Royal Marine says he only shot an injured Afghan insurgent because he thought they were already dead - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42702749]congratulations on becoming a trained killer for the purpose of getting money. don't be surprised if i don't bake you a cake because i personally think going into the military to get college paid for is far worse than the misguided souls who delude themselves into thinking they are "protecting their country". yea so don't join the military when it's obvious that their actions aren't going to benefit the country. [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] they probably wouldn't have to conscript. in the event of invasion people would be volunteering themselves left and right.[/QUOTE] Oh you mean the people volunteering already? In the matter of a invasion, It takes time to learn how to kill a person effectively believe it or not. Face it there's people who trained to kill Just so you don't have too, Where the soldiers are shipped off too is not theirs to decide, Show some respect.

[QUOTE=wrv451nlp;42702901]Oh you mean the people volunteering already? Face it there's people who trained to kill Just so you don't have too, Where the soldiers are shipped off too is not theirs to decide.[/QUOTE] they decide to join the military KNOWING that they are going to possibly shipped off to fight some rich white man's war.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42702906]they decide to join the military KNOWING that they are going to possibly shipped off to fight some rich white man's war.[/QUOTE] obama is white

the fact that you think soldiers are "murderers" is hilarious and destroys all your credibility do you know even one person in the military, in real life?

and btw i apologize if i come off as particularly hostile to you guys. i definitely think the politicians and the leaders are the ones ultimately responsible, but i wanna stress that i don't support the choice to join the military in any sense. [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42702930]the fact that you think soldiers are "murderers" is hilarious and destroys all your credibility do you know even one person in the military, in real life?[/QUOTE] dad was a medic, grandfather was stationed in okinawa, college roommate was an army engineer in iraq, classmate was a grunt in afghanistan.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42702932]and btw i apologize if i come off as particularly hostile to you guys. i definitely think the politicians and the leaders are the ones ultimately responsible, but i wanna stress that i don't support the choice to join the military in any sense.[/QUOTE] Would you rather there be conscription then? If you don't support people volunteering for something, would you rather them be forced into service?

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42702862]The impression I always get from these threads is one of murder being okay so long as you wear matching brown pants and a jacket and can flimsily justify it with "I'm stressed" or "But it's the [I]enemy[/I]"[/QUOTE] This is a classic case of "I've never faced any sort of life or death situation in my comfortable, middle/upper class life, and I sure don't understand why any of this is an issue." If you even had a marginal understanding of human psychology you'd know that you're wrong.

[QUOTE=Explosions;42702919]obama is white[/QUOTE] I assume he's using "white" to refer to the corporate and political elite that are generally a driving force behind military actions. I wouldn't that applies [I]as much[/I] to the war in Afghanistan because it had UN approval and the Taliban government was sheltering the insurgents who plotted 9/11, but his general rhetoric is not entirely invalid

actually one of my grandfathers also drove a supply truck(and got lost behind enemy lines for a couple days somehow) in germany during ww2. and i think an uncle of mine fought in vietnam but i don't know too much about that.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42702932]and btw i apologize if i come off as particularly hostile to you guys. i definitely think the politicians and the leaders are the ones ultimately responsible, but i wanna stress that i don't support the choice to join the military in any sense. [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] dad was a medic, grandfather was stationed in okinawa, college roommate was an army engineer in iraq, classmate was a grunt in afghanistan.[/QUOTE] given all of that, how do you call people who serve in the military "murderers?" that's pretty fucked up

[QUOTE=draugur;42702963]This is a classic case of "I've never faced any sort of life or death situation in my comfortable, middle/upper class life, and I sure don't understand why any of this is an issue." If you even had a marginal understanding of human psychology you'd know that you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Thank you for making large assumptions about my life for me, it saves time that i could spend on listening to trashy rap music, playing GTA V, and eating McDonalds Oh wait holy shit you know literally nothing about woah. I was in the army mate, but you do know me better than I know myself after all.

