California Democrats decriminalizes child prostitution (not solicitation of them) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51600962]When it doubt go with the title in the article. Both articles have the same title. Don't criticize me for it.[/QUOTE] Stop posting dogshit articles then

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51601127]But that's what the thread is about.[/QUOTE] He made the assertion that selling your body for money automatically makes you a victim, I was questioning that line of thought, I don't think it holds water.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51601118]If you're willingly, with consent, selling your own body for money, does that really make you a victim? Are brothel workers in NV victims?[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, some of them are but the buyers are definitely not. If we're not gonna decriminalize prostitution entirely, keeping the sellers out of trouble is the best situation.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;51601145]Not necessarily, some of them are but the buyers are definitely not. If we're not gonna decriminalize prostitution entirely, keeping the sellers out of trouble is the best situation.[/QUOTE] If someone gets arrested for buying a prostitute, and that prostitute goes on to continue selling their body, and continues to get men arrested for paying for her service, of her own free will, that seems a bit fucked up to me? Either it should be a crime, and you should try to deter it from happening, or it isn't and you should regulate it to minimize the danger, this half-legal bullshit is dumb.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51601118]If you're willingly, with consent, selling your own body for money, does that really make you a victim? Are brothel workers in NV victims?[/QUOTE] If we're not talking about minors, then no, I don't think so. That's why I personally think prostitution [I](not counting minors)[/I] should be legal and regulated. If you think there is a victim, then arguing that the prostitute should be punished is senseless. If you think there is no victim, then there shouldn't be a crime.

Pimping children is still illegal, but being a child sex worker or sex slave is no longer a crime in itself. There's a debate to be had on prostitution more generally, but no matter what, child sex workers are victims, end of. They have no legal ability to consent. Anyone who has sex with them is committing a sex crime. The assumption [I]should[/I] be that child sex workers are forced or coerced into it by legal adults, and that inherently makes them victims and not perpetrators. This is a [I]very[/I] good thing - it means a kidnapped 8-year-old sex slave won't go to the courts and get slammed with sex crimes for prostitution. It doesn't surprise me that California is the first to adopt this - it's such a Democrat stronghold state that their own competitors are Democrats. There aren't any Republicans strong enough to go "they voted for child prostitution" and spin this negatively. Most other states, nobody would [I]touch[/I] laws related to child sex trafficking or prostitution, other than increasing penalties, unless they wanted their head on a spike.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51601118]If you're willingly, with consent, selling your own body for money, does that really make you a victim? Are brothel workers in NV victims?[/QUOTE] often, they are. Imagine a sex worker gets attacked by a customer one night. If selling sex is illegal, the sex worker cannot report this crime to the police for fear of being arrested themselves. Personally, I think prostitution should be legalised and regulated, but otherwise at least this much is necessary, to protect people in vulnerable positions.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51601155]If someone gets arrested for buying a prostitute, and that prostitute goes on to continue selling their body, and continues to get men arrested for paying for her service, of her own free will, that seems a bit fucked up to me? Either it should be a crime, and you should try to deter it from happening, or it isn't and you should regulate it to minimize the danger, this half-legal bullshit is dumb.[/QUOTE] Why is it "fucked"? You're not forced to solicit a prostitute. You're 100% free to choose for yourself if you want to go to jail. As explained in the posts above, this kind of law exists for one reason alone; to protect victims of human trafficking and the like. Any argument one could make about how this is "unfair" or such falls completely flat in comparison. I agree that regulating it would be a better solution, but that's not the reality in which we live.

This just sounds like a common sense thing to do. No need to further ruin the child's life. [QUOTE=soulharvester;51601155]If someone gets arrested for buying a prostitute, and that prostitute goes on to continue selling their body, and continues to get men arrested for paying for her service, of her own free will, that seems a bit fucked up to me? Either it should be a crime, and you should try to deter it from happening, or it isn't and you should regulate it to minimize the danger, this half-legal bullshit is dumb.[/QUOTE] This isn't half-legal. They just aren't punishing the underaged prostitutes. There is a difference between decriminalizing and legalizing something. I agree that adult consensual prostitution should be legal to bring it out of the black market so it can be regulated safely. But this isn't really a half-legal measure. I think the legal argument against the prostitute in your example would be that no one can consent to selling sex for money at present. So it's not really her free will.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51601191] I think the legal argument against the prostitute in your example would be that no one can consent to selling sex for money at present. So it's not really her free will.[/QUOTE] A thirty year old woman can't consent to selling sex for money? Can you explain why you think that?

