IDF Releases Photos of 'Weapons'(A.K.A. Common Items) From Raided Freedom Flotilla Ship - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Soda;22308813]yeah see: you have literally no argument or debate skills gg[/QUOTE] gg gg gg.

[QUOTE=Soda;22308813]yeah see: you have literally no argument or debate skills gg[/QUOTE] Hahahahaha that's fucking hilarious. Fucking A+ Sickle, you were debating with a 5 year old.

[QUOTE=Jund;22308851]Hahahahaha that's fucking hilarious. Fucking A+ Sickle, you were debating with a 5 year old.[/QUOTE] I know, shit is crazy.

[QUOTE=Soda;22308273]Hello! Welcome to being entirely and utterly wrong! I own a fucking boat. Registered for deep sea fishing etc in the state of Florida. Thinking any regular boat would carry FIREWORKS as a flare is simply incorrect. That is simply not done by ANY BOAT ANYWHERE. Actually, in the US, I think a permit might be required to carry/use fireworks on a boat? Flares are VERY DIFFERENT from fireworks. Gather around kids, let me explain how a FLARE works as opposed to FIREWORKS: The majority of flares produced for aquatic usage are WATERPROOF. Want to know another trick they have built into them? A LIGHTING MECHANISM. Now FIREWORKS on the other hand DO NOT HAVE A LIGHTING MECHANISM. They cannot be used instantaneously and require an OUTSIDE SOURCE of heat. On top of that, they are manufactured from cheap paper and powder! Guess what would happen when you try to light a wet firework! NOTHING. Fireworks are utterly useless as a maritime emergency flare, and anyone with any sense would realize this. Yes, if you would take off your liberal bias glasses for a second, you'd see those ARE INDEED FIREWORKS. Not flares of any type at all. Vessels headed for peace don't carry fireworks into a blockade. Pretty much end of story there.[/QUOTE] Not everyone has access to actual flares. You can tell that's not a fancy ship, and if you gotta have flares, but you don't have the money for some you gotta improvise. Besides, what's illegal in having fireworks on a ship, specifically, one that behaves roughly the same than a flare only that it is cheaper? We're talking about international waters here, too. I'd like to know what in the world can a torch do to a heavily armored soldier. On the video you can't see the activists use them against them anyway. A hammer can be used for hammering and for murder, doesn't make hammers illegal. And so what if they had fucking fireworks? Do you immediately shoot at someone who possesses fireworks instead of flares? [QUOTE=Soda;22308273] The other garbage people have posted in this thread is ridiculous. The gaza blockade illegal? That's highly disputed. So, assuming it is legal, as from Israel's point of view, they had every right to intercept that ship before it even entered their territory. Some of you don't seem to realize that the ship was contacted before it was raided, was offered a way to deliver the supplies, and it refused saying they will head on to gaza specifically. Spoilers: breaking a blockade is a hostile military action. Israel had every right to detain the entire ship. When it returned fire they had every right to destroy the target. Arguing over who shot first is completely irrelevant when the "humanitarian aid vessel" should have surrendered to a search and rerouting. Non-compliance is what pretty much counted as them "firing first."[/QUOTE] The Gaza blockade hasn't been recognized by any state, except the US and Egypt. Ban Ki Moon and the Human Rights committee of the UN are all against it. 3 states don't represent the will of 198. I would say the total contrary, it's legality is what is highly disputed. Right, then, let's play it saying that it is a "legal" blockade ( Notice how you didn't make the "illegal" viewpoint ). Your view is pretty fucking sadistic. So the guys didn't reply to your demands of you turning back to their respective countries even though you're invading another one, and you plan on destroying the ship and sacrificing lives just due to that? No interception attempts, no arrests, no anything? Not only you're recognizing the ship as a humanitarian aid vessel, whose crew is entirely composed of civilians, and not denounced criminals by any country, but you're insisting that they didn't have any weapons which could have lethally harmed IDF commandos? Hell, you're kind of winning the argument against yourself. Oh, and on top of that. The Gaza border is explicitly blocked by the IDF for everything [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7545636.stm]"except humanitarian aid"[/url]. The IDF should have asked for a callsign, should have contacted the ship first, and before going commando, should have stopped for one fucking second. [QUOTE=Soda;22308273]Saying the IDF covered it up and Israel is some evil propaganda powerhouse is insane. If you think the IDF is going to release any footage that would make them look bad, it's common sense that they would not. With the huge amount of brainwashed childes abound of course they wouldn't release anything that could be construed as them doing the harm. It'd simply send people into a bigger uproar as they completely ignore the circumstances of their actions(see: this entire thread). There's a reason that civillian chopper gunning the US did was not willingly released, because it caused the huge shitstorm it did.[/QUOTE] And on top of that you claim that their forceful censoring and jamming of any other attempt to show the other side of the story is justified by the simple fact it would cause a "shitstorm"? Nobody here is brainwashed. They're just getting the facts straight. Israel has repeatedly invaded and conquered areas far beyond what the UN recognizes them to have. The Israel government is responsible for genocide, for attempting to destroy Palestine and it's people, for using illicit weapons, excessive force, things all covered in the Rome statute. I just hope the UN grows some fucking balls and finally punishes Israel for it's actions.

