Royal Marine says he only shot an injured Afghan insurgent because he thought they were already dead - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;42705205]Yes insurgents get such a free pass they only have to fight the most advanced military in the world gosh it must be like a holiday for them.[/QUOTE] I think you're missing the point. He's talking about the countless fucked things they do, which their command structure happens to openly applaud. Unless you're saying it's okay to kill innocents and brainwash children simply because the adversary you face happens to be stronger?

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705148]Allied troops are held to an impossibly high standard of conduct on the battlefield, while insurgents seem to get a free pass for the butchery that they commit.[/QUOTE] wowie it's almost as if developed nations have a structured and relatively empathetic military because we follow the geneva convention! you know what? we should just stoop down to to the insurgents' level by strapping bombs to kids, putting IEDs in public places, forcing locals to distract them while we surprise them with our guns, and taking hostages. that way we can win faster and kill all them 'sun bitches! and no, soldiers aren't there explicitly to [I]shoot and kill people[/I], they're there to protect the people who aren't insurgents and help build up a stable government and police force and a bunch of other shit.

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705284]The funny thing is...the Infantry really isn't an awesome institution to be a part of if you want to retain mental sanity. You're actually right on the spot as far as that goes.[/QUOTE] I know i know i've seen fullmetal jacket i know it all

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42702277]this kind of dehumanizing thinking is what causes war crimes in the first place.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure of the effects this thinking would have after the war, but wouldn't you rather think that the enemy is just worthless garbage so killing them (what you will definitely have to do in a war) is so much easier, rather than think they are human beings who have thoughts, family, etc?

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705263]I meant that allied soldiers have such a restrictive rules of engagement and conduct that they practically have to be battlefield lawyers. It has made combat decisions very difficult to make, and has made many hesitate to make a decision which has then led to people dying or what have you. They have to consider the incredible amount of laws governing combat, while the insurgent just go ahead and set off bombs in the middle of packed bazaars, not giving a crap about anything, or exploiting the laws that they know we have to inflict bad casualties and force people into situations where it is either their life or their career that they have to choose between.[/QUOTE] Well sorry this is how war works now, if you don't like it then maybe consider another career path, its no secret that the insurgents don't follow international law so don't start complaining they don't play fair when they car bomb a school. You join the army knowing you are joining a institution that has a buttload of rules about how it operates. These laws that you find so inconvenient are the thing that separates the US military from the insurgents.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705263]I meant that allied soldiers have such a restrictive rules of engagement and conduct that they practically have to be battlefield lawyers. It has made combat decisions very difficult to make, and has made many hesitate to make a decision which has then led to people dying or what have you. They have to consider the incredible amount of laws governing combat, while the insurgent just go ahead and set off bombs in the middle of packed bazaars, not giving a crap about anything, or exploiting the laws that they know we have to inflict bad casualties and force people into situations where it is either their life or their career that they have to choose between.[/QUOTE] and you know what? that sucks, but we can't stoop down to their level and do terrible, albeit more effective, things to kill them. and that means we can't condone shit like what this royal marine did.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;42705316]I'm not sure of the effects this thinking would have after the war, but wouldn't you rather think that the enemy is just worthless garbage so killing them (what you will definitely have to do in a war) is so much easier, rather than think they are human beings who have thoughts, family, etc?[/QUOTE] explain all the homeless Vietnam war veterans because they couldn't function in normal society after spending a decade bombing gook villages.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;42705261]Well I'm going to stay in lala-land if the real world is full of nutjobs like you[/QUOTE] Translated: [b]"Thats BULLSHIT! The Infantry IS about baking cakes and grooming puppies!! You're lying!!"[/b] [img]http://replygif.net/i/1062.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705331]Translated: [b]"Thats BULLSHIT! The Infantry IS about baking cakes and grooming puppies!! You're lying!!"[/b] [img]http://replygif.net/i/1062.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Sorry I just have this sheltered view of the military where they don't gun people down in the streets with huge grins on their faces because YEAH REVENGE

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705331]Translated: [b]"Thats BULLSHIT! The Infantry IS about baking cakes and grooming puppies!! You're lying!!"[/b] [img]http://replygif.net/i/1062.gif[/img][/QUOTE] What the fuck are you even doing any more? Jesus christ, get a fucking grip and learn to not be a total nut when trying to prove killing people is totally right.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42705321]and you know what? that sucks, but we can't stoop down to their level and do terrible, albeit more effective, things to kill them. and that means we can't condone shit like what this royal marine did.[/QUOTE] He shot a wounded insurgent. I really can't bring myself to really care about the insurgent after watching them do terrible things to everyone. Sue me.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;42705316]I'm not sure of the effects this thinking would have after the war, but wouldn't you rather think that the enemy is just worthless garbage so killing them (what you will definitely have to do in a war) is so much easier, rather than think they are human beings who have thoughts, family, etc?[/QUOTE] yeah that's a bad thing. when you consider your enemy to be subhuman it becomes easier to justify doing horrible shit to them and it leads to situations like these. [editline]30th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SKEEA;42705388]He shot a wounded insurgent. I really can't bring myself to really care about the insurgent after watching them do terrible things to everyone. Sue me.[/QUOTE] he walked up to an incapacitated combatant (ie. not a threat) and executed him

