Royal Marine says he only shot an injured Afghan insurgent because he thought they were already dead - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42705610]well honestly they stopped talking to you because you are a bit warped[/QUOTE] A bit?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705553]I'm saying you have this weird pretense that you're the good guys and they're the evil bad guys lmao its such a strange simplification thats only there to make it easier for you to kill teenagers resisting foreign invaders.[/QUOTE] My mentality is that when we are out there, our absolute first priority is to make sure that the ground guys come back without any people dead, at any cost necessary. If people shoot at them, expect the shooters to be wasted with whatever we have at our disposal to get rid of the danger to them. That's what my unit's mission is, on top of providing eyes-on scouting and info to the ground guys.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705626]Surprisingly, this happens. One of my buddies was an infantryman a few years ago, and was stacked up outside of a house to do a night raid on a weapons cache. He is the pointman, and kicks down the door to be greeted by the sight of three children in the middle of the room. He hesitates for a moment, until they all pick up rifles and one of them shoots a two round burst into the doorframe beside his head. All three children, regrettable as it were, were an immediate threat to his life and that of all the other people that were behind him, so he killed them. Then the mother comes downstairs, a bomb vest on and a trigger in her hand. He shot her too before she could blow the hell out of everyone. They secured the father, and found a metric shitton of weapons and bomb making materials on the property. It's a fucked up situation to be sure, and he has some pretty horrible PTSD from stuff like that, but it does happen.[/QUOTE] I like how the very government you're trying to prop up said you destroy the lives of innocent civilians

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705646]SEE!! PROOF THAT ALL US TROOPS ARE WARPED MURDERERS!!1[/QUOTE] no one's denying screwed up things that happen but most people that have actually been there that I've talked to generally don't enjoy killing

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42705606]Oh my days. You actually just made me use that fucking phrase, only the most astonished of London decent use that phrase. "Survival instinct". Wow. Yeah, a lot of survival needed when you're part of one of the best equipped militaries in the world, able to blow fuckers away without moving your ass thanks to technologies they wish they had. The only person I've seen here straight up call infantry, or military members in general, murderers is yawnmen and he's crazy as fuck sometimes in the total opposite of your crazy. Most people here get that it's a job that needs doing, someone out there fighting for the interests of your country. But defending the actions of this guy? And saying you'd be "satisfied" taking a human life is fucking psychopathic, thank fuck you never did deploy, I expect we'd be reading articles about you using dead enemy combatants as target practice in your downtime. Think I'm retarded all you want, at least I seem to value human lives to a much greater extent than you do. People don't need to be cut out for the infantry, shit, if it weren't for the fact countries like to fight an abolition of infantry would be a bad idea.[/QUOTE] Bro, I volunteer at a needle exchange/outreach program on the northwest corner of Central and Tennessee Ave. in Albuquerque, New Mexico during the week. Don't even pull that "you dont value human life" shit with me.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705658]My mentality is that when we are out there, our absolute first priority is to make sure that the ground guys come back without any people dead, at any cost necessary. If people shoot at them, expect the shooters to be wasted with whatever we have at our disposal to get rid of the danger to them. That's what my unit's mission is, on top of providing eyes-on scouting and info to the ground guys.[/QUOTE] i really don't care what inane shit you got to tell me about your military experiences its not a counter argument [editline]31st October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705669]Bro, I volunteer at a needle exchange/outreach program on central avenue in Albuquerque, New Mexico during the week. Don't even pull that "you dont value human life" shit with me.[/QUOTE] You just don't value foreign people

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705676]i really don't care what inane shit you got to tell me about your military experiences its not a counter argument[/QUOTE] "I'm ignoring what you have to say because it doesn't fit within my entrenched beliefs and world views"

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705669]Bro, I volunteer at a needle exchange/outreach program on the northwest corner of Central and Tennessee Ave. in Albuquerque, New Mexico during the week. Don't even pull that "you dont value human life" shit with me.[/QUOTE] uh oh