A+ Post.

[QUOTE=Jund;22308851]Hahahahaha that's fucking hilarious. Fucking A+ Sickle, you were debating with a 5 year old.[/QUOTE] great argument man "we can't prove this guy wrong so we're just going to have a circle of facepunch users who all believe the blockade is somewhere in the middle of the ocean disagree and post strawman arguments" yeah really the comment about the gaza blockade being in international waters is ridiculous and irrelevant and it'd be nice to know where you're getting your information from because the fact that they voiced their intention to breach the blockade was the deciding factor in them being seized regardless of location

[QUOTE=Soda;22308968]great argument man [B]"we can't prove this guy wrong so we're just going to have a circle of facepunch users who all believe the blockade is somewhere in the middle of the ocean disagree and post strawman arguments"[/B] yeah really the comment about the gaza blockade being in international waters is ridiculous and irrelevant and it'd be nice to know where you're getting your information from because the fact that they voiced their intention to breach the blockade was the deciding factor in them being seized regardless of location[/QUOTE] You just implied the same tactic on me a few posts ago when you refused to read the pages. Except it wasn't a circle. It was you in a corner somewhere.

Israel is really just getting petty now.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;22308900] Nobody here is brainwashed. They're just getting the facts straight. Israel has repeatedly invaded and conquered areas far beyond what the UN recognizes them to have. The Israel government is responsible for genocide, for attempting to destroy Palestine and it's people, for using illicit weapons, excessive force, things all covered in the Rome statute. I just hope the UN grows some fucking balls and finally punishes Israel for it's actions.[/QUOTE] Thats gonna take some time, considering they created the problem by giving the land to the palestinians.

Which they took away in the first place.

You know what Israel could have done? They could have told the people on board that they were boarding the ships, went on, checked the supplies, transferred the approved ones on land and sent the ship back on its merry way. There. No one got hurt, the supplies got through and nothing that can be dangerous to Israel would get past the blockade. But did Israel do this? No. Dumb fucks. If I could think of this in a few seconds, then anyone else in Israel could have thought of this as well. They just decided not to do it this way. [editline]08:33PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Soda;22308968]great argument man "we can't prove this guy wrong so we're just going to have a circle of facepunch users who all believe the blockade is somewhere in the middle of the ocean disagree and post strawman arguments" yeah really the comment about the gaza blockade being in international waters is ridiculous and irrelevant and it'd be nice to know where you're getting your information from because the fact that they voiced their intention to breach the blockade was the deciding factor in them being seized regardless of location[/QUOTE] Did I ever say it was in international waters? No I did not. I was commenting on your poor debating skills. Taking cheap jabs at the other person? "gg"? Are you kidding me?

[QUOTE=Jund;22309095]You know what Israel could have done? They could have told the people on board that they were boarding the ships, went on, checked the supplies, transferred the approved ones on land and sent the ship back on its merry way. There. No one got hurt, the supplies got through and nothing that can be dangerous to Israel would get past the blockade. But did Israel do this? No. Dumb fucks. If I could think of this in a few seconds, then anyone else in Israel could have thought of this as well. They just decided not to do it this way. [editline]08:33PM[/editline] Did I ever say it was in international waters? No I did not. I was commenting on your poor debating skills. Taking cheap jabs at the other person? "gg"? Are you kidding me?[/QUOTE] you actually think that would have worked ?

