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[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;45805781]I still won't drive an EV.[/QUOTE]
Why not?
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;45803906]Elon Musk is one of those rare saints who actually puts delivering a good product or service [i]above[/i] just "existing to make money", and he's still filthy goddamn rich over it.
Imagine that.[/QUOTE]
b-but just imagine all the MORE money he could get if he started charging for it! think of the profits!!!
[QUOTE=codemaster85;45805726]texas is actually less southern than Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and mississippi.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. But by the end of 2014 all those states will have supercharger.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;45805922]b-but just imagine all the MORE money he could get if he started charging for it! think of the profits!!![/QUOTE]
But he'd lose a lot of customers. Superchargers will be pretty much everywhere and still free when the Model 3 comes out.
Imagine buying a car that costs almost nothing to run.
Also the stations receive more electricity from the sun than they can give away so I guess that's why it wouldn't be that bad of an idea to give away free power.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;45805781]I still won't drive an EV.[/QUOTE]
keep on rollin that coal :J
I won't be driving an EV for at least a decade. I'm thinking insurance costs will skyrocket, and car insurance is mandatory.
But once I know how insurance will play out, I may get one as a DD and keep my mustang for a weekend warrior.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45806515]I won't be driving an EV for at least a decade. I'm thinking insurance costs will skyrocket, and car insurance is mandatory.
But once I know how insurance will play out, I may get one as a DD and keep my mustang for a weekend warrior.[/QUOTE]
Why would insurance costs go up? EVs are safer than equivalent tier IC vehicles.
[QUOTE=Zombii;45806569]Why would insurance costs go up? EVs are safer than equivalent tier IC vehicles.[/QUOTE]
That may be true when it comes to medical, but not true as far as comprehensive/collision coverage. That's going to be determined by the structure of the vehicle.
If someone hits the rear side of my mustang, it might break some control arms, but the power train will largely be in tact. A rear side impact on a tesla could mess up the electric motor, meaning it would need to be replaced. That means higher cost to fix and higher insurance.
I could be wrong, but it's all about how insurance companies down here look at it.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45806760]That may be true when it comes to medical, but not true as far as comprehensive/collision coverage. That's going to be determined by the structure of the vehicle.
If someone hits the rear side of my mustang, it might break some control arms, but the power train will largely be in tact. A rear side impact on a tesla could mess up the electric motor, meaning it would need to be replaced. That means higher cost to fix and higher insurance.
I could be wrong, but it's all about how insurance companies down here look at it.[/QUOTE]
The tesla is the highest rated vehicle in safety right now IIRC
How and why exactly would anyone look at it and go "Oh, that's more unsafe than a lower rated vehicle"
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45806766]The tesla is the highest rated vehicle in safety right now IIRC
How and why exactly would anyone look at it and go "Oh, that's more unsafe than a lower rated vehicle"[/QUOTE]
It's not about safety. It's about comprehensive and collision. Safety only matters when it comes to medical. This is about costs to physically fix the car itself, not the passengers.
Wouldn't you expect a parity in how strong the vehicle is in crashes if it has such a strong safety rating? In terms of damage to the car?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45806823]Wouldn't you expect a parity in how strong the vehicle is in crashes if it has such a strong safety rating? In terms of damage to the car?[/QUOTE]
Not at all. Safety and crash test ratings are based on passenger safety, not car safety. The reason safety is so high is because of "crumple zones" and such. The car breaks in ways that absorb the energy of the crash instead of transferring it to the passengers. This helps increase safety for passengers. The car breaks and absorbs the energy that would have been passed to the passenger...
