Why It's Hard To Talk About Attraction In Race And Culture - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sp00ks;43788234]wow, it's almost as if you're very racist.[/QUOTE] I remember reading a [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3341166/Harvards-baby-brain-research-lab.html]study[/url] that showed that babies preferred faces of their own skin colour. Babies are obviously very racist and prejudiced. 10/10 top post.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;43767844]Yeah that happened to me. Dated an Iranian girl who couldn't even come out to see me because her family demanded that she marry an Iranian man. Haunts me to this day, seeing as she told me she had to cut me off because her "Fiance" was getting jealous. Loved that girl to death. [B]This is one of the reasons why Islamic culture needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.[/B][/QUOTE] Wow wow wow the fuck Also Arabic women are cute, there's a lot of people from Maghreb around where I live due to the region's history with France and some of them are really pretty.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;43783789]Ooh, actually, I'm afraid I can't abide purple women. They're lazy and entitled and don't believe their actions have consequences. It's just a cultural thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah, when you put it like that... I guess you're right.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43778202]Race is generally rejected as a concept entirely. In other words, it doesn't fucking exist. And before anybody says something incredibly moronic like "if race doesn't exist how are there racists?" then consider that racism comes from how racists see race, and not the other way around. There is no essential quality to a person being black. Genetically, culturally, emotionally, whatever scale you choose there are more differences [I]among[/I] "races" than there are between them.[/QUOTE] You're wrong even on a biological level. Read about any of the recent discoveries pertaining to different races DNAs compositions. You'd have to be a pretty stupid PCnut to think race isn't real. The real question is should they matter to people? Answer to that is of course not.

[QUOTE=Aman;43791455]You're wrong even on a biological level. Read about any of the recent discoveries pertaining to different races DNAs compositions.[/QUOTE] The "recent discoveries" say that there's no fucking correlation between race and genetics.

I'm Caucasian and am attracted to other Caucasians, so I see the connection there. But then there's a singular other race I'm attracted to and I don't know why. Maybe because I prefer someone being cute over hot and they tend to be that? Who knows!? [sp]No, it's not Asians like that one dating site survey would have you believe.[/sp] [editline]4th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43791594]The "recent discoveries" say that there's no fucking correlation between race and genetics.[/QUOTE] By your logic if two white parents had a kid he could be the darkest child in the universe without any sort of birth defects. [editline]4th February 2014[/editline] Unless I'm missing something

[QUOTE=gk99;43791644]By your logic if two white parents had a kid he could be the darkest child in the universe without any sort of birth defects. [editline]4th February 2014[/editline] Unless I'm missing something[/QUOTE] Way to miss the fucking point. Race is not skin color.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43791594]The "recent discoveries" say that there's no fucking correlation between race and genetics.[/QUOTE] WHAT? HAHAHAHAHA. You know we can find out EXACTLY WHERE YOUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM through your mtDNA or some shit, RIGHT? [editline]4th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43791911]Way to miss the fucking point. Race is not skin color.[/QUOTE] WAT

[QUOTE=be;43791943]WHAT? HAHAHAHAHA. You know we can find out EXACTLY WHERE YOUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM through your mtDNA or some shit, RIGHT? [editline]4th February 2014[/editline] WAT[/QUOTE] Race is not ethnicity either. Learn the terminology before you act like a fuckwit.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43791911]Way to miss the fucking point. Race is not skin color.[/QUOTE] Dude, skin color is one of the biggest ways to differentiate between the races. There are other differences, but most if not all of them still have something to do with the physical appearance of the race in question. And ALL of those differences are biologically derived, an evolutionary adaptation to the environment the particular race originated from. So yeah, there's a pretty fucking big correlation between race and genetics.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43791911]Way to miss the fucking point. Race is not skin color.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/6KnqX.png[/img] k

[QUOTE=gk99;43792116][img]http://puu.sh/6KnqX.png[/img] k[/QUOTE] Why even, why make a big deal about races? I mean, it's, I mean, you know: as long as everybody gets to the finish line. There is no, are no, losers or winNERS. Why can't all of us, just, enjoy the freshair?

