Six Flags to host Muslim Family day, conservatives outraged
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[QUOTE=GunFox;23538804]I hate organized religion and the principles upon which it stands. The texts for Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are all extraordinarily brutal and barbaric. Willingly associating yourself with them speaks volumes about your character.
Spirituality itself isn't actually a problem. Arguably it is a source of strength. But unless approached properly and with vigilance, it is also a huge weak point which can be exploited.[/QUOTE]
Ok, that is much more vaild point.
[QUOTE=Trashcan_Man;23538732]
Ha ha, what? Santa Claus is St. Nicholas.[/QUOTE]
Saint Nicholas is religious.
Santa Claus is pagan in origin.
In fact many believe that Santa Claus is based on Odin.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin#Santa_Claus[/url]
[QUOTE=Furioso;23536174]I kinda agree with how you feel but the analogy is flawed. The terrorists of 9/11 didn't bomb a church, they bombed a well-known corporate complex, and they didn't choose a religiously significant date either. If they had, shit would be different, but they didn't[/QUOTE]
They where still motivated my religious causes.
But on topic I don't think the op could of used a more biased source.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;23539051]They where still motivated my religious causes.[/QUOTE]
No, they weren't. They did it for political reasons. 9/11 was retaliation for all the shit the US and Israel did.
wait what
there were like ten muslim families at six flags last time i went
[QUOTE=zombojoe;23536527]How can anyone be outraged by this?[/QUOTE]
Special treatment due to religion isn't a good idea
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;23537326]It's stuff like this that is going to make me snap at Americans when I go there in a few weeks. Great.. I bet I will snap at the security guards too for treating me as a terrorist in the airport.[/QUOTE]
We aren't all like this, trust me. It's a small minority but a vocal one.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;23530341]EVERY DAY IS GOD DAY NOT ALLAH DAY
praise jesus[/QUOTE]
Good man Stupid.
Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the one god.
[img]http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/DJ_Novakain/HA_HA_HA_OH_WOW.jpg[/img]
I actually find it good of the Six Flag park organizers/owners for doing something like this.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23538329]What the hell? I've been banned for 'racism' before for posting images making fun of Islam. When did this become mod policy?[/QUOTE]
um
no you haven't
look at your event history
Why do most Conservatives in America seem to be huge pricks?
this is America, land of freedom and tolerance, deal with it Glenn Beck
Who even likes Six Flags anyway.
beck isn't being stupid he just said it's going to be a PR disaster
he's commenting on the fact that the American people don't give a fuck that it's the end of Ramadan, they're going to give a fuck that it's a day after the anniversary of a recent fucking terrorist attack
he's hardly attacking six flags, he's warning them
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[QUOTE=GunFox;23538804]I hate organized religion and the principles upon which it stands. The texts for Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are all extraordinarily brutal and barbaric. Willingly associating yourself with them speaks volumes about your character. [/QUOTE]
have you read it from any stance other than a pissed off atheist or even at all?
because if you actually read it like a student you'll recognize that it's a very intelligent piece that has many more themes to focus on beyond the old rules
not all of them were brutal either, the bible was quite a liberal text back then, fucks sake it had a code of conduct on how to treat slaves in there.
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talking about the jewish bible don't give a fuk about the Qu'ran or the new testament
[QUOTE=Arrows;23534361]Muslims should never get any special treatment in the western world, islam is bellow christanity/hinduism/buddism etc because of the hatred and that little event we call 9/11. What should happen is it should be a family day FOR EVERYONE not some jumped up religion.[/QUOTE]
What's Glenn Beck doing here?
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23545887]
have you read it from any stance other than a pissed off atheist or even at all?
because if you actually read it like a student you'll recognize that it's a very intelligent piece that has many more themes to focus on beyond the old rules
not all of them were brutal either, the bible was quite a liberal text back then, fucks sake it had a code of conduct on how to treat slaves in there.
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talking about the jewish bible don't give a fuk about the Qu'ran or the new testament[/QUOTE]
Oh back then it was a brilliant idea. Extremely liberal and forward thinking. If you can't bring order effectively because you do not have the means to enforce it on the people, then make the people believe that you do not need to be present for justice to be dealt. Invisible man in the sky watchin' you masturbate is a pretty slick solution.
