Scientist declares alien signal sent from extrasolar planet Gliese 581g - Polidicks

[QUOTE=bravehat;25488684]Yeah, there's no such thing as a higher dimension in the sense you mean. There just isn't, and at best there are 10 spatial dimensions and one temporal in M theory, and we only exist in 3 of them and we will never notice those other 7 spatial dimensions because they don't permeate all of existence they only anchor our universe onto the branes.[/QUOTE] Ok Mr. PHD in neuroscience and cognitive theory speculation killer. I'm sure your end-all knowledge puts this case to a close and now that you have shared your delightful opinion we are all that much more knowledged. Oh, wait... :downs:

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25488585]It is certainly beyond the scope of our realm of imagination, but who knows what millions of years have done for the technology of a species. If they had the fight or flight drive as we do, they would certainly travel the stars, harvest necessary resources for whatever they needed, and possibly even terraform otherwise inhospitable planets into lush worlds for their civilization to thrive on. If they could (eventually) develop dyson spheres, they would undoubtedly be able to respect fledgling intelligences and leave them to their home planet to evolve in peace as they scoured the stars for energy/matter to harvest elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Terraforming takes thousands upon thousands of years, near millions for a truly similar ecosystem, we would be able to detect the changes on planets, there's been none found. A dyson sphere would take AT VERY LEAST an entire star system of material to construct, and then you would extra solar mass in order to engage the systems of the sphere. And are you retarded? it's not beyond the scope of our imagination cause we clearly thought of it, but it IS beyond the scope of any engineering for several thousand years. And any living organism with have a danger reaction instinct. And if they could build dyson spheres what's to say they wouldn't get bored and use our sun as the engine in a Shkadov thuster? Honestly I think I would have a good laugh with a beginner intelligence turning it's sun into a giant engine and dragging their star system around the universe and even slingshotting it into another galaxy.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25488779]Ok Mr. PHD in neuroscience and cognitive theory speculation killer. I'm sure your end-all knowledge puts this case to a close and now that you have shared your delightful opinion we are all that much more knowledged. Oh, wait... :downs:[/QUOTE] Um... what are you doing?

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25488779]Ok Mr. PHD in neuroscience and cognitive theory speculation killer. I'm sure your end-all knowledge puts this case to a close and now that you have shared your delightful opinion we are all that much more knowledged. Oh, wait... :downs:[/QUOTE] The branes are two hypothesised filaments in a sort of omniverse that oscillate and clash together, these clashes produce massive amounts of energy, that energy is transferred through the 7 higher dimensions to the lower 3+1 temporal dimensions (at least in our case) creating our universe. Also [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory#Membrane_interactions[/url] Now fuck stick where's the nueroscience? Stop posting cause it's all conspiracy, or new age bullshit, folk like you give people the false image that humanity is a slowly worsening species.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25488863]The branes are two hypothesised filaments in a sort of omniverse that oscillate and clash together, these clashes produce massive amounts of energy, that energy is transferred through the 7 higher dimensions to the lower 3+1 temporal dimensions (at least in our case) creating our universe. Also [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory#Membrane_interactions[/url] Now fuck stick where's the nueroscience? Stop posting cause it's all conspiracy, or new age bullshit, folk like you give people the false image that humanity is a slowly worsening species.[/QUOTE] wait... did he seriously think you were talking about brains and that you misspelt it? ahahahaha

[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;25488754]Of course i am focusing on Collier. You cited a man who said dolphins are from space as a reputable source. Do you not understand how ridiculous that is? There is no reason to discuss people like Sagan and michio kaku (unless you're doing something like taking sagan's scifi novels to be scientific texts, which would be hilarious in it's own right) because they don't pretend that they actually know anything about aliens. PS: I'm still waiting for you to address my last post on the previous page of this thread.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs[/media] Like this? [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=BaconDioxide;25488896]wait... did he seriously think you were talking about brains and that you misspelt it? ahahahaha[/QUOTE] Yes, yes he did. I know it's great ain't it? Like every thread he makes he either get's something totally wrong, misinterprets the evidence to support his own ends and ignores the multitudes of evidence that claim otherwise, or just becomes a flat out moron. v:v:v Fucking ShukaidoX how does he work?

[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;25488828]Um... what are you doing?[/QUOTE] I never said once what I was talking about was anything more than speculation on my part. I cannot claim to know anything more about aliens than what our cumulative knowledge in science has taught us. Speculating what other intelligences are like in the universe is not an argument either side can win. We can merely hope to form a relatively realistic opinion based on what simple things we do understand about our universe, other species, etc. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;25488944] :downswords:[/QUOTE] Make one misconception and a total stranger knows everything about you.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25489186] Make one misconception and a total stranger knows everything about you.[/QUOTE] You have 744 posts. Bravehat pretty much stalks the news section. Presumably you post in the news section. [B]clearly there can't be any overlap at all[/B]

I've been lurking since long before my post date, not to mention this wasn't my first FP account to begin with..

