IDF Releases Photos of 'Weapons'(A.K.A. Common Items) From Raided Freedom Flotilla Ship - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22306240]Maybe if your government weren't keeping an illegal blockade in international water while sending military ships to intervene dangerous wheelchairs 10 people wouldn't have died?[/QUOTE] Because im clearly an israeli, and a jew, being in the UK and all. As an outside observer, its obvious this was done simply to get israel to respond in an aggressive way. It wasnt about aid at all. [editline]07:44PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;22306324]Yeah, they voted in the one group of people who promised to save them from the tyranny of the Israelis. I would have too.[/QUOTE] You deserved to get bulldozed in your home then. Instead you should have voted for someone who would have done that through diplomatic means, rather than suicide bombers.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306319]This is a matter of opinion, because its still not accepted it was 'illegal' for other reasons. I wont say either you or i are wrong, since nobody hear is a master at naval law, and it is more complicated than simply shouting 'international waters'. Instead, maybe you should answer me why this flotilla denied to unload its goods legally in port, submit to checks and then be allowed to transfer its cargo by land? Oh thats right, they wanted someone to get shot to create this storm in a teacup.[/QUOTE] Actually I am quite experienced in legalities and I can tell you, it was illegal according to maritime law, dunno what the fuck naval law is though.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306340]Because im clearly an israeli, and a jew, being in the UK and all. As an outside observer, its obvious this was done simply to get israel to respond in an aggressive way. It wasnt about aid at all. [editline]07:44PM[/editline] You deserved to get bulldozed in your home then. Instead you should have voted for someone who would have done that through diplomatic means, [B]rather than suicide bombers.[/B][/QUOTE] Stop being a stereotypical ass.

[QUOTE=Sickle;22306382]Stop being a stereotypical ass.[/QUOTE] This doesnt address what ive said. None of your posts do. 1) Was this really about aid or making a statement that was obviously going to get people injured? 2) Supporting an organisation that uses violence to promote peace? Saying 'because israel uses bombs, lul' does not count. Address them. The flotilla captains were totally fucking irresponsible. Anyone with half a brain cell knew this was going to occur weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306404]This doesnt address what ive said.[/QUOTE] Yes it does, but only part of it. Get a damn dictionary.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306340] You deserved to get bulldozed in your home then. Instead you should have voted for someone who would have done that through diplomatic means, rather than suicide bombers.[/QUOTE] No he doesn't. The people of Gaza have been living in intolerable conditions, were permanently ruined, displaced and lacked a national identity thanks to Israel. When a party vows to seek revenge for these atrocities, they'd be voted for - I'd vote for them too.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306340]You deserved to get bulldozed in your home then. Instead you should have voted for someone who would have done that through diplomatic means, rather than suicide bombers.[/QUOTE] Hahaha Cease posting immediately by order of the IDF

I'd also like to advise everyone to check this out: [url]http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1960558,00.html[/url] Really informative.

Israel initiated a 'legal' land grab with support from either NATO or the UN, I can't remember, but anyway; they basically fucked over palestine.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22306443]Hahaha Cease posting immediately by order of the IDF[/QUOTE] Pretty much. Cant say much when bulldozed in your own home. Israel isnt going to disappear, the quickest way for palestinians to get their 'identity' back is to accept a peace deal with israel and stop throwing bombs. Otherwise, theyll just lose more. They seek to gain more by diplomatic means than throwing bombs over the wall. Regardless of whatever has happened in the past, dropping all the accumulated baggage on both sides is the only way to a peaceful solution. This wont happen until hamas is removed. Israel was granted that land legally, yes. Therefore it is now their land, and they have a right to it now, regardless of opinions. Trying to win the land back and denying israels right to exist will get you bombed, its that simple.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22299225]And any person who is under attack can use lethal weapons against people who threaten his lives.[/QUOTE] You seem to have got confused so I'll correct you. Any person under attack, can in self defence use [b]reasonable force[/b] to subdue the assailant. In very extreme cases when many lives are in great danger, lethal force is acceptable, although reasonable force is preferred. :downs: Every damned thread, you blindly ignore evidence and do anything it takes to keep your view intact and unharmed. Sounds reminiscent of Zionism.