[QUOTE=deadoon;42702962]Would you rather there be conscription then? If you don't support people volunteering for something, would you rather them be forced into service?[/QUOTE] i think that is a false dichotomy. if people stopped joining the military voluntarily for these illegal wars and operations i would imagine that the politicians would be less likely to actually get into these illegal wars and operations. if there was strong resistance to joining the military the government would have to be more careful in the justifications of military action. [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42702979]given all of that, how do you call people who serve in the military "murderers?" that's pretty fucked up[/QUOTE] i never called them murderers, i called them trained killers. i even agreed with explosions earlier that the real murderers are the ones who make the decisions, not the ones who becomes tools of the decision makers.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42703002]i think that is a false dichotomy. if people stopped joining the military voluntarily for these illegal wars and operations i would imagine that the politicians would be less likely to actually get into these illegal wars and operations. if there was strong resistance to joining the military the government would have to be more careful in the justifications of military action. [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] i never called them murderers, i called them trained killers. i even agreed with explosions earlier that the real murderers are the ones who make the decisions, not the ones who becomes tools of the decision makers.[/QUOTE] have you ever wondered why that he shot him? it's because a lot of times insurgents pretend to be dead so that they shoot them in the back. a lot of soldiers probably go through shit like this on a daily basis. I'm not saying he's completely in the right here, but simply calling him a murderer is pretty insensitive.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42703002]i think that is a false dichotomy. if people stopped joining the military voluntarily for these illegal wars and operations i would imagine that the politicians would be less likely to actually get into these illegal wars and operations. if there was strong resistance to joining the military the government would have to be more careful in the justifications of military action. [/QUOTE] And who are you to call these wars illegal? They were permitted and are supported by the UN. Also, you are still wrong about people joining the military to be trained killers, some jobs you don't even have a chance of being in combat.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42703057]have you ever wondered why that he shot him? it's because a lot of times insurgents pretend to be dead so that they shoot them in the back. a lot of soldiers probably go through shit like this on a daily basis. I'm not saying he's completely in the right here, but simply calling him a murderer is pretty insensitive.[/QUOTE] Would you be fine with them shooting our soldiers automatically as well, in case they're calling in a gunship or smth~~

[QUOTE=deadoon;42703085]And who are you to call these wars illegal? They were permitted and are supported by the UN. Also, you are still wrong about people joining the military to be trained killers, some jobs you don't even have a chance of being in combat.[/QUOTE] medical staff are more tolerable. my dad, for example, spent all of his time in georgia helping women deliver babies on a military base. but most jobs, especially in times of war, have you either killing people or supporting other people to kill people.

I mean... My only input on this is what if he had seen one of his buddies die to a trap (as such with a wounded or "dead" soldier) and so he didn't want their fate to be his, so he did what was best and correcting others' "mistakes" so he doesn't repeat them.

[QUOTE=TwitchWitEt;42703191]I mean... My only input on this is what if he had seen one of his buddies die to a trap (as such with a wounded or "dead" soldier) and so he didn't want their fate to be his, so he did what was best and correcting others' "mistakes" so he doesn't repeat them.[/QUOTE] By dragging a wounded man out of sight and executing him? This isn't a case of him making sure his friends were safe, this is an execution. Our army should not go around executing people out of revenge, it should act a little more professional than this. What message does it send to the locals when they see british soldiers dragging wounded people off and executing them. We're supposed to be the good guys.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42703117]Would you be fine with them shooting our soldiers automatically as well, in case they're calling in a gunship or smth~~[/QUOTE] exactly, they would do the exact same thing to us. a lot of people would in that situation. that's not saying I'm ok with it. read into the article more though, this guy definitely needs some help. a lot of what he's saying contradicts what actually happened too [QUOTE=yawmwen;42703137]medical staff are more tolerable. my dad, for example, spent all of his time in georgia helping women deliver babies on a military base. but most jobs, especially in times of war, have you either killing people or supporting other people to kill people.[/QUOTE] gee, i wonder why soldiers are sent to kill these people. oh yeah, because they're straight up bad. they're not killing for some political motivations, but because they suicide bomb innocent civillians en masse. these aren't people that can be reasoned with the same could be said about this subject stretching back thousands of years