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51601233]A thirty year old woman can't consent to selling sex for money? Can you explain why you think that?[/QUOTE] Well I don't. I'm just saying that that's what I think the courts would say to you. No one is allowed to, the prostitutes opinions and thoughts are irrelevent.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51601118]If you're willingly, with consent, selling your own body for money, does that really make you a victim? Are brothel workers in NV victims?[/QUOTE] sorry to break it to you but the world is not a perfect meritocracy. not everyone who's getting into prostitution is doing it because it sounds like a solid career path

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51601278]sorry to break it to you but the world is not a perfect meritocracy. not everyone who's getting into prostitution is doing it because it sounds like a solid career path[/QUOTE] Same applies to sewer cleaners. ban sewage cleaning!

What a fucking dog shit article. Did you just not read this before posting it here? or does it just play well with some agenda you have going on so you decided to have a go at misinforming people?

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51601300]Same applies to sewer cleaners. ban sewage cleaning![/QUOTE] i didn't say we should ban prostitution though. if you're going for shitflinging, at least learn to read and make it meaningful your drive-by shitposts are getting worse and worse

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51601300]Same applies to sewer cleaners. ban sewage cleaning![/QUOTE] I would argue that sex work is very different to manual labour for a multitude of reasons, and thus should be treated differently. Not that I think sex work should be banned, I just think there are factors of exploitation that need to be considered.

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[QUOTE=fulgrim;51601308]I would argue that sex work is very different to manual labour for a multitude of reasons, and thus should be treated differently. Not that I think sex work should be banned, I just think there are factors of exploitation that need to be considered.[/QUOTE] My argument was that manual labour work has the same factors of exploitation as sex work does. I was a sex worker for 2 years, and worked in a factory 4 years as i got myself through my education. I was more exploited as a factory worker imo...

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51601092]Kill the demand, for sex? You're joking right?[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying that going after sollicitors is a much better idea than arresting prostitutes. When there's no demand, supply will also disappear.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51601306]i didn't say we should ban prostitution though. if you're going for shitflinging, at least learn to read and make it meaningful your drive-by shitposts are getting worse and worse[/QUOTE] My point was that people get into prostitution for the same reason they get into sewage works jobs... it either pays well enough for them to deal with the downsides, they enjoy it or they are forced into it through lack of freedom. That last one sucks, but happens... should be fought but should not be the reason to abolish the industry. [editline]30th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=V12US;51601469]No, I'm saying that going after sollicitors is a much better idea than arresting prostitutes. When there's no demand, supply will also disappear.[/QUOTE] Why not just... you know, let people buy sex?

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51601478]My point was that people get into prostitution for the same reason they get into sewage works jobs... it either pays well enough for them to deal with the downsides, they enjoy it or they are forced into it through lack of freedom. That last one sucks, but happens... should be fought but should not be the reason to abolish the industry.[/QUOTE] it's just that you phrased it in such a fucking bizarre way that i couldn't tell if you were agreeing with me or trying for a zinger over something you thought i said. i agree with what you're saying here in part... which is why i don't see why you couldn't have said this instead of something as obnoxious and vague as your last post

And the award for the most Sensationalist Headline Goes to...

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51601478]Why not just... you know, let people buy sex?[/QUOTE] I agree 100%. But in cases where exploitation [I]is[/I] involved, such as when the prostitute is a minor, or if you assume that prostitution in general is exploitative, then the [I]solicitors[/I] should be legally punished, not the prostitutes.

This is to combat trafficking. Many places are taking the stance that these are victims other than criminals [editline]30th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Blizzerd;51601466]My argument was that manual labour work has the same factors of exploitation as sex work does. I was a sex worker for 2 years, and worked in a factory 4 years as i got myself through my education. I was more exploited as a factory worker imo...[/QUOTE] You're so ignorant on human trafficking and sex trafficking that I'm losing brain cells reading these terrible posts

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51602111]This is to combat trafficking. Many places are taking the stance that these are victims other than criminals [editline]30th December 2016[/editline] You're so ignorant on human trafficking and sex trafficking that I'm losing brain cells reading these terrible posts[/QUOTE] I don't think the existence of human trafficking warrants banning a tangentially related career path.

God, wow, what a roller-coaster of confusion that article was. Maybe this legislation should've been kept under wraps.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51602988]God, wow, what a roller-coaster of confusion that article was. Maybe this legislation should've been kept under wraps.[/QUOTE] It would have eventually been noticed by someone and then it just would have been "liberals secretly legalized child prostitution".

The right wing makes a point of attempting to lie to us again, just like on Evolution, planned parenthood SELLING BABY PARTS, and a smorgasbord of other issues. Do you know how I first learned that people on TV don't always tell the truth? Because some creationist on the news telling impressionable young me that evolution is only a [i]theory[/i]. Why can't the political right in America ever win by telling the truth? You'd think if they had ideas worth supporting they'd be able to get the majority of the population to agree with them. Hmm, I wonder why it is that they have to cling to outdated systems which give uneducated hicks more voting power than the rest of the country to remain relevant...