[QUOTE=bravehat;22306462]You seem to have got confused so I'll correct you. Any person under attack, can in self defence use [b]reasonable force[/b] to subdue the assailant. In very extreme cases when many lives are in great danger, lethal force is acceptable, although reasonable force is preferred. :downs: [B]Every damned thread, you blindly ignore evidence and do anything it takes to keep your view intact and unharmed. Sounds reminiscent of Zionism.[/B][/QUOTE] I love that sentence right there. Should become a fucking motto or something.

[QUOTE=Sickle;22306450]Israel initiated a 'legal' land grab with support from either NATO or the UN, I can't remember, but anyway; they basically fucked over palestine.[/QUOTE] The wars in the 60's and 70's were illegal if I remember correctly. Not like the UN would do anything though what being americas bitch and all that.

[QUOTE=Sickle;22306517]I love that sentence right there. Should become a fucking motto or something.[/QUOTE] I dont deny im a zionist. I believe israel has a right to exist, and that it has the right to defend that right. As soon as the palestinians recognise the above officially, the way forward to peaceful coexistence can be opened. Any solution ending in the dissolution or destruction of israel is pure fantasy that will not come to pass, or without a massive regional war.

[QUOTE=bravehat;22306576]The wars in the 60's and 70's were illegal if I remember correctly. Not like the UN would do anything though what being americas bitch and all that.[/QUOTE] Oh, okay. Still a dick thing to do on Israel's part. What with raping an entire country.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306592]I dont deny im a zionist. I believe israel has a right to exist, and that it has the right to defend that right.[/QUOTE] You said you were simply an 'observer'.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306592] Any solution ending in the dissolution or destruction of israel is pure fantasy that will not come to pass, or without a massive regional war.[/QUOTE] Very few people want that In fact, I'd like to see Israel actively fighting Hammas. But they don't need to breach international human rights laws to do so.

[QUOTE=Sickle;22306609]Oh, okay. Still a dick thing to do on Israel's part. What with raping an entire country.[/QUOTE] They didnt rape it. They got the worst part of the land, actually. Also, this has nothing to do with the current crisis. Allowing bad history to continue to influence future decisions just allows for more hate and the increase in death. The past needs to be forgotten, just as how the IRA put aside their weapons and joined the political process. [editline]08:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=starpluck;22306634]You said you were simply an 'observer'.[/QUOTE] An observer with an opinion. I never stated i was, disinterested. Can someone please answer the flotilla question? Why did they go ahead with trying to break the blockade when they were offered to have their aid transported into the west bank? Why dont they accept that fighting the israelis with fire is not the way forward? It just gets people killed. Accept that reality, and ignore the discussion, for one second, and give me an honest answer please.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306592]I dont deny im a zionist. I believe israel has a right to exist, and that it has the right to defend that right. As soon as the palestinians recognise the above officially, the way forward to peaceful coexistence can be opened. Any solution ending in the dissolution or destruction of israel is pure fantasy that will not come to pass, or without a massive regional war.[/QUOTE] Actually Israel doesn't have the right to exist. They were originally given land that wasn't theirs to receive, then started two illegal wars to double that land, then proceeded to pimp slap the surrounding locals, destroying crops and shit they harvest to make a living, things that drew the community together. Now allow me to find a single image that describes the issue. [img]http://winkingwalnut.com/images2008/gazaprotest.jpg[/img]

So why were the crew trying to beat the hell out of the military who were boarding their boat?

[QUOTE=evilweazel;22306734]So why were the crew trying to beat the hell out of the military who were boarding their boat?[/QUOTE] They were defending their boat from pirates.