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705676]i really don't care what inane shit you got to tell me about your military experiences its not a counter argument [editline]31st October 2013[/editline] You just don't value foreign people[/QUOTE] I don't value anyone who is trying to end my life. That's just my policy.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705708]"I'm ignoring what you have to say because it doesn't fit within my entrenched beliefs and world views"[/QUOTE] How is "its my job to make sure my MLP battle buddies come back" any response to what you quoted. I wasn't inviting you to masturbate over your simplified life experiences.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705676]You just don't value foreign people[/QUOTE] I just thought of a fun game, guess Savyetski79's motto! I'm going for "if it's brown, shoot it down".

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705708]"I'm ignoring what you have to say because it doesn't fit within my entrenched beliefs and world views"[/QUOTE] no, because your personal experience is completely anecdotal and doesn't fit in this argument unless you are that royal marine or one of his military buddies.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42705727]I just thought of a fun game, guess Savyetski79's motto! I'm going for "if it's brown, shoot it down".[/QUOTE] I lol'd quite a bit at that. Mainly because it's a complete crock of shit, though.

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705759]I lol'd quite a bit at that. Mainly because it's a complete crock of shit.[/QUOTE] Finally seeing it from our perspective it seems :v:

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705719]How is "its my job to make sure my MLP battle buddies come back" any response to what you quoted. I wasn't inviting you to masturbate over your simplified life experiences.[/QUOTE] Because you were basically doing a "mind reading" on me, and saying that I had views that I didn't necessarily hold. I then posted what I believe, and you dismiss them.

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705177]Is the satisfaction of killing a man who fired live ordnance in your direction only seconds earlier psychotic to you too? Because that's what it literally comes down to. Sgt. Micheal Cable, a friend of mine when I was a new joe was stabbed in the throat and killed by an enemy combatant on this last deployment. The combatant was a child who gained his trust and then ended his life in front of my entire company. I know it was just a kid, but would loading a burst of gunfire into that kid, after he just killed your buddy be psychotic to you too? If it is, you're a bit more blind and status quo than I thought.[/QUOTE] and let me guess if you saw an insurgent execute a wounded American soldier, you'd call it fucked up? because essentially you'd be doing the exact same thing

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42705758]no, because your personal experience is completely anecdotal and doesn't fit in this argument unless you are that royal marine or one of his military buddies.[/QUOTE] So then why are you responding here? Are you the royal marine or one of his military buddies?

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705786]Because you were basically doing a "mind reading" on me, and saying that I had views that I didn't necessarily hold. I then posted what I believe, and you dismiss them.[/QUOTE] But you literally said straight up that you're the good guys and they're the butchering baddies so everything is okay. Again I wasn't asking you to tell me about your shallow experiences as a helicopter repair man. No one does SKEA, no one. So maybe people of this forum hope that one day you will stop sharing them.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705792]So then why are you responding here? Are you the royal marine or one of his military buddies?[/QUOTE] no, i'm a fat nerd on an internet forum arguing with people. who i or what i am isn't relevant to my argument at all.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42705776]Finally seeing it from our perspective it seems :v:[/QUOTE] In the sense that I can see how your perspective of me would be so warped...mainly due to the fact that you like to demonize anyone who was in the military and says it like it is. It's so funny because you people see me and go, "Oh my gawd savyetski79 wouldve randomly murdered so many children in country!!1!" If you guys spent 2 hours in my old company and heard some of the things my LEADERSHIP would say, you'd be standing outside the white house with signs screaming, "BOYCOTT THE ARMY!!" with a service truck full of tampax and kool-aid right beside you.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705797]But you literally said straight up that you're the good guys and their the butchering baddies so everything is okay. Again I wasn't asking you to tell me about your shallow experiences as a helicopter repair man. No one does SKEA, no one. So maybe people of this forum hope that one day you will stop sharing them.[/QUOTE] I never once said "We are the good guys." What I did say is that when insurgents do all of this horrible shit, I can't bring myself to care for them when a royal marine shoots a wounded one dead.