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;42705319]Well sorry this is how war works now, if you don't like it then maybe consider another career path, its no secret that the insurgents don't follow international law so don't start complaining they don't play fair when they car bomb a school. You join the army knowing you are joining a institution that has a buttload of rules about how it operates. These laws that you find so inconvenient are the thing that separates the US military from the insurgents.[/QUOTE] I deployed already, so I already followed all of the rules. Basically you can't shoot unless shot at expressly, or they display hostile intent (IE lifting a weapon to shoot you or someone else). Now, I also know that the Marine Corps' ROE changed for embassy guard, that you are not allowed to shoot back, even if you get shot, unless the ambassador gives the go-ahead. Some rules are good, but others inhibit our ability to be warfighters.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705388]He shot a wounded insurgent. I really can't bring myself to really care about the insurgent after watching them do terrible things to everyone. Sue me.[/QUOTE] yeah well one of your helicopters probably killed half his extended family

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42705374]What the fuck are you even doing any more? Jesus christ, get a fucking grip and learn to not be a total nut when trying to prove killing people is totally right.[/QUOTE] Look, guy. Rainbow-boy literally just said he wanted to remain living in lala land. I won't argue with him. It's literally proof though, that people live in a fantasy world when it comes to being shot at in a military operation. You wan't to jump on the dicks of every Grunt who's ever felt good about blasting away a man that just tried to kill him. I understand. Not everyone's survival instinct has been activated..especially not when they've had a kush ass - not living in an enemy AO lifestyle. It's totally cooo, dude. I'm still going to point out why I think you're retarded and wouldn't last 8 seconds in the Infantry. The Infantry isn't a lot of peoples calling. It's totally cool. I would never expect it to be. But stop FUCKING jumping on people like some food critic for doing what they have to do to survive. God Damn. Next, you'll be calling SKEEA a murderer for repairing an Apache that happened to kill a nest of Haj'.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705431]yeah well one of your helicopters probably killed half his extended family[/QUOTE] yeah, generally most insurgents are part of a family im high forgive me

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705388]He shot a wounded insurgent. I really can't bring myself to really care about the insurgent after watching them do terrible things to everyone. Sue me.[/QUOTE] i don't think anyone's asking you to care so much as they are asking you to not disregard international law at your own convenience. i mean sure the Geneva Convention may or may not apply to the insurgents, but since you're just talking about general revenge, i kind of doubt that you'd really care to enforce it even if it did apply.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42705298]wowie it's almost as if developed nations have a structured and relatively empathetic military because we follow the geneva convention! you know what? we should just stoop down to to the insurgents' level by strapping bombs to kids, putting IEDs in public places, forcing locals to distract them while we surprise them with our guns, and taking hostages. that way we can win faster and kill all them 'sun bitches! and no, soldiers aren't there explicitly to [I]shoot and kill people[/I], they're there to protect the people who aren't insurgents and help build up a stable government and police force and a bunch of other shit.[/QUOTE] Put more words in my mouth why don't you. Also, the Infantry [I]are[/I] there to explicitly shoot and kill people. It is kind of their whole job. Now, when you stack on all that other shit, and expect shit to go right, it won't because the job of the military is to bring the fight to the enemy, and not nation-build. We can change all the rules on how allied forces operate that we want, it does not mean that we are going to become more effective at the nation-building, because we have more red tape to go through to simply defend ourselves or mount an offensive.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705425]I deployed already, so I already followed all of the rules. Basically you can't shoot unless shot at expressly, or they display hostile intent (IE lifting a weapon to shoot you or someone else). Now, I also know that the Marine Corps' ROE changed for embassy guard, that you are not allowed to shoot back, even if you get shot, unless the ambassador gives the go-ahead. Some rules are good, but others inhibit our ability to be warfighters.[/QUOTE] All this stuff is in place because we're not fighting a country or recognized army, we're fighting people that don't like us. Its less a war and more peace keeping. [editline]31st October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705466]Look, guy. Rainbow-boy literally just said he wanted to remain living in lala land. I won't argue with him. It's literally proof though, that people live in a fantasy world when it comes to being shot at in a military operation. You wan't to jump on the dicks of every Grunt who's ever felt good about blasting away a man that just tried to kill him. I understand. Not everyone's survival instinct has been activated..especially not when they've had a kush ass - not living in an enemy AO lifestyle. It's totally cooo, dude. I'm still going to point out why I think you're retarded and wouldn't last 8 seconds in the Infantry. The Infantry isn't a lot of peoples calling. It's totally cool. I would never expect it to be. But stop FUCKING jumping on people like some food critic for doing what they have to do to survive. God Damn.[/QUOTE] You are deranged and I am going to stop talking to you goodbye