[QUOTE=bravehat;22306706]Actually Israel doesn't have the right to exist. They were originally given land that wasn't theirs to receive, then started two illegal wars to double that land, then proceeded to pimp slap the surrounding locals, destroying crops and shit they harvest to make a living, things that drew the community together. Now allow me to find a single image that describes the issue. [/QUOTE] It was theirs to recieve. The owners of the land, gave them the land. That seems how a deal is done to me, no? It was legally given, im afraid. Its now theirs, and ergo, they have a right to live there. They no longer have claim to it. They have a right to exist just as any other country does not - denying that will just lead to more bloodshed for the palestinians. THAT is a fight they cannot win. They can however, get a more open border, peace and prosperity if they stop fighting back. Also that man was a idiot for firing a rocket back. All he did was give israeli civilians more reason to back further military action, continuing the circle.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;22306734]So why were the crew trying to beat the hell out of the military who were boarding their boat?[/QUOTE] Piracy.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306794][B]It was theirs to recieve. The owners of the land, gave them the land. That seems how a deal is done to me, no? It was legally given, im afraid. Its now theirs, and ergo, they have a right to live there.[/B] They no longer have claim to it. They have a right to exist just as any other country does not - denying that will just lead to more bloodshed for the palestinians. THAT is a fight they cannot win. They can however, get a more open border, peace and prosperity if they stop fighting back. Also that man was a idiot for firing a rocket back. All he did was give israeli civilians more reason to back further military action.[/QUOTE] No, NATO/UN gave it to Israel.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306794]They can however, get a more open border, peace and prosperity if they stop fighting back.[/QUOTE] Why the hell should they be expected to submit to a tyrant

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306794]It was theirs to recieve. The owners of the land, gave them the land. That seems how a deal is done to me, no? It was legally given, im afraid. Its now theirs, and ergo, they have a right to live there. They no longer have claim to it. They have a right to exist just as any other country does not - denying that will just lead to more bloodshed for the palestinians. THAT is a fight they cannot win. They can however, get a more open border, peace and prosperity if they stop fighting back. Also that man was a idiot for firing a rocket back. All he did was give israeli civilians more reason to back further military action.[/QUOTE] Yeah and britian stole that land from someone else. It was not the place of britian to just give that land away and say to the locals "by the way, we're gonna have to ask you to pack your shit up and fuck off."

[QUOTE=starpluck;22306820]Piracy.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. They fought to make a statement, and got shot for it. Its lucky (or unlucky!) the israelis didnt wait and sink the boat once it had passed the blockade. They violated a blockade, and got bitchslapped for it. They were warned, decided to go ahead to cause controversy, and as a result, got some of their people killed. The captains are responsible for not taking israels offer.

I propose we start calling the blockade "unlawful arbitrary point", because that's what it is.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306651]They didnt rape it. They got the worst part of the land, actually. Also, this has nothing to do with the current crisis. Allowing bad history to continue to influence future decisions just allows for more hate and the increase in death. The past needs to be forgotten, just as how the IRA put aside their weapons and joined the political process. [editline]08:01PM[/editline] An observer with an opinion. I never stated i was, disinterested. Can someone please answer the flotilla question? Why did they go ahead with trying to break the blockade when they were offered to have their aid transported into the west bank? Why dont they accept that fighting the israelis with fire is not the way forward? It just gets people killed. Accept that reality, and ignore the discussion, for one second, and give me an honest answer please.[/QUOTE] The 'worst' part of land is still land, and it's still rape. That 'worst' part of the land could be used to sustain many cities, and now Israel has stolen it from it's 'owners', thus Israel doesn't have the right to exist.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;22306794]It was theirs to recieve. The owners of the land, gave them the land. That seems how a deal is done to me, no? It was legally given, im afraid. Its now theirs, and ergo, they have a right to live there. They no longer have claim to it. They have a right to exist just as any other country does not - denying that will just lead to more bloodshed for the palestinians. THAT is a fight they cannot win. They can however, get a more open border, peace and prosperity if they stop fighting back. Also that man was a idiot for firing a rocket back. All he did was give israeli civilians more reason to back further military action.[/QUOTE] And really, you want them to stop fighting back. Fucking cowardice that is, people rarely bend over to take a tyrant up their arse.