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25489186]I never said once what I was talking about was anything more than speculation on my part. I cannot claim to know anything more about aliens than what our cumulative knowledge in science has taught us. Speculating what other intelligences are like in the universe is not an argument either side can win. We can merely hope to form a relatively realistic opinion based on what simple things we do understand about our universe, other species, etc. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] Make one misconception and a total stranger knows everything about you.[/QUOTE] One misconception? I'm one of the folk who actually uses fucking science to eviscerate your 9/11 arguments, and I'm pretty sure you posted that NORAD officers story in the news and was all "OMG THERE ARE TEH ALIUNS IN NOO YORK!!" Dude, you are just about as bad as those dumb asses who think water has fantastical healing powers and that completely misconstrue quantum physics to support it.

:munch: I haven't seen a flamewar like this in months. :munch:

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25489304]I've been lurking since long before my post date, not to mention this wasn't my first FP account to begin with..[/QUOTE] Which is completely irrelevant to the point he was making...

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25489304]I've been lurking since long before my post date, not to mention this wasn't my first FP account to begin with..[/QUOTE] And yet your posts are still deranged and idiotic. Teach me how one becomes so blinded to logic and reason. Also I just read this: [quote]If you think of how many billions of years the universe has had to allow species such as ourselves to evolve into higher and higher consciousness, they are said to eventually reach a singularity. This is after millions of years of course, but who knows what physical form if any a being such as that would take.[/quote] I swear to christ every time I read this new age bullshit fucking psuedoscientific piss water I want take a fucking rake, and impale my head on it, lobotomise myself so I can no longer adequately grasp the stupidity people are capable of. How the fuck does a creature with no physical form do anything? really, cause even a fucking ELECTRO MAGNETIC WAVE!! HAS A PHYSICAL FORM TO SOME DEGREE!! REALLY!? HOW DO PEOPLE MISCONSTRUE SCIENCE TO SUPPORT THIS SHIT IT FUCKING BEWILDERS ME TO THE POINT OF PAIN AND FEAR!!

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25489304]I've been lurking since long before my post date, not to mention this wasn't my first FP account to begin with..[/QUOTE] The sarcasm flew over your head so fast you should be deaf and bleeding right now.

You have to put that into simpler terms for him, he could have issues grasping what you mean, be gentle on him.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25489320]One misconception? I'm one of the folk who actually uses fucking science to eviscerate your 9/11 arguments, and I'm pretty sure you posted that NORAD officers story in the news and was all "OMG THERE ARE TEH ALIUNS IN NOO YORK!!" Dude, you are just about as bad as those dumb asses who think water has fantastical healing powers and that completely misconstrue quantum physics to support it.[/QUOTE] It's sad the you find the need to lump all the things you disagree with into one pile like your viewpoint is absolutely infallible, which, sadly it is not.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25489909]It's sad the you find the need to lump all the things you disagree with into one pile like your viewpoint is absolutely infallible, which, sadly it is not.[/QUOTE] Uh, that's not what he's doing. Your viewpoints are the ugly women average women take to bars to make them seem prettier by comparison. In that respect, his opinions [B]are[/B] infallible compared to yours.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25489377] I swear to christ every time I read this new age bullshit fucking psuedoscientific piss water I want take a fucking rake, and impale my head on it, lobotomise myself so I can no longer adequately grasp the stupidity people are capable of. How the fuck does a creature with no physical form do anything? really, cause even a fucking ELECTRO MAGNETIC WAVE!! HAS A PHYSICAL FORM TO SOME DEGREE!! REALLY!? HOW DO PEOPLE MISCONSTRUE SCIENCE TO SUPPORT THIS SHIT IT FUCKING BEWILDERS ME TO THE POINT OF PAIN AND FEAR!![/QUOTE] You need to calm down. Go take a deep breath, go for a relaxing walk, smoke a fucking joint, I don't care, but your raging is completely unnecessary and makes you look like an ass. If you disagree with what I'm saying, I'm more than happy to respond and address whatever it is you'd like comment on. That said... [Quote]How the fuck does a creature with no physical form do anything? really, cause even a fucking ELECTRO MAGNETIC WAVE!! HAS A PHYSICAL FORM TO SOME DEGREE!![/Quote] What I was saying is if (hypothetically motherfucker, goddamn) that if a species like us for instance, were to evolve for eons and eons that eventually we would evolve our minds in such a way to perceive the universe in the additional dimensions in which it actually operates. You could say insects live in the world on a 2 dimensional consciousness. Ours would be three. It would be silly to assume that the possibility of their being even higher consciousness is impossible.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25489909]It's sad the you find the need to lump all the things you disagree with into one pile like your viewpoint is absolutely infallible, which, sadly it is not.[/QUOTE] No but my viewpoint is backed up by science, yours witchcraft and blind hope. And you just unfortunately happen to believe in all the stuff I think is outright horse shit of the highest quality.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25490120]No but my viewpoint is backed up by science, yours [B]witchcraft[/B] and blind hope. And you just unfortunately happen to believe in all the stuff I think is outright horse shit of the highest quality.[/QUOTE] It's worse than that, actually. Witchcraft practioners don't even bother to claim that it has a scientific backing. Pseudoscience is the scum of the earth.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25489186]I never said once what I was talking about was anything more than speculation on my part. [/QUOTE] Yes you did, how dense are you? [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25476160]You're referring to the wavelengths of light emitted by certain things as being uninterpretable for us but it would probably more or less being taken in their our perceptions regardless but portrayed in a way our brain would be able to understand. I'm sure the same could be said about [B]higher-dimensional beings that are sure to exist[/B] given all the time certain species have had to evolve.[/QUOTE] "sure to exist" is not language of speculation.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25490087]You need to calm down. Go take a deep breath, go for a relaxing walk, smoke a fucking joint, I don't care, but your raging is completely unnecessary and makes you look like an ass. If you disagree with what I'm saying, I'm more than happy to respond and address whatever it is you'd like comment on. That said... What I was saying is if (hypothetically motherfucker, goddamn) that if a species like us for instance, were to evolve for eons and eons that eventually we would evolve our minds in such a way to perceive the universe in the additional dimensions in which it actually operates. You could say insects live in the world on a 2 dimensional consciousness. Ours would be three. It would be silly to assume that the possibility of their being even higher consciousness is impossible.[/QUOTE] No actually because anything in a dimension higher than ours if they exist becomes irrelevant to us. And that's not me raging :smug: rare moment when I rage on facepunch unless someone is PHENOMENALLY retarded. You could go there tonight, let's hope not.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25490120]No but my viewpoint is backed up by science, yours witchcraft and blind hope. And you just unfortunately happen to believe in all the stuff I think is outright horse shit of the highest quality.[/QUOTE] Right, because Michio Kaku, Neil Degrasse Tyson, and Carl Sagan never made claims backed up by science. This thread is based on [B]speculation[/B]. If you don't want to speculate, then fine, but don't come in the thread, shitting on those who do, and act like your opinion is the ultimate deciding factor in the whole goddamn universe. Get off your high horse