[QUOTE=Araknid;42705790]and let me guess if you saw an insurgent execute a wounded American soldier, you'd call it fucked up? [/QUOTE] Nope. I'd EXPECT an insurgent to do that as he is merely trying to fight off a force much more powerful than his own in his own country. That doesn't mean I wouldn't feel good about popping him in the face.

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705824]In the sense that I can see how your perspective of me would be so warped...mainly due to the fact that you like to demonize anyone who was in the military and says it like it is. It's so funny because you people see me and go, "Oh my gawd savyetski79 wouldve randomly murdered so many children in country!!1!" If you guys spent 2 hours in my old company and heard some of the things my LEADERSHIP would say, you'd be standing outside the white house with signs screaming, "BOYCOTT THE ARMY!!" with a service truck full of tampax and kool-aid right beside you.[/QUOTE] I know a few officers, one of them being a brother. they would hate you

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705834]I never once said "We are the good guys." What I did say is that when insurgents do all of this horrible shit, I can't bring myself to care for them when a royal marine shoots a wounded one dead.[/QUOTE] But you're implying that you guys don't do horrible shit why should i care next time one of your helicopters crashes

If the same shit was happening in the US or some other western country, all of you people half defending the invasion and straight up execution of unarmed incapacated combatants would be fucking outraged. Take a moment to put yourself in the shoes of a fighter who loses a majority of his family from a fucking apache attack, and tell me that you wouldn't grab a weapon and head to the nearest rebel group to join them. It's shocking to see that people are so absorbed in their patriotic shit that they can't even understand whats happening on the other side of the war.

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705838]Nope. I'd EXPECT an insurgent to do that as he is merely trying to fight off a force much more powerful than his own in his own country. That doesn't mean I wouldn't feel good about popping him in the face.[/QUOTE] so just out of curiosity, have you ever actually shot and killed anyone, or do you just fantasize about how good it'd feel? i genuinely want to know

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42705824]with a service truck full of tampax and kool-aid right beside you.[/QUOTE] So, like. You are a comedy act then? Because I'm not getting the jokes here, either you're an awful comedian or this is a psychology experiment into the effects of posting hilarious unfunny shit on Internet forums.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42705858]But you're implying that you guys don't do horrible shit why should i care next time one of your helicopters crashes[/QUOTE] I don't expect you to care at all. It's one of MY helicopters, so I really don't expect any people outside of our unit or the families of the pilots to care.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;42705896]I don't expect you to care at all. It's one of MY helicopters, so I really don't expect any people outside of our unit or the families of the pilots to care.[/QUOTE] Again you don't understand what is being said and think its an invitation to talk about your personal shit that no one cares about ~MY HELICOPTERS~ lmao this logic of oh well they do bad things so no one should cares what happens to them, if true extends over allied forces as well.

[QUOTE=Araknid;42705863]If the same shit was happening in the US or some other western country, all of you people half defending the invasion and straight up execution of unarmed incapacated combatants would be fucking outraged. Take a moment to put yourself in the shoes of a fighter who loses a majority of his family from a fucking apache attack, and tell me that you wouldn't grab a weapon and head to the nearest rebel group to join them. It's shocking to see that people are so absorbed in their patriotic shit that they can't even understand whats happening on the other side of the war.[/QUOTE] I really don't care to put myself in the shoes of a fighter, because I would be dead very shortly afterwards. All I care about is the safety of the ground guys, and if someone shoots at them, they are going to wish very shortly that they didn't when .50 cal comes raining on their heads. One of the units that we were supporting came back with 0 people killed, so I consider that an A+ in my book. We really should have gotten out of there much sooner, but as long as there are boots on the ground, their lives take precedence over those that would seek to kill them, regardless of geopolitical circumstances. It's shitty, and I would much prefer that everyone was safe at home, but that's the way it is for those on the ground. Kill or be killed.