The definition of race depends on the context. In sociological terms, race is something defined by the dominant group(whites) to group minorities. It's why those "yellow" people with chinky eyes fall into the asian category despite all of them being from radically different areas, having very different cultures, and generally have a hatred for another people also classified as asian. Back in the old days, the only races in the US were White, Chinese, black, and other. Over the years it's gotten more specific

[QUOTE=gk99;43792116][img]http://puu.sh/6KnqX.png[/img] k[/QUOTE] I can quote from dictionaries too. Actually, I'll do one better and quote from Wikipedia: [quote]There is a wide consensus that the racial categories that are common in everyday usage are socially constructed, and that racial groups cannot be biologically defined.[/quote] Or how about the Encyclopedia Britannica (this is just in the initial "sample" on the website): [quote]Genetic studies in the late 20th century refuted the existence of biogenetically distinct races, and scholars now argue that “races” are cultural interventions reflecting specific attitudes and beliefs that were imposed on different populations in the wake of western European conquests beginning in the 15th century....[/quote] Or encyclopedia.com: [quote]Race is not skin color, nor is it ethnic identity. It is not reducible to genetics. Indeed, there is much more genetic and physiological variation within the members of any given race than between individuals of different races.[/quote] The point is that race is entirely socially constructed.

[QUOTE=gk99;43792116][IMG]http://puu.sh/6KnqX.png[/IMG] k[/QUOTE] As far as what people mean when they use the word 'race', this is what they are referring to. However, biologically (and this is taught in almost any intro-level anthro/soc/etc. class) there is no such thing as distinct 'races' whatsoever. There are more differences between one race than between two of them, but even that is assuming that one can exist somewhere in someone's DNA. At best, you could consider certain groupings of physical characteristics (largely superficial ones) into 'races' such as 'afro-caribbean' or 'asiatic', but given the same conditions in a society, these have little to no impact on who you are as a person.

Race preference is like preffering a hair color or eye color or height or cup size, it shouldnt be looked at any differently because its gone further than that in the past.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;43795375]Race preference is like preffering a hair color or eye color or height or cup size, it shouldnt be looked at any differently because its gone further than that in the past.[/QUOTE] except for when you have people say they don't like black chicks because of their sense of entitlement

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43795443]except for when you have people say they don't like black chicks because of their sense of entitlement[/QUOTE] You know, that still isn't necessarily racist. He never claimed that their race is what caused the sense of entitlement. It may very well be that experience has led him to correlate entitlement with black skin color and we all know that correlation =/= causation, but it is still applicable when living one's life. One concrete example that I know of is the large number of people I know who work as a waiter/waitress. They all have unanimously agreed that black people generally give lower tips (many times below the normal 15%) and are generally more difficult to wait on. None of them attribute it to their race or any other genetic factor. It's simply a correlation that is generally true, for whatever reason. This also applies to older people who are often ignorant about the normal tipping amounts and might leave a $10 on the table after a $200 meal. None of this implies or claims any sort of causation, just simple correlation.

[QUOTE=sgman91;43795511]You know, that still isn't necessarily racist. He never claimed that their race is what caused the sense of entitlement. It may very well be that experience has led him to correlate entitlement with black skin color and we all know that correlation =/= causation, but it is still applicable when living one's life. One concrete example that I know of is the large number of people I know who work as a waiter/waitress. They all have unanimously agreed that black people generally give lower tips (many times below the normal 15%) and are generally more difficult to wait on. None of them attribute it to their race or any other genetic factor. It's simply a correlation that is generally true, for whatever reason. This also applies to older people who are often ignorant about the normal tipping amounts and might leave a $10 on the table after a $200 meal. None of this implies or claims any sort of causation, just simple correlation.[/QUOTE] yeah but you see, saying all black people give lower tips is racist too so yes it is necessarily racist. it's attributing the actions of some to everyone with that skin colour, which is....wait for it.... racism! [editline]5th February 2014[/editline] i hate black people because they don't respect white women. oh this isn't racist though, it's just simple correlation, most black people i know have disrespected white women [editline]5th February 2014[/editline] i guess my sarcasm is a bit far, the dude didn't say he wouldn't get with black chicks cause he hates them, but still, you get what i mean right? when you 'correlate' things with people just because of their skin colour that is racism