If it was really about preventing the insurgent from blowing them up with a hidden grenade why would he get close and lean over the man before executing him? It was murder, and if we're sending men and women to warzones who cannot adequately control their emotions then maybe we shouldn't be sending them there.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42703117]Would you be fine with them shooting our soldiers automatically as well, in case they're calling in a gunship or smth~~[/QUOTE] Honestly? I'd kind of expect an insurgent to do that and understand why they would. I mean, they don't want to fuck with air support, they won't want to take risks like that just as much as allied soldiers who shoot downed enemies. It doesn't make it right, but I wouldn't be shocked if it came up in the news more.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42703289]exactly, they would do the exact same thing to us. a lot of people would in that situation. that's not saying I'm ok with it. read into the article more though, this guy definitely needs some help. a lot of what he's saying contradicts what actually happened too[/QUOTE] So you're not okay with this but you're still an apologist for shooting injured people. okay

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42703773]So you're not okay with this but you're still an apologist for shooting injured people. okay[/QUOTE] and unfortunately the people these marines fight against know this very fact, that most NATO combat troops are generally humane people and the insurgents use that to their advantage I'm not "an apologist for shooting injured people," but I completely understand why certain types of situations happen a lot in this kind of fucked up environment.

In my Infantry Company, we were taught to put a round in the head of ANY enemy combatant that we passed on the ground whether dead or alive, after or during a firefight. I never deployed so I never had the satisfaction of doing this. (Understand the Infantry mentality of "KILL" before you call me psychotic) From the stories that were told among our team leaders/squad leaders, MUCH worse things happened at the hands of my company in Afghanistan than just executing combatants..

War is war, they shouldn't be putting him on trial for killing an enemy.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42704213]and unfortunately the people these marines fight against know this very fact, that most NATO combat troops are generally humane people and the insurgents use that to their advantage I'm not "an apologist for shooting injured people," but I completely understand why certain types of situations happen a lot in this kind of fucked up environment.[/QUOTE] Source [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Orkel;42704381]War is war, they shouldn't be putting him on trial for killing an enemy.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre[/url] Those SS troops should have gotten away with it! [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Savyetski79;42704333]In my Infantry Company, we were taught to put a round in the head of ANY enemy combatant that we passed on the ground whether dead or alive, after or during a firefight. I never deployed so I never had the satisfaction of doing this. (Understand the Infantry mentality of "KILL" before you call me psychotic) From the stories that were told among our team leaders/squad leaders, MUCH worse things happened at the hands of my company in Afghanistan than just executing combatants..[/QUOTE] You're psychotic.

[QUOTE=Explosions;42704403]Source[/QUOTE] suicide bombers? the fact that NATO's objective isn't to indiscriminately shoot civilians, which they masquerade as? [editline]d[/editline] here's a nice example for you: [url]http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/23/19633940-three-americans-killed-by-suicide-bomber-on-donkey-in-afghanistan[/url]

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42704333]In my Infantry Company, we were taught to put a round in the head of ANY enemy combatant that we passed on the ground whether dead or alive, after or during a firefight. I never deployed so I never had [b]the satisfaction of doing this[/b]. (Understand the Infantry mentality of "KILL" before you call me psychotic) From the stories that were told among our team leaders/squad leaders, MUCH worse things happened at the hands of my company in Afghanistan than just executing combatants..[/QUOTE] Uh

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42704555]suicide bombers? the fact that NATO's objective isn't to indiscriminately shoot civilians, which they masquerade as? [editline]d[/editline] here's a nice example for you: [url]http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/23/19633940-three-americans-killed-by-suicide-bomber-on-donkey-in-afghanistan[/url] I know there's plenty of people who would've just shot anything coming near them in a place like this.[/QUOTE] So the closest thing you could was a planned suicide bomb attack lmao

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42704636]So the closest thing you could was a planned suicide bomb attack lmao[/QUOTE] This just in, there aren't many journalists in the most dangerous parts of the world. Weird huh?