery in the leg will cause the victim to bleed out very quickly.
It is for this reason that the argument of "why didn't they aim for the leg/arm" isn't really valid; if a police officer has deemed that a situation requires the perpetrator to be shot, there is nowhere on the body that is a "safe" place to aim for. Once the situation has escalated to that level (which, given that the officers had a gun pointed at them, this one had), you shoot to kill or you die. It's harsh, but the unfortunate truth.
EDIT: Also I appear to be late.[/QUOTE]
Not only that, EVERY SINGLE Law enforcement agencies/armies/whatever the fuck, that uses firearms are trained to always shoot at the center of mass for obvious reasons.
[QUOTE=adam1172;41721441]Wouldn't it be made more sense for the cop to shot his arms/legs to disable the kid?
I know its probabaly the heat of the moment and panic/tension stuff causing the cop to just aim at the boy and shoot, but if the cop purposely aimed for the jaw/head thats wrong man.[/QUOTE]
There is no such thing as a non-lethal shot. If you aim a gun at someone you have full intent of killing them.
[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41729350]There is no such thing as a non-lethal shot. If you aim a gun at someone you have full intent of killing them.[/QUOTE]
Don't try and argue with people that know nothing of the human body or about guns, you can probably find better and more productive things to do than try and reason with a brick wall.
Since he got hit in the jaw it means the cop most likely tried a high body shot but over/undercompensated and hit the jaw instead.
Anyway, totally justified open and shut, but we'll most likely be hearing about it for months like the trayvon case. I'm gonna laugh if the cop that took the shot turns out to be black too though, I'd love to see sharpton work racism into that :v:
#JUSTICE4SHAALIVER
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