Vice President Joe Biden privately met with Senator Elizabeth Warren, everyone speculates it's a sig - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Velocet;48520553]Why not? Pretty much every "great" program is a result of socialism. It's just a matter of explaining what socialism is, what wealth distribution is (it doesn't hurt you, or me, or even the millionaires, but the billionaires are the ones getting paid to live here) and a matter of explaining that Americans get a shit deal for the taxes they pay[/QUOTE] Socialism is the workers owning the means of production. Social programs such as public education and Social Security aren't socialist in any way. The only way in which Sanders is kind of like a socialist is him wanting to further empower trade unions.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48517973]Maybe he'll split Hillary's base, force her in to a weak position while Sanders stays steady. Let Sanders take the lead, build up support, and either have him win out in the Democratic primaries, or at least go strong, then withdraw or force Hillary out, and Sander's will become the front runner with a lot of democrats needing a candidate to turn to.[/QUOTE] God, whenever presidential based shit happens all y'all are just like "But how does this help Bernie" :v:

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48521946]God, whenever presidential based shit happens all y'all are just like "But how does this help Bernie" :v:[/QUOTE] I reckon this would actually harm Sanders, because the DNC wouldn't want an independent winning the nomination for their party given they would be a loose cannon. Gives Clinton someone to have debates with who isn't Sanders, let's the media focus on those two and have Sanders fade away.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48521946]God, whenever presidential based shit happens all y'all are just like "But how does this help Bernie" :v:[/QUOTE]Well, in this case it actually makes sense since Biden would be running Democrat too.

I'm pretty sure that Sanders isn't a socialist, though. He's a social democrat, but I doubt most Americans would know the difference anyway.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48519781]The solution to all your motherfucking problems: [IMG]http://static.grupo23.com/f/cXFzYjZrdXFwZnt2YTY0KSE0NjEyPSYkK3MkMjMgIWQkdmAqc3J_bGs6LSNuZTIhIH1ldW5nfnM/553d34619e4ce.jpg?v1.015[/IMG][/QUOTE] Darn system is an illegal immigrant :v:

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48521386]Socialism is the workers owning the means of production. Social programs such as public education and Social Security aren't socialist in any way. The only way in which Sanders is kind of like a socialist is him wanting to further empower trade unions.[/QUOTE] This. I usually disagree with you on American politics but you're pretty spot on. Also, Sanders is for Worker Co-Ops. He recently just introduced legislation for something similar to it [url]http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-unveils-employee-ownership-legislation[/url]

[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;48520346][url]http://www.gallup.com/poll/183413/americans-continue-shift-left-key-moral-issues.aspx[/url] There are so many polls you can look it up and get an almost immediate result.[/QUOTE] I was talking more about financial policy...

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48517936]So, hows Joe Biden? I heard he is pretty decent.[/QUOTE] Doesn't go a week without saying something incredibly stupid.

[QUOTE=Ridge;48524612]Doesn't go a week without saying something incredibly stupid.[/QUOTE] The same could be said about most people. Including all of us.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48524617]The same could be said about most people. Including all of us.[/QUOTE] None of us are running for the highest office.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;48517958]since most of the people supporting Sanders are fans of his relatively extremely socialist agenda.[/QUOTE] Comments like this are just fucking embarrassing to be honest. You don't have to side with Bernie but for fucks sake this rhetoric is getting so tired. Here's a great caller on c-span refuting some common talking points when discussing Bernie. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wAuPo70uvM[/media] [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48517973]Maybe he'll split Hillary's base, force her in to a weak position while Sanders stays steady. Let Sanders take the lead, build up support, and either have him win out in the Democratic primaries, or at least go strong, then withdraw or force Hillary out, and Sander's will become the front runner with a lot of democrats needing a candidate to turn to.[/QUOTE] There is zero chance that he is going to enter the race with the intention of damaging Hilary's campaign. The only way he is going to run is if Hilary's campaign is already in shambles.

frankly given that the last time that the democrats controlled the white house over two consecutive presidents was in the 1960s (due to the assassination of kennedy) it's really not looking that great for the dems regardless of who wins the primaries, so

So, I forgot I posted here and have been asked why I say this: It's simple, hes a plagiarist, a political sociopath who can go from bulldog to puppydog in a heartbeat, shows all the same traits as Hillary and, frankly I don't trust him. He is in the same boat as Jeb, Hillary, etc because in my view he is part of the traditional corruption of the last 20 years.

