Paris Will Start Swabbing High Schoolers to See If They're Smoking Pot
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[QUOTE=TG2;50364951]Kids should not be smoking marijuana, period. It is a waste of people's money (both the person getting high and their parents and teachers who have to work harder to provide for them) to get high, be it everyday or once a week, [B]and one of the reasons so many education systems in Western countries pump out kids who have a limited worldview and don't know anything[/B].[/QUOTE]
that sounds like an anecdote to me. i agree that a minor shouldn't be smoking pot, but i'd rather it be pot than any of the other drugs out there that can destroy your body, or kill you.
by the way, just cause you smoke pot, doesn't mean you have a "limited worldview" or "don't know anything".
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50364944]mouth swabs don't only detect when you're high, they can detect if you've smoked within the past 3 or 4 days. i agree that kids shouldn't be showing up to school high, and detecting if the kid is high/drunk at school is within the school's jurisdiction, but if they want to smoke a joint on the weekend i don't believe the school should be involved there, which a mouth swab test could easily detect[/QUOTE]
If you use mouthwash and other mouth-related hygiene products vigorously, swab tests can only detect marijuana if you smoked it in the past 12ish hours.
If you want kids to stop smoking weed the answer is legalization and regulation. Drug tests aren't going to deter people.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;50364935]i did reread what i said, all i said is that it's nice that there are sources claiming weed has an impact on kids in school. there's also reports about how games have an impact on kids in schools. how tv has an impact on kids in schools. there's so many sources that make these kind of claims, but the problem is you can never be sure that weed/games/tv/etc. are the sole reason for someone failing their classes. some people aren't motivated at all in their classes.[/QUOTE]
Smoking weed just encourages these kids to engage in those activities though? I understand that "you know" kids who just watch TV and play video games because they are unmotivated, but this is something that will be used by the school to make parents approach their children and ask why are they smoking weed?
You missed this part of my post:
[QUOTE]They don't even involve the law and just inform the parents which does help with other mental issues at home which they might be resorting to marijuana for.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TG2;50364951]Oh, I guess you missed my point then that by using an anecdote, they are useless. Thanks for proving your reading comprehension is poorer than mine.
Kids should not be smoking marijuana, period. It is a waste of people's money (both for the person getting high and their parents and teachers who have to work harder to provide for them) to get high, be it everyday or once a week, and one of the reasons so many education systems in Western countries continue to pump out kids who have a limited worldview and don't know anything.[/QUOTE]
They already don't care if they drink or smoke tobacco, the whole "alters development" argument goes out the window if you dont care about either of those easily abused drugs as well
Giving them a breathalyzer isn't exactly controversial though, if a student shows up drunk that's to be expected, there isn't an equivalent to pot yet though which means they have to use tests that provide irrelevant results
[QUOTE=Rocko's;50364994]that sounds like an anecdote to me. i agree that a minor shouldn't be smoking pot, but i'd rather it be pot than any of the other drugs out there that can destroy your body, or kill you.
by the way, just cause you smoke pot, doesn't mean you have a "limited worldview" or "don't know anything".[/QUOTE]
If you read any one of those studies you would know that they support what I just said. But you were too busy I guess. Also said one of [B]many reasons[/B]! Children coming out of school now know less than they used to, shown in studies by reputable sources, like the NYTimes.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50365000]If you want kids to stop smoking weed the answer is legalization and regulation. Drug tests aren't going to deter people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah right just like alcohol being legal and regulated ensures that kids aren't drinking.
[QUOTE=bitches;50364991]do you even understand what "anecdote" means?
how is it invalid to demonstrate the uselessness of anecdotal evidence by proving contradictory anecdotal evidence exists?
and regardless, anecdotal evidence is still useful to point out flaws in overgeneralized arguments that make wild sweeping claims without proper evidence of their own[/QUOTE]
Yes.
My "wild sweeping claims" are already backed up by a slew of studies that prove my "overgeneralized" arguments.
What is your definition of an anecdote?
[QUOTE=Kljunas;50365024]Yeah right just like alcohol being legal and regulated ensures that kids aren't drinking.[/QUOTE]
Sure makes it a lot harder for kids to get alcohol from a legal establishment than from a dealer who doesn't check ID.
[QUOTE=TG2;50365009]If you read any one of those studies you would know that they support what I just said. But you were too busy I guess. Also said one of [B]many reasons[/B]! Children coming out of school now know less than they used to, shown in studies by reputable sources, like the NYTimes.[/QUOTE]
Clearly all on weed and not on the fact education is a business run for profit across the world by companies like Pearson in our current climate.
