Iran violates sanctions, UN security council divided - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41533905]They seem reluctant at best. I think it's pretty clear that China and Russia are not against the Iranian nuclear program which is why their last votes in favor of sanctions were 3 years ago.[/QUOTE] Except you just said their last vote in favor was in 7 years ago, which was clearly wrong. They've also been supporting investigations into whether or not Iran violated sanctions. That's a no-win if they support Iran. Either they find nothing, and status quo. Or they find something, and then they get to look like idiots voting against it. [editline]20th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;41533905] [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4405634,00.html"]Just a few days ago[/URL]: Russia, China block UN condemnation of Iran[/QUOTE] That's reporting on the same thing as the post in the OP...

[QUOTE=scout1;41533857][url=http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2010/sc9948.doc.htm]And in 2010[/url] [url=http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/sc10276.doc.htm]They also supported the experts panel (in 2011) which they're now deciding not to agree with, for whatever reasons which I haven't looked into to at the moment[/url] [url=http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2012/sc10666.doc.htm]Twice. (This in 2012)[/url][/QUOTE] Outdated, and voting for the panels (with China/Russia stressing on it's objectivity) is different than supporting sanctions. [URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/22/world/meast/iran-sanctions"]2011: Russia slams new sanctions against Iran [/URL][URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4405634,00.html"]Just a few days ago[/URL]: Russia, China block UN condemnation of Iran Laserguided was correct.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;41533645]Same with Iran, being the [I]perfectly reasonable[/I] oppressive-theocratic-dictatorship that they are![/QUOTE] If you're talking about irresponsible use of power look no further than the USA.

[QUOTE=scout1;41533935]Except you just said their last vote in favor was in 7 years ago, which was clearly wrong. They've also been supporting investigations into whether or not Iran violated sanctions. That's a no-win if they support Iran. Either they find nothing, and status quo. Or they find something, and then they get to look like idiots voting against it. [editline]20th July 2013[/editline] That's reporting on the same thing as the post in the OP...[/QUOTE] OK they didn't change their mind in 2006. They changed their mind in 2010/2011, I don't even see how this is relevant to the original point.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41533967]OK they didn't change their mind in 2006. They changed their mind in 2010/2011, I don't even see how this is relevant to the original point.[/QUOTE] 2011 at best, and they've supported several rounds of sanctions against Iran. Iran's been trumpeting the horrible imperials of the west far longer than that. It's also popular to pretend this is some big bad US scheme to bully poor little Iran when it fact it garners international support, and was since the beginning. [quote=http://www.globalpolicy.org/security-council/index-of-countries-on-the-security-council-agenda/iran.html]Iran Sanctions Vote Signals a Global Rift (March 5, 2008) Despite a 14-0 vote in the Security Council, UN member states disagreed over extending sanctions against Iran. The Christian Science Monitor reports that South Africa, Vietnam, Indonesia and Libya insisted that the case against Iran was unproven and that the country needed more time to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency. In response to the sanctions, Iran stated that the decision was the work of a few powers to advance their own agenda.[/quote]

[QUOTE=demoguy08;41533845]Either we hurt their feelings or we face potential conflict on a massive scale The choice is quite easy.[/QUOTE] Except when you hurt their feelings you're more likely to start a conflict. Punishing a nation harshly leads often to thoughts of revenge. World War II was really caused by Germany being extremely mad about the huge reparations they had after losing World War I.

[QUOTE=scout1;41534046]2011 at best, and they've supported several rounds of sanctions against Iran. Iran's been trumpeting the horrible imperials of the west far longer than that. It's also popular to pretend this is some big bad US scheme to bully poor little Iran when it fact it garners international support, and was since the beginning.[/QUOTE] And why do you think the support for the campaign to "stop Iran" is dwindling and losing member-state supporters as each year passes?

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41534122]And why do you think the support for the campaign to "stop Iran" is dwindling and losing member-state supporters as each year passes?[/QUOTE] Surely it has nothing to do with the weariness of having to deal with a nation that refuses to listen to international rules, or a return to normal politics where the US and Russia have to be on opposing sides of any issue.

[QUOTE=scout1;41534153][B]Surely it has nothing to do with the weariness of having to deal with a nation that refuses to listen to international rules[/B], or a return to normal politics where the US and Russia have to be on opposing sides of any issue.[/QUOTE] Nations are becoming skeptical of the claim that Iran is developing nukes because they... don't want to have to deal with Iran? I don't think you're being honest with yourself.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41534248]Nations are becoming skeptical of the claim that Iran is developing nukes because they... don't want to have to deal with Iran? I don't think you're being honest with yourself.[/QUOTE] The reason sanctions are in place and the reason nations support sanctions are not one and the same