[QUOTE=Incoming.;48527946]So, I forgot I posted here and have been asked why I say this: It's simple, hes a plagiarist, a political sociopath who can go from bulldog to puppydog in a heartbeat, shows all the same traits as Hillary and, frankly I don't trust him. He is in the same boat as Jeb, Hillary, etc because in my view he is part of the traditional corruption of the last 20 years.[/QUOTE] Was hoping for actual sources on stuff.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48527921]frankly given that the last time that the democrats controlled the white house over two consecutive presidents was in the 1960s (due to the assassination of kennedy) it's really not looking that great for the dems regardless of who wins the primaries, so[/QUOTE] LBJ was a scumbag. I'm a pretty conservative guy, and I think Kennedy was an awesome President. He brought a lot of great reforms to the table that started empowering the US economically and scientifically.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48528018]Was hoping for actual sources on stuff.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html[/url] he supported invading iraq quite virulently [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Iraq[/url] I did not enjoy EITHER person in the V.P. debates in 2012, they both came across similar to Hilary. Whether or not he is part of traditional corruption is not easily provable but he is the V.P. to the current administration, an administration I feel very failed by. I would rather have someone new in... [I]again[/I]than a name I already know in the political sphere.

[QUOTE=Ridge;48524631]None of us are running for the highest office.[/QUOTE] Trump?

Please God no, don't let him run.

[QUOTE=Ridge;48528459]LBJ was a scumbag. I'm a pretty conservative guy, and I think Kennedy was an awesome President. He brought a lot of great reforms to the table that started empowering the US economically and scientifically.[/QUOTE] i don't have an informed opinion on lbj beyond the fact that he was a pure domestic policy guy as opposed to foreign policy, one of the reasons that vietnam spiraled so out of control under him. just like bush jr w/ iraq and afghanistan. regardless of lbj's status as scumbag or not the point is that the dems haven't controlled the white house consecutively since 1965 and even that was in the aftermath of an assassination of a president causing a significant rally round the flag effect for his vice president in fact the only two times that the modern american democratic party has controlled the white house consecutively was when the former president died in office, his vice president taking control and being subsequently re-elected for the next term [editline]24th August 2015[/editline] tldr we're probably getting a republican in 2016 if history is anything to go by

LBJ did a couple of good things, but his mistakes were pretty severe.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531769]LBJ did a couple of good things, but his mistakes were pretty severe.[/QUOTE] 100% agree with you on this. Sadly his mistakes outweighed his good things and made him look like a shit president.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531769]LBJ did a couple of good things, but his mistakes were pretty severe.[/QUOTE] If Trump were elected this would likely be his legacy.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;48531864]If Trump were elected this would likely be his legacy.[/QUOTE] Probably, yeah, I have a hard time convincing myself that any other republican candidate would do a worse job of it though.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48527921]frankly given that the last time that the democrats controlled the white house over two consecutive presidents was in the 1960s (due to the assassination of kennedy) it's really not looking that great for the dems regardless of who wins the primaries, so[/QUOTE] Actually can the republicans make the same claim, I mean sure they had Nixon and Ford but Ford was a technicality, then they had Regan and bush 1 but the cold war was over and nobody really cared and Regan was a tidal wave, its basically flip flopped the last 30 years except for the regan-bush anomoly but even then bush didn't ever really have a high approval rating [editline]24th August 2015[/editline] I don't think it's an absolute certainty it all depends on how drastic the Republican field shapes up, the democrats also have run a 21st century campaign these last few elections and just dominated on all types of media while the republicans are still a bit of a dinosaur

Well if he is going to campaign, he sure is Biden his time [editline]24th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531769]LBJ did a couple of good things, but his mistakes were pretty severe.[/QUOTE] Wasn't he also the guy behind Kennedy's assassination? I remember my APUSH teacher said that there was some kind of correspondence from LBJ discovered that heavily implies that he wanted Kennedy to be deaddedy

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48533125]Wasn't he also the guy behind Kennedy's assassination? I remember my APUSH teacher said that there was some kind of correspondence from LBJ discovered that heavily implies that he wanted Kennedy to be deaddedy[/QUOTE] It's a conspiracy theory, no hard evidence to suggest it.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48533125]Well if he is going to campaign, he sure is Biden his time [/QUOTE] The death of his son earlier this year postponed a lot of thinking for campaigning, understandably.

Realistically, Bernie has more of a chance of getting a ton of Republicans willing to toss the whole abortion/gay marriage thing out in favor of getting money out of politics. Biden is literally satan to a lot of Republicans and quite a few democrats who are wary of his association with President Obama, who played it way too safe during his first term.

[QUOTE=Velocet;48535293]Realistically, Bernie has more of a chance of getting a ton of Republicans willing to toss the whole abortion/gay marriage thing out in favor of getting money out of politics. Biden is literally satan to a lot of Republicans and quite a few democrats who are wary of his association with President Obama, who played it way too safe during his first term.[/QUOTE] Republicans want money out of politics? Since when does the party of corporations want that?