Oh wait, you're wrong.
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[QUOTE=TG2;50365037]Yes.
My "wild sweeping claims" are already backed up by a slew of studies that prove my "overgeneralized" arguments.
What is your definition of an anecdote?[/QUOTE]
You went off on one anecdote, you support the other anecdote.
You are a hypocrite
If a kid is failing his class and smokes pot. It's more likely to be failure to do the work or study rather than a drug making them dumber.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50365058]Clearly all on weed and not on the fact education is a business run for profit across the world by companies like Pearson in our current climate.
Oh wait, you're wrong.
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You went off on one anecdote, you support the other anecdote.
You are a hypocrite[/QUOTE]
The for-profit education system is another issue, but kids smoking weed affects grades for the worse and arguing otherwise is a pointless battle.
I am lost, sorry. Which anecdotes am I guilty of supporting? Sorry, if I did!
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[QUOTE=codemaster85;50365071]If a kid is failing his class and smokes pot. It's more likely to be [B]failure to do the work or study[/B] rather than a drug making them dumber.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't make you dumber. It can impair short-term memory, make you talk slower, and decreases the likelihood of a kid doing either of those things that you mentioned.
[QUOTE=TG2;50365078]The for-profit education system is another issue, but kids smoking weed affects grades for the worse and arguing otherwise is a pointless battle.
I am lost, sorry. Which anecdotes am I guilty of supporting? Sorry, if I did!
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It doesn't make you dumber. It can impair short-term memory, make you talk slower, and decreases the likelihood of a kid doing either of those things that you mentioned.[/QUOTE]
I think you're looking at this very shallowly.
A kid who does badly in school suffers from a lack of motivation. What causes that is anyones guess. Home problems, self image issues, peer pressure, all sorts of things, marijuana could be included in that, yes, but I would struggle to blame it over the latent issues in those students.
I've never suffered any short term, or long term memory damage. I regularly am the "memory" of my office, I can always remember what happened on a given day and my office asks me questions like that all the time because I'm accurate. I've never noticed slowed speech, or a lack of motivation. Those are my personal anecdotes, and don't mean much, but they do show the issue is complicated.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50365045]Sure makes it a lot harder for kids to get alcohol from a legal establishment than from a dealer who doesn't check ID.[/QUOTE]
Still it's not hard at all for underage people to get alcohol. My point is legalisation is not "the answer" to kids smoking weed.
[QUOTE=TG2;50365009]If you read any one of those studies you would know that they support what I just said. But you were too busy I guess. Also said one of [B]many reasons[/B]! Children coming out of school now know less than they used to, shown in studies by reputable sources, like the NYTimes.[/QUOTE]
Considering the standards from when my brother went to highschool allowed you to graduate without ever taking calculus to the current standards which require at least calc II, this is anicdotal at best
Every gwneration always says they learned more, but my parents didn't have to take half the classes I did, hell, even my college major didn't have half the classes it does now because they've invented more stuff to teach in the last 40 years and at least 3 of my classes would have been outright impossible without computers, another 3 could have been combined without computers because they wouldn't have enough material for each class
Oh no government does something to combat something illegal, but everyone up in arms because everyone does it, therefore that makes it less illegal.
Simple solution - don't do illegal drugs, and the you'll have no problems!
[QUOTE=Amplar;50365158]Oh no government does something to combat something illegal, but everyone up in arms because everyone does it, therefore that makes it less illegal.
Simple solution - don't do illegal drugs, and the you'll have no problems![/QUOTE]
People are more upset by the privacy violation and wastefulness of it.
Marijuana shouldn't be used by teenagers but civil disobedience is the only way to show the law needs to change.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;50365145]Still it's not hard at all for underage people to get alcohol. My point is legalisation is not "the answer" to kids smoking weed.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and underage drinking would go up if alcohol was prohibited. It's not "the" answer but regulation in conjunction with education will do far more than a drug swab.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;50365145]Still it's not hard at all for underage people to get alcohol. My point is legalisation is not "the answer" to kids smoking weed.[/QUOTE]
At least in Canada, yeah it has been. Alcohol is hard for kids to get here in general. Weed is not. You're going to find one a lot faster and easier than the other.
[QUOTE=TG2;50365078]The for-profit education system is another issue, but kids smoking weed affects grades for the worse and arguing otherwise is a pointless battle.