It just doesn't work thousands of years later. Society has moved on. You can't associate yourself with those texts because how can you possibly determine what rules you do and do not follow? All three texts call for stoning people to death for a wide variety of inane crimes or even actions that aren't even remotely a crime in the western world. And stoning people to death is just the start.
If you aren't following the text, then what ARE you doing? Why follow it half way? If you feel your god is nice enough to forgive ignoring certain parts of his book, then why follow the book? Why not just follow your own ideals and make decisions based on what is right today?
Note that if your response is "But I do that!" then realize that you aren't a part of a major religion then. Going to mass and claiming to be a Christian/Jew/Muslim doesn't actually make you one. In most cases it just boxes in your thinking and prevents you from making your own decisions.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23546648]If you aren't following the text, then what ARE you doing? Why follow it half way? If you feel your god is nice enough to forgive ignoring certain parts of his book, then why follow the book? Why not just follow your own ideals and make decisions based on what is right today?
Note that if your response is "But I do that!" then realize that you aren't a part of a major religion then. Going to mass and claiming to be a Christian/Jew/Muslim doesn't actually make you one. In most cases it just boxes in your thinking and prevents you from making your own decisions.[/QUOTE]
This is such a dumb argument. The bible doesn't define a religion. Christianity and Judiasm aren't based off of the bible. They were around [I]before [/I]it existed. To be a Christian is to worship christ, that's it. I don't care if you accept all of the teachings of the bible or only the base morals, if you worship Christ that makes you a Christian and if you worship Yahweh as a descendant of Israel that makes you a Jew.
You're being far too rigid for belief. Being a "Christian" isn't following the Bible to the letter, hardly anyone outside of backwards as fuck social cultures believe that. Christians [I]know [/I]the bible was created for its own time. You also understand that fundamentalism is a tiny portion of the entire Judeo Christian world, right? Can't speak for Islam.
honestly the bible is simply an expression of the faith and a basic set of morals brought about after the concept of a singular god was brought about
the original judaic texts were written somewhere around 1500 bc, as Moses lead the Jews out of Egypt. The Jews existed before that.
Christianity and Judaism aren't based off of the text, the text is based off of them. So yes, it's perfectly reasonable to pick and choose the morals in the text that represent your own society. It's recommended by any liberal priest (which makes up a good portion of priests really. Perhaps a minority, but there are many out there if you look past the bible belt)
by your logic people who don't believe in transubstantiation aren't christian, which is just plain silly
[QUOTE=Arrows;23534361]Muslims should never get any special treatment in the western world, islam is bellow christanity/hinduism/buddism etc because of the hatred and that little event we call 9/11. What should happen is it should be a family day FOR EVERYONE not some jumped up religion.[/QUOTE]
Islam had nothing to do with 9/11, 9/11 was political.
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[QUOTE=Amplar;23535134]1 day after a couple of muslims took the lives of 3000 people? are you fucking kidding me?[/QUOTE]
again, what does islam have to do with 9/11?
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[QUOTE=the_KMM;23535702]This sums up my feelings on the mosque thing pretty well.
[img]http://www.moonbattery.com/analogyzerocomic.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
You are a fucking tool, KMM. Like every post of yours is just plain retarded.
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[QUOTE=Amplar;23537561]it's not that, it's the psychological aspect. every person on earth is racist or otherwise in some way. if some christians came and murdered your whole family, you wouldn't exactly have as high regard for christians as a whole after that situation.
all muslims are not bad, but when a couple of people of the muslim faith crash some planes and kill thousands of people, and then a theme park wants to give royalty to that religious group [i] a day after 9/11[/i] is fucking insane.
why the 12th? why not the 20th? or another month?
this muslim day is a direct retort to just get a reaction out of people.[/QUOTE]
how the fuck am I racist?
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what's the difference between the 12th and the 20th?
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[QUOTE=GunFox;23537982]
I refuse to coddle Muslims because they have a persecution complex. I will call them out for being the idiots that they are, just like the retarded fucking Christians who actively ruin my country on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]
uh, that persecution complex is a bit real, boyo
are you fucking kidding me, you don't think Muslims are persecuted at all?
i also love how you try to justify hate.