[QUOTE=Big Bang;22308900]Not everyone has access to actual flares. You can tell that's not a fancy ship, and if you gotta have flares, but you don't have the money for some you gotta improvise. [/QUOTE] They've got $10000 in camera equipment sitting on the ground. They can afford flares. [quote] Besides, what's illegal in having fireworks on a ship, specifically, one that behaves roughly the same than a flare only that it is cheaper? We're talking about international waters here, too. [/quote]I highlighted that tidbit of information about firework usage on ships to illustrate the divide between what is a flare and a firework. context. [quote] I'd like to know what in the world can a torch do to a heavily armored soldier. On the video you can't see the activists use them against them anyway. A hammer can be used for hammering and for murder, doesn't make hammers illegal. [/quote]You can see flash devices and other various items being thrown to simply fuck with the nightvision of the helicopter. The flares may have been used, and simply not in the few videos released. But the hammer statement really is true about those poles on the ship. [quote] And so what if they had fucking fireworks? Do you immediately shoot at someone who possesses fireworks instead of flares? [/quote]yeah when they're lighting them off to blind your air support's nightvision you sure do [quote] The Gaza blockade hasn't been recognized by any state, except the US and Egypt. Ban Ki Moon and the Human Rights committee of the UN are all against it. 3 states don't represent the will of 198. I would say the total contrary, it's legality is what is highly disputed. [/quote]cool thanks for agreeing because that is exactly what I said, its legality is highly disputed [quote] Right, then, let's play it saying that it is a "legal" blockade ( Notice how you didn't make the "illegal" viewpoint ). So the guys didn't reply to your demands of you turning back to their respective countries even though you're invading another one, and you plan on destroying the ship and sacrificing lives just due to that? No interception attempts, no arrests, no anything? [/quote][quote]Your view is pretty fucking sadistic. [/quote]great argument [quote]So the guys didn't reply to your demands of you turning back to their respective countries even though you're invading another one, and you plan on destroying the ship and sacrificing lives just due to that? No interception attempts, no arrests, no anything?[/quote]this wasn't the situation at all. they were told to turn to another port to reroute the supplies, which every other aid vessel has done. what are you even talking about? [quote]Not only you're recognizing the ship as a humanitarian aid vessel, whose crew is entirely composed of civilians, and not denounced criminals by any country, but you're insisting that they didn't have any weapons which could have lethally harmed IDF commandos? [/quote]uh yes they had plenty of weapons that could have lethally harmed the soldiers, from poles to axeheads to knives, along with a mob of people to use them sorry have you read anything thusfar?? that is sort of an established fact [quote] Hell, you're kind of winning the argument against yourself.[/quote]another sign of a great argument [quote] And on top of that you claim that their forceful censoring and jamming of any other attempt to show the other side of the story is justified by the simple fact it would cause a "shitstorm"? [/quote]yeah pretty much it's standard operating procedure not to make yourself look bad [quote] Israel has repeatedly invaded and conquered areas far beyond what the UN recognizes them to have. The Israel government is responsible for genocide, for attempting to destroy Palestine and it's people, for using illicit weapons, excessive force, things all covered in the Rome statute. I just hope the UN grows some fucking balls and finally punishes Israel for it's actions.[/quote]this is a valid point. you should have just posted this and it'd be a nice but irrelevant argument.

[QUOTE=Cuel;22309161]you actually think that would have worked ?[/QUOTE] Yes.

[QUOTE=Sickle;22309057]Which they took away in the first place.[/QUOTE] Some lands are sold to Israel. Israel takes the lands than Palestine takes it back and so on and forth. Both sides are wrong, its just a question of who is wrongest. Only right side is the innocant people caught between the sides, no supplies to re build the destroyed city. Nothing. [editline]11:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cuel;22309161]you actually think that would have worked ?[/QUOTE] Hell yes. The ships were checked by Turkish military anyway.. A little trust.. please.

[QUOTE=Cuel;22309161]you actually think that would have worked ?[/QUOTE] And how would it not work? Israel would be happy. The Freedom Flotilla would be happy. Everyone's happy. Oh yeah, of course it wouldn't work. It's Israel. Silly me.

OW!, That slingshot is piercing my Level III kevlar!

[QUOTE=Soda;22309215]They've got $10000 in camera equipment sitting on the ground. They can afford flares. I highlighted that tidbit of information about firework usage on ships to illustrate the divide between what is a flare and a firework. context. [B]You can see flash devices and other various items being thrown to simply fuck with the nightvision of the helicopter. The flares may have been used, and simply not in the few videos released. But the hammer statement really is true about those poles on the ship.[/B] yeah when they're lighting them off to blind your air support's nightvision you sure do cool thanks for agreeing because that is exactly what I said, its legality is highly disputed great argument this wasn't the situation at all. they were told to turn to another port to reroute the supplies, which every other aid vessel has done. what are you even talking about? uh yes they had plenty of weapons that could have lethally harmed the soldiers, from poles to axeheads to knives, along with a mob of people to use them sorry have you read anything thusfar?? that is sort of an established fact another sign of a great argument yeah pretty much it's standard operating procedure not to make yourself look bad this is a valid point. you should have just posted this and it'd be a nice but irrelevant argument.[/QUOTE] You're bullshitting yourself. The NV was from a small Israeli boat.