Uuhh...Doesn't the electricity come from mainly gas and coal anyway?
noone's actually cutting emissions, at least not by any useful degree, are they?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45806879]Not at all. Safety and crash test ratings are based on passenger safety, not car safety. The reason safety is so high is because of "crumple zones" and such. The car breaks in ways that absorb the energy of the crash instead of transferring it to the passengers. This helps increase safety for passengers. The car breaks and absorbs the energy that would have been passed to the passenger...[/QUOTE]
i'd rather pay to replace my car than have a dead family
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[QUOTE=mini me;45806891]Uuhh...Doesn't the electricity come from mainly gas and coal anyway?
noone's actually cutting emissions, at least not by any useful degree, are they?[/QUOTE]
powerplants are far more efficient converters of gas/coal to energy than IC engines
it actually does cut emissions, plus if your powerplant is using solar or w/e then it is less
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45806806]It's not about safety. It's about comprehensive and collision. Safety only matters when it comes to medical. This is about costs to physically fix the car itself, not the passengers.[/QUOTE]
From what I've seen Tesla's are built pretty sturdy. Unfortunately a lot of other cars aren't, and if being hit by a Tesla means your car is going to be totaled/occupants seriously injured insurers are probably going to jack up the rates for Tesla drivers.
yeah but this one time i tried to use one of their dealerships' wifi to get directions on my phone but it was password protected so fuck tesla
[QUOTE=mini me;45806891]Uuhh...Doesn't the electricity come from mainly gas and coal anyway?
noone's actually cutting emissions, at least not by any useful degree, are they?[/QUOTE]
I had a post about this in the last tesla thread. Studies show an EV in a worst case scenario (100% coal power grid) are about equal to a 30 mpg gas vehicle. I'll try to find it later.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;45806928]From what I've seen Tesla's are built pretty sturdy. Unfortunately a lot of other cars aren't, and if being hit by a Tesla means your car is going to be totaled/occupants seriously injured insurers are probably going to jack up the rates for Tesla drivers.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't this apply to SUVs/Trucks if that was the case?
How are they planning on dealing with demand? Once electrics cars become popular there are gonna need to be a shit ton of charging stations since each one gets taken up for 20-40 mins at a time.
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;45803893]The idea of powering a car for free feels fucking weird to me. Regardless, I hope it catches on in southern US areas one day.[/QUOTE]
I think it depends on what model of car you have. I think the 2nd cheapest Tesla and up in terms of how much it costs gives you a lifetime of free recharging at superchargers, and you can add that same service to the cheapest tesla for like $2000 I think.
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[QUOTE=mini me;45806891]Uuhh...Doesn't the electricity come from mainly gas and coal anyway?
noone's actually cutting emissions, at least not by any useful degree, are they?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/where-the-world-gets-its-electricity.jpg[/img]
While gas and goal do have a majority, gas is infinitely cleaner than coal power. Hydro-electric and Nuclear have a very large chunk of production for world power too (exceeding 25% of produced electricity world wide)
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As far as supercharger location goes, I love how quickly they're rolling this stuff out.
This is their projected coverage for the end of 2014
North America:
[t]http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/supercharger/maps/superchargerlandingpagemaps_2014-11072014.jpg[/t]
Europe:
[t]http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/supercharger/maps/eu_supercharger_comingsoon_82514.jpg[/t]
Asia:
[t]http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/supercharger/maps/china_supercharger_opennow_81714.png[/t]
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;45806915]i'd rather pay to replace my car than have a dead family[/QUOTE]
Completely not the point.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;45806928]From what I've seen Tesla's are built pretty sturdy. Unfortunately a lot of other cars aren't, and if being hit by a Tesla means your car is going to be totaled/occupants seriously injured insurers are probably going to jack up the rates for Tesla drivers.[/QUOTE]
Also not the point.
Let's see if you guys can wrap your head around this:
FORGET ABOUT LIABILITY/MEDICAL COVERAGE. This has NOTHING to do with people.
There are things called comprehensive and collision coverage. Comprehensive covers projectiles and such that damage your vehicle (rock flies and busts out a window, etc...). Collision covers damage to YOUR vehicle from collision. This way, instead of paying the full repair bill, you only pay a deductible.
If my mustang gets hit, it's parts are mass produced enough that it won't be expensive to fix. Because teslas aren't mass produced yet, parts are more expensive for it. Also, you have to look at frame/drivetrain parts that may get damaged with a collision. This will drive up the price of comprehensive and collision coverage for a few years after they become mainstream.