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705431]yeah well one of your helicopters probably killed half his extended family[/QUOTE] Insurgency generally runs in the family. If one of my helicopters responded to a TIC (troops in contact) and wiped out a bunch of ambushers, and they were all part of a family, it makes no difference to me. Anything to bring the guys on the ground back safe and sound. They made the mistake of shooting at allied forces, they pay the consequences by eating a rocket barrage.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705530]Insurgency generally runs in the family. If one of my helicopters responded to a TIC (troops in contact) and wiped out a bunch of ambushers, and they were all part of a family, it makes no difference to me. Anything to bring the guys on the ground back safe and sound. They made the mistake of shooting at allied forces, they pay the consequences by eating a rocket barrage.[/QUOTE] Well I guess if you didn't make new insurgents you'd be out of a job so I can't blame you.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705530]Insurgency generally runs in the family. If one of my helicopters responded to a TIC (troops in contact) and wiped out a bunch of ambushers, and they were all part of a family, it makes no difference to me. Anything to bring the guys on the ground back safe and sound. They made the mistake of shooting at allied forces, they pay the consequences by eating a rocket barrage.[/QUOTE] I'm saying you have this weird pretense that you're the good guys and they're the evil bad guys lmao its such a strange simplification thats only there to make it easier for you to kill teenagers resisting foreign invaders.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42705467]yeah, generally most insurgents are part of a family[/QUOTE] You mean like mother insurgent, son/daughter insurgent and mother insurgent?

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;42705489] You are deranged and I am going to stop talking to you goodbye[/QUOTE] I'm know I'm doing my internet job when out of touch pussies are too afraid to internet converse with me. [img]http://designerhigh.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/spongebob-squarepants-stoned.jpg[/img] The only deranged person here is you trying to put words in my mouth and make it seem like I enjoy killing children. Go ahead and ask me where you said that. I'll be happy to quote you for truth. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting / trolling" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705466]I understand. Not everyone's survival instinct has been activated..especially not when they've had a kush ass - not living in an enemy AO lifestyle.[/QUOTE] Oh my days. You actually just made me use that fucking phrase, only the most astonished of London decent use that phrase. "Survival instinct". Wow. Yeah, a lot of survival needed when you're part of one of the best equipped militaries in the world, able to blow fuckers away without moving your ass thanks to technologies they wish they had. The only person I've seen here straight up call infantry, or military members in general, murderers is yawnmen and he's crazy as fuck sometimes in the total opposite of your crazy. Most people here get that it's a job that needs doing, someone out there fighting for the interests of your country. But defending the actions of this guy? And saying you'd be "satisfied" taking a human life is fucking psychopathic, thank fuck you never did deploy, I expect we'd be reading articles about you using dead enemy combatants as target practice in your downtime. Think I'm retarded all you want, at least I seem to value human lives to a much greater extent than you do. People don't need to be cut out for the infantry, shit, if it weren't for the fact countries like to fight an abolition of infantry would be a bad idea.

well honestly they stopped talking to you because you are a bit warped

[QUOTE=Beerminator;42705561]You mean like mother insurgent, son/daughter insurgent and mother insurgent?[/QUOTE] You're forgetting grandpa and grandma insurgent

[QUOTE=Beerminator;42705561]You mean like mother insurgent, son/daughter insurgent and mother insurgent?[/QUOTE] Surprisingly, this happens. One of my buddies was an infantryman a few years ago, and was stacked up outside of a house to do a night raid on a weapons cache. He is the pointman, and kicks down the door to be greeted by the sight of three children in the middle of the room. He hesitates for a moment, until they all pick up rifles and one of them shoots a two round burst into the doorframe beside his head. All three children, regrettable as it were, were an immediate threat to his life and that of all the other people that were behind him, so he killed them. Then the mother comes downstairs, a bomb vest on and a trigger in her hand. He shot her too before she could blow the hell out of everyone. They secured the father, and found a metric shitton of weapons and bomb making materials on the property. It's a fucked up situation to be sure, and he has some pretty horrible PTSD from stuff like that, but it does happen.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705618]You're forgetting grandpa and grandma insurgent[/QUOTE] grandpa and grandma snackbar

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705626]Surprisingly, this happens. One of my buddies was an infantryman a few years ago, and was stacked up outside of a house to do a night raid on a weapons cache. He is the pointman, and kicks down the door to be greeted by the sight of three children in the middle of the room. He hesitates for a moment, until they all pick up rifles and one of them shoots a two round burst into the doorframe beside his head. All three children, regrettable as it were, were an immediate threat to his life and that of all the other people that were behind him, so he killed them. Then the mother comes downstairs, a bomb vest on and a trigger in her hand. He shot her too before she could blow the hell out of everyone. They secured the father, and found a metric shitton of weapons and bomb making materials on the property. It's a fucked up situation to be sure, and he has some pretty horrible PTSD from stuff like that, but it does happen.[/QUOTE] SEE!! PROOF THAT ALL US TROOPS ARE WARPED MURDERERS!!1