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43798221]is generalizing and being racist the same thing?[/QUOTE] Generally.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43798221]is generalizing and being racist the same thing?[/QUOTE] Kinda, if it's generalizing based on race then it gets really...blurred. I wouldn't really call it racist, just stupid, but you COULD call it racist, but it isn't the same kind of racism as people are typically used to.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43795519]yeah but you see, saying all black people give lower tips is racist too so yes it is necessarily racist. it's attributing the actions of some to everyone with that skin colour, which is....wait for it.... racism![/QUOTE] Good thing I never said that, nice strawman though. I clearly said black people generally give lower tips, which very specifically isn't the same as "all black people give lower tips." This is either true or false. My opinion and your opinion is irrelevant. [QUOTE]i hate black people because they don't respect white women. oh this isn't racist though, it's just simple correlation, most black people i know have disrespected white women[/QUOTE] No one has even come close to saying they hate black people... another strawman to add to the list. If you want to make an actual analogy please do, but at least make it comparable. [QUOTE]When you 'correlate' things with people just because of their skin colour that is racism[/QUOTE] Either a correlation exists or it doesn't. "I" didn't correlate them... they ARE correlated. To ignore this correlation is to ignore truth. The interesting question is what the cause might be (obviously not their skin color). I didn't correlate it "because of their skin color." I correlated them because it's true and very strongly effects the lives of waiters and waitresses. I've heard multiple stories of people fighting to not get tables with groups of black people because a lower tip is essentially guaranteed. [editline]5th February 2014[/editline] Oh, and here's a Cornell report on the tipping discrepancy in question: [URL]https://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-13851.html[/URL] Even when adjusted for socioeconomic status and quality of service given blacks tip less on average than whites. These differences are important to talk about because they have real world negative effects like a restaurant not wanting to open in a black areas.

i'm sure you could use statistics to 'correlate' that more blacks commit crimes than whites. it would still be racist to say 'i don't wanna date a black because of their criminal lifestyle'

[QUOTE=sgman91;43799709] I didn't correlate it "because of their skin color." I correlated them because it's true and very strongly effects the lives of waiters and waitresses. I've heard multiple stories of people fighting to not get tables with groups of black people because a lower tip is essentially guaranteed. [editline]5th February 2014[/editline] Oh, and here's a Cornell report on the tipping discrepancy in question: [URL]https://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-13851.html[/URL] Even when adjusted for socioeconomic status and quality of service given blacks tip less on average than whites. These differences are important to talk about because they have real world negative effects like a restaurant not wanting to open in a black areas.[/QUOTE] What I think many people seem to forget is that generalizing a whole group of people by their skin tone is ignorant. Many negative stereotypes are attributed to people of color and in turn cause strife within their daily lives, and in the realm of relationships as referenced in the topic article. And to quote your report [QUOTE]Blacks tip less than do Whites in many (but not all) other service contexts[/QUOTE] since I am not a Cornell member I can only read the synopsis and can not truly read the full study. However that causes the title of the Cornell report to be misleading....

[QUOTE=SCWashu;43802788]And to quote your report since I am not a Cornell member I can only read the synopsis and can not truly read the full study. However that causes the title of the Cornell report to be misleading....[/QUOTE] Do you have any reason to assume the synopsys is misrepresenting the data other than your own opinion? After some poking around I've run across this analysis of the actual numbers: [URL]http://tippingresearch.com/uploads/blk_wht_tipping.pdf[/URL] [editline]5th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SCWashu;43802788]What I think many people seem to forget is that generalizing a whole group of people by their skin tone is ignorant.[/QUOTE] Correlations are a necessary part of living. One must take experience, see trends within those experiences, and make choices based on the most likely outcome. For example: If I were a restaurant owner looking for a place to open a new business it would be completely logical to open one in a more white area over a more black area, even if everything else were equal. The generally higher tips cause staff to have higher retention rates and therefore less training costs. There's nothing ignorant or illogical about that choice based on this correlation. [QUOTE]Many negative stereotypes are attributed to people of color and in turn cause strife within their daily lives, and in the realm of relationships as referenced in the topic article. [/QUOTE] In my opinion, there would be much less strife if one could be open with these things without being branded a racist. Society as a whole would fare much better if we could point out these types of differences, find the causes, and directly address those causes. Instead we oftentimes address the symptom and call those who try to find the causes racist.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;43792595]Why even, why make a big deal about races? I mean, it's, I mean, you know: as long as everybody gets to the finish line. There is no, are no, losers or winNERS. Why can't all of us, just, enjoy the freshair?[/QUOTE] I feel as if there is a subtle joke you're making with the weird spellings you have going on.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43792776]I can quote from dictionaries too. Actually, I'll do one better and quote from Wikipedia: Or how about the Encyclopedia Britannica (this is just in the initial "sample" on the website): Or encyclopedia.com: The point is that race is entirely socially constructed.[/QUOTE] Motherfucker, I just remembered that my American History professor was talking about this last week. Should have remembered that before I posted my dumbass statement.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;43768433]Even when he's gone, he manages to derail threads.[/QUOTE] Don't you see? It was never thisispain, the power to shitpost was in us all along~