I wouldn't mind having one, but not if I have to pay $300 per month for insurance....
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I wouldn't mind having one, but not if I have to pay $300 per month for insurance....[/QUOTE]
Right now, if you can afford the $1200/mo for a Tesla, $300/mo for insurance is nothing. (Although I doubt it'd be THAT high. Probably like $150-$200/mo)
Once Teslas become more affordable to the general public insurance cost will also come down.
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Actually I just looked, apparently a lot of people are getting insurance on Teslas through Geico for like $100-$150/mo
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45806766]The tesla is the highest rated vehicle in safety right now IIRC
How and why exactly would anyone look at it and go "Oh, that's more unsafe than a lower rated vehicle"[/QUOTE]
Safety doesnt mean shit with vehicle insurance. Its the cost of repairing it, how often is that vehicle broken into or stolen, and the type of vehicle it is.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;45807302]Safety doesnt mean shit with vehicle insurance. Its the cost of repairing it, how often is that vehicle broken into or stolen, and the type of vehicle it is.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the safety rating is taken into account as well.
A really good example is my friend's truck, which has a high rate of rollovers, has higher insurance premium than similar models with a lower rate of rollovers.
[QUOTE=Telepethi;45807162]Right now, if you can afford the $1200/mo for a Tesla, $300/mo for insurance is nothing. (Although I doubt it'd be THAT high. Probably like $150-$200/mo)
Once Teslas become more affordable to the general public insurance cost will also come down.
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Actually I just looked, apparently a lot of people are getting insurance on Teslas through Geico for like $100-$150/mo[/QUOTE]
Some people also pay $120/mo to insure their Mustang GTs as well, but even with a spotless record, it's costing me $190/month through State Farm (Gieco wanted like $250 for the same coverage).
It's not something you can predict until they become prevalent enough. There are too many factors at play.
How old are you? Age and Gender play a pretty big role in your premium. Same goes for driving record.
Younger people driving sporty cars will always have a higher premium because, statistically speaking, younger people are more unpredictable.
Insurance prices usually take around a 20% drop when you hit about 25. I'm 23, and I'll be paying $4600 a year for my Model S (More than the 6 other cars on the plan combined - nearly shit my pants). When I turn 25, I'll be paying around $3600.
In contrast, my 62 year old dad would only pay $600 a year.
To people saying that something "mysterious" or "horrible" might happen to him because of the existing energy industry, consider this:
If he had tried and succeed at this 20 years ago, they [b]might[/b] have considered discrediting him or ruining him in some way. Now, however, he's started things at the perfect moment. People are genuinely considering pulling away from traditional energy/fuel sources and using alternative energy, and with Musk leading the way, none of the existing energy companies will have to do the hard work.
They'll let him pave the way, and then silently follow in tow, developing their own infrastructure.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45806879]Not at all. Safety and crash test ratings are based on passenger safety, not car safety. The reason safety is so high is because of "crumple zones" and such. The car breaks in ways that absorb the energy of the crash instead of transferring it to the passengers. This helps increase safety for passengers. The car breaks and absorbs the energy that would have been passed to the passenger...[/QUOTE]
This is actually a very good point - I'm pretty sure most collisions requiring structural repair to the Tesla is going to necessitate replacement of the battery pack, since any damage to the lithium batteries could have some pretty catastrophic consequences further down the line. I don't imagine that kind of replacement is very cheap.
[QUOTE=Telepethi;45807069]I think it depends on what model of car you have. I think the 2nd cheapest Tesla and up in terms of how much it costs gives you a lifetime of free recharging at superchargers, and you can add that same service to the cheapest tesla for like $2000 I think.
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North America:
[t]http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/supercharger/maps/superchargerlandingpagemaps_2014-11072014.jpg[/t]
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Wow, they're building one in my small Indiana town, Terre Haute Indiana, that's awesome.
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