[QUOTE=Soda;22309215] uh yes they had plenty of weapons that could have lethally harmed the soldiers, from poles to axeheads to knives, along with a mob of people to use them sorry have you read anything thusfar?? that is sort of an established fact [/QUOTE] Do you have any idea how much use an axe has on a ship ? And knives ? There were 10 knives, correct ? They are probably from the kitchen and used for when they cought fish and such.

[QUOTE=Jund;22309265]And how would it not work? Israel would be happy. The Freedom Flotilla would be happy. Everyone's happy. Oh yeah, of course it wouldn't work. It's Israel. Silly me.[/QUOTE] we can only speculate, i doubt it tho. both from isreal and the ship

[quote]The IDF should have asked for a callsign, should have contacted the ship first, and before going commando, should have stopped for one fucking second[/quote]btw you people seem to think they didn't do this and just went on and boarded without warning that's funny [quote]Do you have any idea how much use an axe has on a ship ? And knives ? There were 10 knives, correct ? They are probably from the kitchen and used for when they cought fish and such.[/quote]uh yeah you can cut someone with it kevlar isn't a full body deal fyi [quote]You're bullshitting yourself. The NV was from a small Israeli boat.[/quote]yup because it was a flying boat that recorded that video i can see what you mean now literally what are you talking about the helicopters are equipped with NV

[QUOTE=Zarfa;22309341]Do you have any idea how much use an axe has on a ship ? And knives ? There were 10 knives, correct ? They are probably from the kitchen and used for when they cought fish and such.[/QUOTE] And this fishing pole may appear to be a fishing pole, but if you look closer it is in fact a fully automatic AK-47.

[QUOTE=Soda;22309359]btw you people seem to think they didn't do this and just went on and boarded without warning that's funny uh yeah you can cut someone with it kevlar isn't a full body deal fyi yup because it was a flying boat that recorded that video i can see what you mean now literally what are you talking about the helicopters are equipped with NV[/QUOTE] You know, fyi, clothing is a full body deal, but does not stop bullets yes, :smile:

Why would ships have knives? Why would ships have flares? As a real ship owner, I should know that any REAL ship wouldn't have pussy things like knives or flares, only MEN and TESTOSTERONE.

[QUOTE=Soda;22309359]btw you people seem to think they didn't do this and just went on and boarded without warning that's funny uh yeah you can cut someone with it kevlar isn't a full body deal fyi yup because it was a flying boat that recorded that video i can see what you mean now literally what are you talking about the helicopters are equipped with NV[/QUOTE] Kevlar is stronger than steel and stops chainsaw blades spinning. Good luck getting a fucking axe through it.

[QUOTE=bravehat;22309509]Kevlar is stronger than steel and stops chainsaw blades spinning. Good luck getting a fucking axe through it.[/QUOTE] They are fucking commandos, they should be able to handle axes and such. They are trained. [editline]11:51PM[/editline] even without kevlar.

[QUOTE=bravehat;22309509]Kevlar is stronger than steel and stops chainsaw blades spinning. Good luck getting a fucking axe through it.[/QUOTE] yeah the point is you don't have a suit of kevlar armor covering every inch of your body and there are plenty of exposed potentially lethal targets to chop at with a knife or axe on someone wearing kevlar

Holy balls, look at all the metal pipes found on the top deck. And something irks me about those electrical saws. Not many reasons so many would be on a ship...did the activists know the Israelis were coming? I'm confused, this doesn't seem like the Israelis has the element of surprise, not even before the ship left dock. The flotilla was intending to provoke? But they were pretty far offshore, many claim in international waters. I wish I could get some official investigative reports on this matter.

[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;22309634]Holy balls, look at all the metal pipes found on the top deck. And something irks me about those electrical saws. Not many reasons so many would be on a ship...did the activists know the Israelis were coming? I'm confused, this doesn't seem like the Israelis has the element of surprise, not even before the ship left dock. The flotilla was intending to provoke? But they were pretty far offshore, many claim in international waters. I wish I could get some official investigative reports on this matter.[/QUOTE] they were in international waters. but guess what?? making your intentions clear that you are going to breach a blockade and dock at gaza gets you intercepted regardless of location

[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;22309634]Holy balls, look at all the metal pipes found on the top deck. And something irks me about those electrical saws. Not many reasons so many would be on a ship...did the activists know the Israelis were coming? I'm confused, this doesn't seem like the Israelis has the element of surprise, not even before the ship left dock. The flotilla was intending to provoke? But they were pretty far offshore, many claim in international waters. I wish I could get some official investigative reports on this matter.[/QUOTE] They were in international waters, and the israelis had the element of suprise, but they ruined it by firing at the ship..