[editline]09:41PM[/editline]
way to fucking go, gunfox, you never cease to amaze me with your morally bankrupt posts.
[editline]09:42PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;23538523]If it was Christian family day instead, everyone here would be freaking out.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they have events on christmas or around that time, so no, we wouldn't.
Boba, i know you're fucking illiterate, but at least TRY to read the article.
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[QUOTE=BusterBluth;23539051]They where still motivated my religious causes.
But on topic I don't think the op could of used a more biased source.[/QUOTE]
nope, they were motivated on political causes.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23547312]This is such a dumb argument. The bible doesn't define a religion. Christianity and Judiasm aren't based off of the bible. They were around [I]before [/I]it existed. To be a Christian is to worship christ, that's it. I don't care if you accept all of the teachings of the bible or only the base morals, if you worship Christ that makes you a Christian and if you worship Yahweh as a descendant of Israel that makes you a Jew.
You're being far too rigid for belief. Being a "Christian" isn't following the Bible to the letter, hardly anyone outside of backwards as fuck social cultures believe that. Christians [I]know [/I]the bible was created for its own time. You also understand that fundamentalism is a tiny portion of the entire Judeo Christian world, right? Can't speak for Islam.
honestly the bible is simply an expression of the faith and a basic set of morals brought about after the concept of a singular god was brought about
the original judaic texts were written somewhere around 1500 bc, as Moses lead the Jews out of Egypt. The Jews existed before that.
Christianity and Judaism aren't based off of the text, the text is based off of them. So yes, it's perfectly reasonable to pick and choose the morals in the text that represent your own society. It's recommended by any liberal priest (which makes up a good portion of priests really. Perhaps a minority, but there are many out there if you look past the bible belt)
by your logic people who don't believe in transubstantiation aren't christian, which is just plain silly[/QUOTE]
i love you
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23547312]
You're being far too rigid for belief. Being a "Christian" isn't following the Bible to the letter, hardly anyone outside of backwards as fuck social cultures believe that. Christians [I]know [/I]the bible was created for its own time. You also understand that fundamentalism is a tiny portion of the entire Judeo Christian world, right? Can't speak for Islam.
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When do we get to the part where there are enough idiot Christians in the United States to sway votes against things like gay marriage?
If what you are saying is true, then the alternative is that everyone is just naturally an asshole and they aren't voting due to religious influence at all. This isn't necessarily incorrect, but it is a conclusion so unbelievably depressing, that I'd really prefer to give humanity the benefit of the doubt here.
Note that when I say asshole, I mean asshole. I expect humanity to be self serving, that is genetic and is built into mammals at a very basic level. Selfishness is how your species will prevail in evolution. However the actions taken by Christians in terms of voting just flies way into total asswipe-ville. Not self serving at all. It seriously just requires someone to be a total asshole.
Let's review!
No Gay marriage
No Stem cell research
No human cloning
No abortion
pushing intelligent design in schools
pushing abstinence only education in schools
censorship in media
No Same sex couple adoption
These are just the topics I can pull out of my ass right now.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23548499]When do we get to the part where there are enough idiot Christians in the United States to sway votes against things like gay marriage?
If what you are saying is true, then the alternative is that everyone is just naturally an asshole and they aren't voting due to religious influence at all. This isn't necessarily incorrect, but it is a conclusion so unbelievably depressing, that I'd really prefer to give humanity the benefit of the doubt here.
Note that when I say asshole, I mean asshole. I expect humanity to be self serving, that is genetic and is built into mammals at a very basic level. Selfishness is how your species will prevail in evolution. However the actions taken by Christians in terms of voting just flies way into total asswipe-ville. Not self serving at all. It seriously just requires someone to be a total asshole.
Let's review!
No Gay marriage
No Stem cell research
No human cloning
No abortion
pushing intelligent design in schools
pushing abstinence only education in schools
censorship in media
No Same sex couple adoption
These are just the topics I can pull out of my ass right now.[/QUOTE]
Your religion merely mirrors your own personal values, which are formed by your culture.