I am lost, sorry. Which anecdotes am I guilty of supporting? Sorry, if I did!
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It doesn't make you dumber. It can impair short-term memory, make you talk slower, and decreases the likelihood of a kid doing either of those things that you mentioned.[/QUOTE]
And theres plenty of kids who do smoke pot and do great at school. It's more of they make it their entire life. The same happens with any hobby you can think of.
[QUOTE=sam6420;50365185]I can find alcohol way faster than Marijuana, and I have like 6 dealers.[/QUOTE]
If you're of legal age yes, so what?
When I was under age, getting alcohol wasn't impossible, but it was harder than getting weed
[QUOTE=Sableye;50364918]French parents already let them smoke tobacco without issue
They don't even have a smoking age from what I can tell, just a feel good purchase age and a ban on smoking in school, if they're concerned about pot messing up youths heads, [B]why then do they allow smoking at any age[/B]
They are concerned about substance abuse except cigarettes are just as bad as a substance as pot and booze[/QUOTE]
Don't ask me, I'm not French.
All psychoactive substances(this includes alcohol and tobacco) should be illegal under 18, or even 21.
Unless there's a medical reason you're taking drugs, you shouldn't use something that might permanently screw up the still developing brain.
As for the parents letting their children smoke, I don't see what that has to do with anything because parents are hardly ever the right authority on their children's health.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364795]It's a fact that I have a few stoners in my class, all of them are absolutely failing the course. (no exceptions)[/QUOTE]
really? how many people are in your class? how do you know which ones smoke and which ones don't? do you keep tabs on them?
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50365245]Don't ask me, I'm not French.
All psychoactive substances(this includes alcohol and tobacco) should be illegal under 18, or even 21.
Unless there's a medical reason you're taking drugs, you shouldn't use something that might permanently screw up the still developing brain.
As for the parents letting their children smoke, I don't see what that has to do with anything because parents are hardly ever the right authority on their children's health.[/QUOTE]
Rhetorical questions are rhetorical, anyways it seems like they could get this aggregate data without having to compel students to submit to a drug test
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364716]Hey... Guys:
[b]School officials will not have access to individual results. Instead, the screening process will give principals the general statistics on cannabis use in their school.[/b]
Seems to me they will not be naming the swabs, just taking them and testing them in bulk, just getting back a 'positives' number.[/QUOTE]
So in other words, it'll work exactly like how the state of New York had a catalog of gun owners, which could never be accessible to the pub- oh wait, the public did get it, and a bunch of nanny-staters decided to show the home addresses of all gun owners with a map of the entire state of NY, by in turn invading their privacy and running the risk of them being robbed for firearms?
I'll believe data is not accessible when I see it thrown onto a firepit before my eyes.
[QUOTE=TG2;50365078]It doesn't make you dumber. It can impair short-term memory, make you talk slower, [B]and decreases the likelihood of a kid doing either of those things that you mentioned.[/B][/QUOTE]
can i ask you this simple question, is it 100% the sole work of marijuana causing kids to "fail to do work or study" rather than that persons sheer will to just not do the work at all? if you took weed out of the equation you'd just have a kid who doesn't want to do his schoolwork. but then you learn he smokes weed, now it's the weeds fault. you discover the kid plays games, now it's the fault of games that he's failing. you can shift blame to third-parties all you want, but you have to think that maybe the actual PERSON doesn't really care about school at all.
That's not to day they'll actually submit to this, it's not as if schools can physically restrain them and take swabs that way.
never let a good crisis go to waste
[QUOTE=Amplar;50365158]Oh no government does something to combat something illegal, but everyone up in arms because everyone does it, therefore that makes it less illegal.
Simple solution - don't do illegal drugs, and the you'll have no problems![/QUOTE]
When the law includes victimless crimes, such as drug laws, it's ridiculous to think people will obey them
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50364795]I think that is good, honestly, if your under 18 pot fucks with your brain, it's not a opinion, it's a fact.
It's a fact I have cousin who is pretty much mentally retarded, destroyed all his grades because he was smoking pot from a young age.
It's a fact that I have a few stoners in my class, all of them are absolutely failing the course. (no exceptions)
I have no problem with people smoking weed, but only if they are past the age they have mentally matured, unlike half of facepunch here...[/QUOTE]
its also a fact that anecdotal evidence can't be used as the basis for an argument.
heres my anecdote.
i have X friends who smoke weed most days and have no problem in their classes.
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