It sucks how we cant really communicate efficiently, but if we did we'd probably get ourselves in a shitton of wars or something.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25490193] And that's not me raging :smug: rare moment when I rage on facepunch unless someone is PHENOMENALLY retarded.[/QUOTE] Oh right, I forgot that caps lock is cruise control for cool. :downs:

[QUOTE]Recently, Gliese 581g was declared 100 percent certain to have life.[/QUOTE] haha no

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25490229]Right, because Michio Kaku, Neil Degrasse Tyson, and Carl Sagan never made claims backed up by science. This thread is based on [B]speculation[/B]. If you don't want to speculate, then fine, but don't come in the thread, shitting on those who do, and act like your opinion is the ultimate deciding factor in the whole goddamn universe. Get off your high horse[/QUOTE] Everything Kaku say's should be taken with a pinch of salt, at least in my opinion I just don't like the guy he seems to love hyperbole and blows everything out of proportion. Tyson is a fucking man god and I'd love to see how he relates to this in anyway, you know considering the guy who "discovered" this signal refuses point blank to give his co ordinates and data to SETI for them to verify it. And yeah how does Sagan relate to this, he's another man god but he's been dead since before this happened, he unfortunately hold's no bearings on this.

[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;25490187]Yes you did, how dense are you? "sure to exist" is not language of speculation.[/QUOTE] do you agree that there are other species capable of evolving intelligence outside of our solar system? cool, your on board with science there... lets keep going. do you also agree that given the time said species have had to evolve, it's possible for them to achieve type 2, and even 3 civilizations? cool, michio kaku would agree. There you go. Whether or not they still perceive things in a three dimensional way, however, is debatable...

[QUOTE=bravehat;25490349]Everything Kaku say's should be taken with a pinch of salt, at least in my opinion I just don't like the guy he seems to love hyperbole and blows everything out of proportion. Tyson is a fucking man god and I'd love to see how he relates to this in anyway, you know considering the guy who "discovered" this signal refuses point blank to give his co ordinates and data to SETI for them to verify it. And yeah how does Sagan relate to this, he's another man god but he's been dead since before this happened, he unfortunately hold's no bearings on this.[/QUOTE] Kaku and Sagan were futurists. I like Kaku but when he's playing the role of a futurist he might as well be writing a science fiction novel.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25490299]Oh right, I forgot that caps lock is cruise control for cool. :downs:[/QUOTE] And also seem to have forgotten that it can be used to emphasise a point, namely mine being the last line of that post.