The northeast is plenty religious - we've Italians up here, notorious for being very religious. But here's the thing; most of the Northeast is also liberal. Even our conservatives are liberal; the conservatives we've got up there are only fiscal for the most part and should be considered more libertarian.
And so, because the north is more liberal, our churches respect that. Sure, they don't promote gay marriage, but I've spoken with many a priest in CT who has said the purest reason not to oppose it, it's not his business. Hell, my priest was avidly pro-choice.
Nothing is due to one reason. People don't vote one way just because of god. There's political reasons behind everything, there's the desire to form into groups. This whole causation effect is rampant on Facepunch, everyone seems to ignore the fact that Religion and spirituality, while apparently very static, is extremely pliable. It depends on the person you're dealing with.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23548499]When do we get to the part where there are enough idiot Christians in the United States to sway votes against things like gay marriage?
If what you are saying is true, then the alternative is that everyone is just naturally an asshole and they aren't voting due to religious influence at all. This isn't necessarily incorrect, but it is a conclusion so unbelievably depressing, that I'd really prefer to give humanity the benefit of the doubt here.
Note that when I say asshole, I mean asshole. I expect humanity to be self serving, that is genetic and is built into mammals at a very basic level. Selfishness is how your species will prevail in evolution. However the actions taken by Christians in terms of voting just flies way into total asswipe-ville. Not self serving at all. It seriously just requires someone to be a total asshole.
Let's review!
No Gay marriage
No Stem cell research
No human cloning
No abortion
pushing intelligent design in schools
pushing abstinence only education in schools
censorship in media
No Same sex couple adoption
These are just the topics I can pull out of my ass right now.[/QUOTE]
Way to confuse the right wing with normal people. I can name you many devote Christians who:
are for gay marriage
agree with stem cell research
agree with human cloning
agree with abnortion
agree with secular education
agree with contraceptive education
could give two shits about shit on the media
agree with same sex adoption.
Do they have a Christian Family Day? A Jewish one? How about Hindu? If not, then I am outraged, but I really don't care if they do have those days.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23535702]This sums up my feelings on the mosque thing pretty well.
[IMG]http://www.moonbattery.com/analogyzerocomic.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
You just SOUND stupid.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;23537326]It's stuff like this that is going to make me snap at Americans when I go there in a few weeks. Great.. I bet I will snap at the security guards too for treating me as a terrorist in the airport.[/QUOTE]
Your fault for being brown
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and Swedish
i want a gay day
it even rhymes
itd be great gays from across the country could come together with rainbow flags and ride the rollercoasters and scream like little girls
Beck's a moron but it was probably a bad idea to pick September 12th.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23549113]Way to confuse the right wing with normal people. I can name you many devote Christians who:
are for gay marriage
agree with stem cell research
agree with human cloning
agree with abnortion
agree with secular education
agree with contraceptive education
could give two shits about shit on the media
agree with same sex adoption.[/QUOTE]
And those aren't the people to which I refer. They aren't the problem.
As much as I'd like to believe most are as you say, the truth remains that we have shot down gay marriage and many other laws repeatedly in the United States. Abortion had to be taken to the supreme court and still gets regularly challenged and states constantly try to worm around it. It wouldn't be possible to shoot these down unless we still had a severe infestation of bible thumping idiots.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23549939]And those aren't the people to which I refer. They aren't the problem.
As much as I'd like to believe most are as you say, the truth remains that we have shot down gay marriage and many other laws repeatedly in the United States. Abortion had to be taken to the supreme court and still gets regularly challenged and states constantly try to worm around it. It wouldn't be possible to shoot these down unless we still had a severe infestation of bible thumping idiots.[/QUOTE]
but in your posts you weren't being clear who it was you were hating. you were making yourself sound like you're one of those types who view all religion as being a cancer
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23550002]but in your posts you weren't being clear who it was you were hating. you were making yourself sound like you're one of those types who view all religion as being a cancer[/QUOTE]
I view current organized religion as a massive cancer on society. I stated earlier that I didn't have a problem with spirituality itself.
I understand the need to worship as a group, but the structure of our current religions is such that it just begs to be exploited.
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